Documentary "Simply Raw: Reversing Diabeties in 30 days"

[Lonesome Crow]

you know.... Diebety can be a very serious health issue.
Life and death.
I know someone that burried his wife late week from diebety..
I recommend anyone that has diebety or think they might have bloode suger level problems
to seek professional help, seek advice, treatment, care, instructions from your DOCTOR.
The professionals, experts experts that's dealt with this issues, cared, experinces and studied of this issues

Not just shit you read or see on the net.
WTF...Oparh has a cure for diebeteis now.????
This is a very dangerous

[Skorian]

Lonesome Crow Wrote:you know.... Diebety can be a very serious health issue.
Life and death.
I know someone that burried his wife late week from diebety..
I recommend anyone that has diebety or think they might have bloode suger level problems
to seek professional help or seek advice from your DOCTOR.

Not just shit you read on the net...

There is a doctor who was treating people in this documentary...

[Jack Kerouac]

Skorian Wrote:I can't remember for sure, but I think this documentary has Oprah Winfrey in the credits. She isn't in it, but I suspect may have helped fund it. I think it was this documentary that I noticed that.

Then you have to suspect it's possibly some new age fake con program like The Secret. There's lots of money to be made in non scientific health programs, and just because a program makes claims that go against the consumerist culture doesn't mean that the program itself is not a part of the consumerist culture itself, meant mainly to make money or spread false beliefs.

Were is the scientific evidence from credible peer reviewed journals that shows a statistical significance between eating raw foods for 30 days and reversing diabetes? What are the long term effects of this kind of practice?

Just because somebody wrote a book doesn't mean it is true, and 6 case studies is in no way a scientific experiment.

And especially if Oprah is pushing it you have to expect it to have a high likelyhood of being false information marketed towards the new ager crowd that she sells most of her products to.

These are all really important things to consider before taking the video at face value in my opinion.

[Lonesome Crow]

I have hyperglycemia and hypoglycemia.
I'm real close to having diabety, if I don't take care of my health..that's what I'll develope.
If I don't watch my diet..my blood sugar will drop.

I've experinced many, many low bloode sugar level drop in my life.
And it feels like you're going to die or have a heart attack and die.

The last time I had a major attack I almost freaken died. My co-workers had to take evasive attactions
becuase I went into shock and almost fainted. If no one was around, I probably would had.

I've develope this conditions DECADES AGO.
Better eating habits had NOT CURED me of this condition.
I live it and EXPEINCE IT EVERYDAY. It's a life and death matter.

Once of my friend has diabety. She stopped taking her medician for a couple of weeks.
She freaken went bonkers and started acting very eratic. She thought she was having all kinds of living crisis.
She finally went to the doctor. It was becuase she wasn't taking her daitbety medication....errr!!!

I'm not going to put my life at risk..just becuase somebody post a link on a forum making whatever claims.

Thats why one of my friend's wife DIED LAST WEEK...Her blood suger level was way, way too high.

[Skorian]

Jack Kerouac Wrote:Then you have to suspect it's possibly some new age fake con program like The Secret. There's lots of money to be made in non scientific health programs, and just because a program makes claims that go against the consumerist culture doesn't mean that the program itself is not a part of the consumerist culture itself, meant mainly to make money or spread false beliefs.

How can they make any money, except off sales of the film itself? There is no special program outside just teaching people how to eat properly. There is no profit to be made. Their point is to show people why they have diabetes in the first place and that by giving the body what it needs, the bodies cells can actually regenerate. Most people have no idea how badly they eat.

Were is the scientific evidence from credible peer reviewed journals that shows a statistical significance between eating raw foods for 30 days and reversing diabetes? What are the long term effects of this kind of practice?

The proof is in the fact that it works. How do I explain that mainstream medicine does not offer such things, because there is no money in it? Doctors are part of a business practice that is very controlled by the pharmaceutical industry. Doctors are not trained in nutrition or how to make people healthy. They are trained in treating disease. Which is totally different, then making someone healthy.

The pharmaceutical industry flat out does not really like nutrition, as it cuts into their profits. The pharmaceutical industry has a lot of pull over how doctors are trained. Which affects how they practice medicine and what they believe. This is why many doctors who are really good find some of this stuff out along the way and go sort of rogue. I have read many books by such people. They learn from patients, or by asking the right questions themselves, that they can do more to help people by stepping outside of what is standard. There has been a war going on between nutrition and mainstream medicine for decades. What I am saying here is exactly why. It isn’t that nutrition isn’t powerful. It is that it undercuts the pharmaceutical industries profit potential and at least a few of the businessmen/women who run the business likely know it. Doctors take the pharmaceutical industries side, because they quite simply know almost nothing about nutrition.

There are 0 long term effects. This is how man used to eat and is intended to eat. I would assume that with most people on their own they would have a hard time doing this at first and so it would take longer then 30 days. It is also something that you have to continue to do. Has to be viewed as a lifestyle, more then a treatment. It isn’t something that is easy or for everyone.

There will never be cures for cancer or things like that coming out of the pharmaceutical companies. They aren’t interested in anything that can’t make them a lot of money. Even if you can easily treat an illness, they would never tell you. If you knew, then it cuts into their potential profit. And if you think this isn’t true. I would ask why? Do you think they would announce this? You think they would ever admit? It is a fact of life in our capitalistic world today. It is what happens in capitalistically run medicine. If the world did things differently, then our world would be very different. Cancer could flat out be reduced to almost never happening, if we went after the causes of cancer. Cancer is caused mainly by man-made pollution, which we know what a whole bunch of the causes are, but with the way things work, it isn’t going to happen anytime soon.

Just because somebody wrote a book doesn't mean it is true, and 6 case studies is in no way a scientific experiment.

But a book and a documentary are two different things. Unless you assume that it is faked? From everything I know, I believe as they portray, it is a true story that was recorded as it played out. So where is the gimmick? The problem isn't science. The problem is people eat horribly and make excuses that it doesn't matter. Generally even those who think they are eating well, are not. Diabetes, is as many nutritionists have been saying for years, the result of a poor diet. The average doctor can’t even tell you this, because he doesn’t know and thus doesn’t believe it. Has no experience in it, no training, so how can he know? Which another part of the problem is that people want to believe they can just eat however they want and there is no price to pay. There is a huge price to pay.

And especially if Oprah is pushing it you have to expect it to have a high likelyhood of being false information marketed towards the new ager crowd that she sells most of her products to.

You have something against Oprah?

These are all really important things to consider before taking the video at face value in my opinion.

Let me explain a few things. They are not recommending that people go cold turkey off of insulin, but rather monitor how much they need and reduce their insulin as the body recovers. They recommend showing the video to your doctor, so he knows what you’re doing, and to use common sense when doing this. Most likely your doctor won’t believe it, but you can still go ahead as long as you monitor your blood sugar and use your head. Diabetes is not some miss understood disease that people can’t monitor.

[Jack Kerouac]

Skorian Wrote:How can they make any money, except off sales of the film itself? There is no special program outside just teaching people how to eat properly. There is no profit to be made. Their point is to show people why they have diabetes in the first place and that by giving the body what it needs the bodies cells can actually regenerate. Most people have no idea how badly they eat.

Making money off of the film IS a way to make money- people who make films or write books about alternative health tend to keep making new ones because they then have a built in audience to keep selling to. That's typically the strategy of new age health writers.

But they can make money off of things such as the retreat area the people in the movie went to where they were fed meals. The video is essentially an advertisement for it. That's another possibility.

Quote:The proof is in the fact that it works.

You have no scientific evidence to suggest it works.

Quote:How do I explain that mainstream medicine does not offer such things, because there is no money in it? Doctors are part of a business practice that is very controlled by the pharmaceutical industry. Doctors are not trained in nutrition or how to make people healthy. They are trained in treating disease. Which is totally different then making someone healthy. The pharmaceutical industry flat out does not really like nutrition as it cuts into their profits.

That's still not scientific evidence.

Quote:There are 0 long term effects. This is how man used to eat and is intended to eat. I would assume that with most people on their own they would have a hard time doing this at first and so it would take longer then 30 days. It is also something that you have to continue to do. Has to be viewed as a lifestyle, more then a treatment. It isn’t something that is easy or for everyone.

You didn't show scientific evidence of long term effects.

Quote:There will never be cures for cancer or things like that coming out of the pharmaceutical companies. They aren’t interested in anything that can’t make them a lot of money. Even if you can easily treat an illness, they would never tell you. If you knew, then it cuts into their potential profit. And if you think this isn’t true. I would ask why? Do you think they would announce this? You think they would ever admit? It is a fact of life in our capitalistic world today. It is what happens in capitalistically run medicine. If the world did things differently, then our world would be very different. Cancer could flat out be reduced to almost never happening, if we went after the causes of cancer. Cancer is caused mainly by man-made pollution, which we know what a whole bunch of the causes are, but with the way things work, it isn’t going to happen anytime soon.[/color]

That's great and all, but you still haven't given scientific evidence to support the hypothesis that eating raw foods reverses diabetes. Pharmaceutical companies are not the only people doing research. There is no reason the people making the video cannot conduct scientific experiments to test their hypothesis.

Quote:But a book and a documentary are two different things.

Typical books or documentaries are not held up to any kind of professional or scientific standards. They can make up any kinds of lies they want or misrepresent truth to whatever they want you to believe, depending on who publishes them. Whether or not such a thing is published tends to depend on the marketability of the idea- things that people want to believe are going to be very sellable and so they will get published even if they are not true.

Quote:Unless you assume that it is faked? From everything I know, I believe as they portray, it is a true story that was recorded. So where is the gimmick? The problem isn't science. The problem is people eat horribly and make excuses that it doesn't matter. Generally even those who think they are eating well, are not. Dubieties, is as many nutritionists have been saying for years, the result of a poor diet.[/color],

That's great, but there is still no scientific evidence to support the hypothesis that eating raw foods for 30 days will reverse diabetes that I have seen. If you have some please let us know.

Quote:You have something against Oprah?

Yes- Oprah sells a ton of new age quackery and psuedoscience to gullable people and makes a crap load of cash from it. She's about as big of a con artist as it gets. She sells nonsense like "The Secret" and other touchy feely things that people want to hear but are not true.

She's probably one of the last people you should trust and makes a killing selling things that have no scientific merrit but which claim to be hidden truths.

Quote:Let me explain a few things. They are not recommending that people go cold turkey off of insulin, but rather monitor how much they need and reduce their insulin as the body recovers. They recommend showing the video to your doctor, so he knows what you’re doing, and to use common sense when doing this. Most likely your doctor won’t believe it, but you can still go ahead as long as you monitor your blood sugar and use your head. Diabetes is not some miss understood disease that people can’t monitor.

Telling somebody you can show a video to your doctor is not going to make up for the fact that nobody has given any scientific research to support the main hypothesis of the video.

If the hypothesis is correct, then let's see some studies done on it, and then let us make sure the methods are up to professional standards, and that the result is statistically significant.

Then it would make sense to discuss this. But if nobody wants to do professional scientific research, then all we have are a lot of claims that we cannot fully trust. That's a common theme in the world of alternative health.

Obviously we know that diet and weight are important in preventing diabetes, but if somebody is going to claim something specific like they can reverse it with raw foods, we need to see scientific research, and not a nonscientific documentary possibly made by Oprah with potentially hidden objectives.

[Jack Kerouac]

Oh for crying out loud, I just looked at the official website and a bunch of the "experts" are spiritual leaders and motivational speakers and hippies, many of which have something to gain from adverstising their other products by their association with this movie. Throw in a couple doctors who also wrote some books they want to sell instead of links to scientific research they conducted on the subject, and you've got yourself an effective money maker!

http://www.rawfor30days.com/experts.html

"Gabriel Cousens, is a holistic physician, medical researcher, world-recognized live-food nutritionist, psychiatrist, homeopath, acupuncturist, Ayurvedic practitioner, detoxification fasting, ecological leader, Reiki master, internationally celebrated spiritual teacher, author, lecturer, and world peaceworker."

"Dr. Michael Beckwith’s life is a living testament to building spiritual community. In the 1970’s he began an inward journey into the teachings of East and West, and today teaches universal truth principles found in the New Thought-Ancient Wisdom tradition. Gifted with a vision of a trans-denominational spiritual community, in 1986 he founded the Agape International Spiritual Center upon his faith in that original vision."

"What began as a young person’s desire to help individuals transform the quality of their lives has grown into Robbins’ lifelong crusade as he is called on by leaders from every walk of life—presidents, political leaders, advocates for humanity, CEOs of multinational corporations, psychologists, peak performance athletes, world-class entertainers, teachers, and parents. Since fathering the life coaching industry, Robbins has produced the #1-selling audio coaching system of all time. He also is an international best-selling author, award-winning speaker, corporate Vice Chairman, and Chairman overseeing five private companies."

"David Wolfe is the author of the bestselling books Eating for Beauty, The Sunfood Diet Success System and his newest release, Naked Chocolate. He is supported in his nutrition mission by Sunfood Nutrition™ (http://www.sunfood.com) the world's largest distributor of books, juicers, audio/videotapes, organic beauty products, bulk organic foods, and exotic raw foods to assist people in adopting, maintaining, and enjoying plant-food-based lifestyles."

I'm fully convinced it is a load of crap now.

Anytime somebody "spiritual" is involved in a program saying that it has medical health advice, you know it's just a bunch of nonsense to make money. This is the old snake oil trick that is used by all spiritual leaders, and even the medical "experts" involved seem to have their own books and services for sale.

Yep, I smell advertisement and money and spiritual nonsense. Just as I expected.

[Jack Kerouac]

Jesse Wrote:I'm just disgusted by my fatness and am ready to lose weight. Do you happen to know how fast of weightloss I can have and it still be healthy? Like 2 pounds a day isn't healthy right?

Typically if you are losing more than 2 pounds a week, you are shedding a ton of muscle along with the fat. You do NOT want to be doing that.

[Skorian]

Jack Kerouac Wrote:You have no scientific evidence to suggest it works.

You just entered into a circular argument. There is no excuse to not try, there is evidence. There are studies. However the industries that back such studies do not have the same advertising dollars, just like you rarely see small family farms advertising for the same reason. I am by no means advocating people jump blindly and just trust me. I think people should educate themselves on nutrition and how it works. There is scientific evidence, but I am not going to go on a hunt simply because you want to disbelieve.

That's still not scientific evidence.

Oh really?

You didn't show scientific evidence of long term effects.

This thread is about a documentary. Not studies. I offer up the documentary itself though as evidence.

That's great and all, but you still haven't given scientific evidence to support the hypothesis that eating raw foods reverses diabetes. Pharmaceutical companies are not the only people doing research. There is no reason the people making the video cannot conduct scientific experiments to test their hypothesis.

You have no clue what your talking about.

That's great, but there is still no scientific evidence to support the hypothesis that eating raw foods for 30 days will reverse diabetes that I have seen. If you have some please let us know.

Well in this case. Taking the assumption that everyone in the video is real and that this simply recorded an event, then the video is evidence itself. Having not even watched it. You don't even know what you’re talking about.

Yes- Oprah sells a ton of new age quackery and psuedoscience to gullable people and makes a crap load of cash from it. She's about as big of a con artist as it gets. She sells nonsense like "The Secret" and other touchy feely things that people want to hear but are not true.

She's probably one of the last people you should trust and makes a killing selling things that have no scientific merrit but which claim to be hidden truths.

*rolls eyes*

Telling somebody you can show a video to your doctor is not going to make up for the fact that nobody has given any scientific research to support the main hypothesis of the video.

If the hypothesis is correct, then let's see some studies done on it, and then let us make sure the methods are up to professional standards, and that the result is statistically significant.

Then it would make sense to discuss this. But if nobody wants to do professional scientific research, then all we have are a lot of claims that we cannot fully trust. That's a common theme in the world of alternative health.

Obviously we know that diet and weight are important in preventing diabetes, but if somebody is going to claim something specific like they can reverse it with raw foods, we need to see scientific research, and not a nonscientific documentary possibly made by Oprah with potentially hidden objectives.

So your assuming that the video is faked? What happens if it isn't? There are plenty of studies, but I am not an expert at pulling studies out of my rear.

I will not claim that all alternative health is legit, but then many things are legit.

As far as sales of things are concerned. Does anyone "have" to buy anything from them? No. Unless your saying that the only food on the planet comes from them?

Oh for crying out loud, I just looked at the official website and a bunch of the "experts" are spiritual leaders and motivational speakers and hippies, many of which have something to gain from adverstising their other products by their association with this movie. Throw in a couple doctors who also wrote some books they want to sell instead of links to scientific research they conducted on the subject, and you've got yourself an effective money maker!

Is anyone required to buy their products? Is the act of selling something alone always wrong or does it depend on how it is done? Do they have a product they are trying to sell that you can "only" get through them? Other then maybe a dvd, though you don't really have to buy that either. I can tell you flat out that they do not advertise in this video.

http://www.rawfor30days.com/experts.html

"Gabriel Cousens, is a holistic physician, medical researcher, world-recognized live-food nutritionist, psychiatrist, homeopath, acupuncturist, Ayurvedic practitioner, detoxification fasting, ecological leader, Reiki master, internationally celebrated spiritual teacher, author, lecturer, and world peaceworker."

"Dr. Michael Beckwith’s life is a living testament to building spiritual community. In the 1970’s he began an inward journey into the teachings of East and West, and today teaches universal truth principles found in the New Thought-Ancient Wisdom tradition. Gifted with a vision of a trans-denominational spiritual community, in 1986 he founded the Agape International Spiritual Center upon his faith in that original vision."

"What began as a young person’s desire to help individuals transform the quality of their lives has grown into Robbins’ lifelong crusade as he is called on by leaders from every walk of life—presidents, political leaders, advocates for humanity, CEOs of multinational corporations, psychologists, peak performance athletes, world-class entertainers, teachers, and parents. Since fathering the life coaching industry, Robbins has produced the #1-selling audio coaching system of all time. He also is an international best-selling author, award-winning speaker, corporate Vice Chairman, and Chairman overseeing five private companies."

"David Wolfe is the author of the bestselling books Eating for Beauty, The Sunfood Diet Success System and his newest release, Naked Chocolate. He is supported in his nutrition mission by Sunfood Nutrition™ (http://www.sunfood.com) the world's largest distributor of books, juicers, audio/videotapes, organic beauty products, bulk organic foods, and exotic raw foods to assist people in adopting, maintaining, and enjoying plant-food-based lifestyles."

I'm fully convinced it is a load of crap now.

That is your own choice. You can't say that you aren't bias and close minded.

Anytime somebody "spiritual" is involved in a program saying that it has medical health advice, you know it's just a bunch of nonsense to make money. This is the old snake oil trick that is used by all spiritual leaders, and even the medical "experts" involved seem to have their own books and services for sale.

What are you talking about? You mean the fact that they are all very smart, highly educated, and successful?

Spirituality does not even mean religion or god. Yoga is a form of spirituality. It is simply a word that has many meanings. I think you are rather paranoid.

Yep, I smell advertisement and money and spiritual nonsense. Just as I expected.

I will say again. Do you have to buy anything from them to eat healthy? Other then healthy food? Do they have a monopoly on it? Just because someone sells something doesn't make them corrupt. According to your logic, every buisness on the planet must be evil?

[Skorian]

Jack Kerouac Wrote:

Jesse Wrote:I'm just disgusted by my fatness and am ready to lose weight. Do you happen to know how fast of weightloss I can have and it still be healthy? Like 2 pounds a day isn't healthy right?

Typically if you are losing more than 2 pounds a week, you are shedding a ton of muscle along with the fat. You do NOT want to be doing that.

This statement is made upon the assumption that you are doing a starvation diet. Which means you wouldn't be getting enough calories and protein to maintain your muscle. Which is exactly why not eating to lose weight is a bad idea. When people don't eat to lose weight they lose muscle, muscle is our number one fat burner, and then when they quit the diet, put on more fat then they had to begin with.

In fact, if you eat a healthy diet and lift weights, that is a very effective way to lose it. Of course if you struggle to have the energy to lift, then eating healthy for a while can help you get the energy needed to do weight training.

It is better to use a means to measure your fat and to not go by your weight. Muscle is more dense and thus heavier then fat.