Yeah I agree with pretty much everything...I've been much better about body language the last year or so. I had a friend once who asked me why he couldn't get a girl, and his teeth explained everything. Lol

I believe most lines and techniques are seen through very easily (unless you have really good timing), so as long as the guy is in control, uses correct B.L., and talks about things that don't bore (or scare) the girl to death. He should have a chance. Though of course you will still get rejected, it can't be allowed to affect you.

Thanks!

I hardly care about this (and many other things) anymore... whoever has a girlfriend, great for them, whoever doesn't, doesn't. I've become comfortably numb. ;>

I wouldn't mind a girl with a PhD. I just have a strong feeling that most women want men with lots of cash. Just the fear that this may be true puts a lot of dread in me.

Jetstream,

You do have a point. If you reduce male/female relations to the basest point, THEN:

Men want a beautiful woman (usually according to Society's views of beautiful women:

Tall, extremely thin yet miraculously curvaceous, beautiful face, nice teeth, YOUNG, smart but not too smart...sexy but not too sexy, etc.

Women want a rich man (in the sense that the man should be at minimum middle class; preferably upper middle class to upper class.)

Look at the evolutionary logic of this. Men want youth and beauty. Youth and beauty signifies that the woman is fertile. She is able to bear children and she is able to have the youth, strength, and energy to raise them.

Women want money and power. The most powerful man in the clan of the cave bear ;-)
would be able to protect and provide for his woman and children.

This all makes sense. Now that we are no longer living in caves, we are still seeking these very deep needs.

You always find exceptions to the rule, though. There are men who honestly don't care about looks, and women who honestly don't care about money.

lonelygirl, I'm still waiting to see you work your magic for Josh! The suspense is killing me!

Aaron, I'm not sure what you mean? I'm just here to provide love and support to all our members, including you.

There is no way for it to work for me because I have the wrong mind set about the whole thing. I have became too bitter anymore for real socializing and I tend to have the attidude now that I am successful so women should be drawn to me I guess it's something like I think that I deserve to have the women I want because I have worked so hard in life.

Now of course I know this is wrong but I am pretty sure somewhere in my mind this is my thinking. Also another huge factor is I simply do not understand how to talk to a girl at all or even people in general. Now everyone says its simple but to me its not I use my example that I figure how many molecules of H2O there in in 5 Liters now thats simple to me but most people wouldn't have a clue how to do that.

Wow, Josh. That's very interesting to me. I love minds like yours--I'd like to believe that I'm logical and rational, but as you can see from some of my posts, I do tend to lose my head from time to time.

Working hard means that you've contributed to the world--but unfortunately, we humans at this time in history seem to live in a very shallow society. Youth, beauty, money, and power are worshiped above all else.

Remember that "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."

It's okay to be scared of interacting with other human beings--even now, sometimes, I'm very scared. But I try to force my way past all the self-doubt and forge ahead. I've forgotten how old you are, but I do think that these social skills can be learned at ANY point in time, when you are ready.

I thought that you had deterimined to offer some guidance to Josh, and perhaps even some match making. Perhaps I misunderstood.

Josh, I wonder what are all of those at all successful ugly old farts with sweet young things hanging off their arms doing, that you are not?