I am not surprised that there isn't agreement. Possibly it is just a case of 'every camel thinks his/her pack is heaviest'.

Antihero was talking about finding a mate. Maybe i am mistaken here but i don't think that how well she is doing in school or her career is considered by most males. Hair removal i thought depend more on local norms though i don't recall any guy rejecting a female because she had neglected to shave her legs. I don't know how the willingness to be a wife and mother is harder to come by then the willingness to be a father and husband. Yes the definition of 'beauty' as perceived by all to many is unrealistic or at the very least, way to narrow. You are lucky in that you can fit within that narrow range but way to many of us both male and female, do not. Still that alone does not generally prohibit a female from having guys develop an interest in her.

I don't understand and it very well just may be my perception, from being inside looking out, that i am not seeing the other side as i should.

I think that men being unable to play apparent mind games as women can has something to do with many men being unable to attract modern women with any confidence. Particularly when men are always chewed out for being wrong by the popular press, just for being unable to interpret various cryptic clues.

http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/c...256&page=1

Women aren't the only ones to be pressured into conforming to synthetic 'standards'.

I can't claim to understand anything at all, though all I know is that in my parents and grandparents' day people met and fell in love and married and became accustomed to each other's differences as years rolled on. These days people seem to want a complete 'package' of perfectly crafted attractions, loaded with provisos, before even getting close. Things are far too complicated now I think.

This post was last modified: 05-15-2008 09:38 AM by copperation.

In reply to iwasaloverb4thiswar, I swear I am not the sexist bastard I probably came off as. We are in agreement on many things. Such as a male's physical appearance being mostly irrelevant or popular western society's encouragement of certain unrealistic standards (which many men do not actually pay any creed to, by the way. I guess it all depends with who and where you ask).

I am not saying that women do not have it hard, I'm just saying they have it hard for different reasons, such as perhaps finding someone to connect with on a emotional level. On the other hand, the task for most males is just finding someone in the first place to potentially develop something emotionally... if that makes any sense.

Well said.

For some reason, that sort of reminded me of this.
(If it doesn't go directly to the chapter, just click "Read an Excerpt.)

Edited for clarification

This post was last modified: 06-11-2008 09:31 AM by Antihero.