haha close, This things sometimes get me confused lol It means between you and me Well That's what I always think of but I Guss some ppl think of by the way as well.

I am really confused why anyone who is religious thinks god would care if people suffer and die. I mean according to the religious people you go directly to the after life, you either pass go and collect 200 dollars or you trip in front of the train tracks and get set to the terrible sulfur mine. Either way god has no reason to care if theirs an after life. Because its just one blip in the eye of eternity someones life. And your suppose to be immortal as a soul yatta yatta. I for one thing the entire idea of an after life is terrifying. I wouldnt want to go to heaven out of fear that my free will would be taken away so I could be "happy forever" for no damn reason. And hell if you kept your free will eventually you would get bored of all that torture crap and just end up being like I get it your torturing me you been doing it for years now and frankly im used to it. I think we should both just move on now. Not to mention their would be lots of ice cream jokes in hell I think anyone else?

Hmm, first off your statement suggests strong emotionally biased "opinion", not factual information or referenced data that would class your statements as argument, so perhaps no matter what I say you won't care to hear, but I'll give it a go cause I'm crazy like that, weeeeeeeeeeee! .

Ecclesiastes 2:14

Second, I think you are confusing definitions... maybe I'm just splitting hairs but:

Fate, in my studies are unavoidable conclusions to absolutes... your life will end in your death, sinners go to hell, Christians go to heaven. These are what I term as fates.

Free will is the ability to control or alter what is within your realm of influence (realm of influence is the sum of all things you are able to change... what you eat for breakfast, how you dress for school, whether or not to rob a store on the way to school) These are things you have control over. This is free will.

Now in relation to what I said before concerning free will... have you seen I, Robot? The master computer in I, Robot wanted to protect humanity from itself... the only way to do that was to utterly imprison and control the actions of humankind... that is restriction of free will.

Sin for the most part can be classed as any action that goes against the Commandments set out in the time of Moses. Just because you know something is a sin, and you know that there are consequences, doesn't mean you don't do it anyway... THAT IS FREE WILL.

Even knowing the consequences of our actions, we still have the will to choose to do actions with negative outcome... it may not be intelligent or sensible, but that is the very definition of free will... to be free to do whatever we will.

How does one respond to a question that is as a baited snare set before ones feet? What answer can one give to a question that is not a question at all, but a poisoned dagger in disguise?

How about this:

How did you choose to suffer (or not to suffer) from AIDS?
(makes about as much sense as yours)

Basically what I am saying is that with that very question you've completely escaped from reasonable or rational debate in this post... I'm sorry e.m.e but you've (perhaps unwittingly) created a trap for me that I have seen used many times before in a large number of different debates I've partaken in.

You created a post that doesn't really say anything at all concrete. Your meaning in your conclusion is left unclear so as to leave you a "back door" in the debate to slip through. You commit to nothing in your final question and looking at the question it is easy to see that it is not even a valid or rational one.

See, now if I were to take a stance and respond to your question based on what I "think" you are saying, you could return and say "oh this is what I meant" or "that is not what I meant" based on your counter to what information I provide in my response to your post. By answering this question, I open a Pandora's box of pointless questions and nonconstructive statements.

I'm sorry if that comes across rude or condescending e.m.e., but I've taken the journey that leads down that path too many times in the past... if the baiting was intentional, then you will take offense because you won't have enjoyed my response... if it was not, then you will probably take some time to clarify the meaning of your statements and your final question. Be wordy if you must, by all means, but put some thought into your statements. Try to ensure they make sense and are not strictly emotional, and I will gladly respond in kind.

Me, me, I have an answer!

By not using condoms.

lol But that's like saying you choose to get knocked over by a car because you choose to cross the road.

They choose to not where condoms as do a lot of men,, that dose not mean they wonted AIDS,, No body would want such a terrible thing.

Lost in the Olifield,
I am not offended in any way , I think your answers make a lot of sense just like those of any scholar that studied the scrypt, like sort of "book smart".
what good are your facts in the Bible if they are just words on the paper?
well, I'm not asking any question because don't mean to set any traps. About Africa.. I ask that question all the time and try to figure the answer myself. But no one has the answer because ofcourse the question is to general and people only can answer some questions on individual scale or whatever,like why do YOU use condoms. I asked my brother, he is a "well scrypt thought and bible -read"(thats what he thinks) orthodox monk, he said :"well, Africa is being punished for their herecy and woodoo", I don't get it. Ans then :"praise the Lord for everything".well I guess if Africa converted to Christianity they'd live happily ever after.The 3 big questions that I have still remain just simple questions not anything to trap you or tricks to prove you wrong, or get confused. Its not the case.I'm just trying to hear what other people have to say, maybe even convince stupid me.
The fat book Bible, full of facts and laws doesn't work anymore.
Look at the facts of everyday life.I guess they are more realistic.
Of course my statements are examples of emotionally biased oppinions, because thats exactly how people who went through cruel facts of life will respond to the book. They loose faith. I've just seen too much hope die , that hope that relyed on your sort of facts which proved to be just some talk.
no offense taken, I'm so used to this.

a simple question, which in no way should be interpreted as a trap
do you pray? or just do the study of the Bible?
If you get prayers answered you're lucky.
But when they go unanswered then u start to notice that all that preaching is just bull.
I asked someone and she said:"God has 3 answers:"yes", "no" and "wait""
ok. the person waited all their life for something better, life gets worse,they kill themselves, even then its their own fault.....they didn't wait long enough?
Others will say :"oh , why did they choose to kill themselves, in every situation there are options." Even though I've seen situations w/o any options, I have to admit that most situations do have options. But what if the other option was too painful to bear. Then I hear:"oh they were just to weak and wanted to escape pain", I disagree with this ...but thats another topic. so then why didn't God give them enough strengts? well, unfortunately, I have no choice but to blame....God. ..
I don't give a f. if I'm emotional instead of rational or logical, thats what I see everyday.

in Ukraine, where I come from, they are not allowed to be buried on the same side of cemetery with people who died naturally...the church will not pray for their soul. yeah...people say, well you belong to a wrong church. I don't think so, all Christian world judges them in a worst possible way.

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.pf...but who cares about that lets live and remain calm and just recite the other facts every where we go.



I have a good friend, sorry don't mean to offend other baptists here,but she thinks that by just joining her religion and do some "bible study " every tuesday she is automaticlay saved.

Попробуй осознать ничтожество человека перед богом. Представь, что ты взлетаешь высоко в небо и смотришь оттуда на землю. Люди, со всей их гордостью и тщеславием, будут всего лишь точками. Взлети еще выше, и их совсем не будет видно.

Не думаю что бог кого-то наказывает или награждает, ему просто все равно. Так же как тебе все равно что делают друг с другом муравьи в муравейнике.

This post was last modified: 12-17-2007 08:16 AM by mimizu.

Mimizu,

lol....the ants example's funny.But we are not insects.
Yea...of course we are like "peschinki". I also believe that Rai--Paredise is in heaven but God doesn't necessarely lives on top of the clouds, looks down upon us and because we are so little like tiny black
dots,from upthere he can't tell which one is who and doesn't care.The physical size of a person has nothing to do with the ...I dont know...size of a soul...or whatever. God does not sit on his throne in heaven doing nothing. I'm not sure if he cares but He is up in everybody's business.
We all have pride in us, some people think they are better then others and deserve to torture innocent children. I'm just pissed at how unfair He is. Of course God works in mystrerious ways and I will never understand because I'm just a weak human full of pride.

p.s. good russian


ok. I remeber this incident with lottery. Some old man won Mega and said that he didn't really need it...so then why the hell are you plaing at all? Half of the US poor families are playing also but don't get s***. Some1 upthere makes these decisions. Since when is it fair?
With suicide..there are those religious sects that do massive suicide fully understaning and having a clear purpose and those terrorist also know why they blow up themselvs. Well, hell with them I don't care. But all the other young kids and teens who loose hope hurt themselves in pain. Why can't be that fatal decision prevented?

Lost in Oilfield, explain to stupid me why children suffer for their parents sins?
I think the Bible says something about the 7th or 77th generation?
this is not a trap, just want to know what others think.
Or any one else?


geez...if before 2012 ..lol...I don't sign a peace treaty with God....church will disown me. lol
eerrrrr

prayers r always answered
its just that sometimes the answer is no

NewBirth has finally accepted Jesus Christ as his lord and savior.

If praying does work and the answer can be "no" than God is a sadist.