I hear you man (GHOSTNYOURMIST) I don't even have anyone to ask. I mean you do get pleasure out of giving ye kids there birthday presents and christmas and stuff like that. I don't think I well ever even know that. I do admire you there. But I Guss its them same ppl that are making you feel like this. For me its not any person making me feel like this as there is no one here to make me feel like this.

I don't know if its worst or not and its not about that anyway. Its about just feeling crap and alone for what ever reason. As scott said its not a competition.

You can feel alone anywhere. I have often felt alone out even when am with friends.

Sorry if I sounded mad. In 1 way or another we are all in the same boat. The last time I was out with friends was the summer of 2000.

Do you make an effort to relate to your wife and kid? Do YOU ask them "how was your day?"? You are the father, why don't you, I don't know, maybe plan a family outing, a night at the movies or maybe go out with your friends for old times shake?
You are not alone, yet you say you feel lonely... My point is that you shouldn't. You have a family to come home to. Make the best of it!

I guess that "alone" doesn't always equal "lonely"and "lonely" doesn't always require being alone. Maybe it's just a matter of definition.
But I do get angry at how ungrateful people can be. Yes, I admit it: I'm a bitter lonely woman, so shoot me! And take it from me, no matter how "lonely" you feel coming home to your uncaring wife/husband/partner etc, it doesn't even come close to the despair and terror of being ALONE.
No matter how rich, famous or successful one gets, it means nothing without someone to share it with. Universal truth.
If you have people around you, then you are not ALLOWED to be lonely! Your wife/husband or what ever? You were once in love, right? And you still care for them enough to stay together. So why don't you fight for your happiness? You've got the essential ingredients right there. What more can you ask for?

You did not sound mad. just sounded the way I was feeling if the truth be known. so ye in the same boat is a good way to put it.

Yes I do. My kid is a normal teenager I guess, to busy with her own life, friends and phone. I have made every attempt to reach out to my wife, trips, candle light dinners, but nothing has worked. So maybe you are right, I shouldn't feel lonely. Just ignored. Have you ever been to the mall and felt lonely? You shouldn't, they're people around. See my point. You don't have to be alone to be lonely.

Have you tried talking to your wife about how you feel? She may be feeling the same thing you dont know. until you both can have a real understanding of the situation then its going to get any better.

I see your point. I took a friend in a lot of years ago now cos hes dad had frown him out. So he moved in with me. I thought it would be good company. But I sew less of my friend when he was living with me then I did when he was not. Kinder made me feel moor alone in one way. I know ppl are out having a good time why am stuck in. But when I had my mate living with me it was like someone was rubbing my noes in it as well. I think maybe you kinder have to live that one to understand it. But ye I get exactly where your coming from mate.

seriously tho, being truly lonely i think its a bit harder than having someone that at least know your existence.. i had a relationship once, happiest of my days, then it ended.... horribly... then all of my friends either moved away or have bad blood(seriously, NOT MY FAULT)......and now im utterly, truly truly lonely and its the worst feeling ive ever felt... id do ANYTHING for someone that at least cares, someone that you see at least once a day, someone that you wake up next to, someone that calls you just because...

i understand its all relative...but this is just how i felt about true loneliness.

So I guess my question is, why aren't you fighting for yours? You sound like you don't enjoy being a bitter lonely woman; what are you doing to change your situation?