Hmm wow this turned into a pretty good topic fast.

Guess since everyone is saying thigns I will chime in. Here is why I hate god either he just created everything and no longer gives a shit about anything or anyone but the bible and most other bibical things say otherwise. So pretty much god only acts when someone piss's him off and his anger probaly would be classified as much worse then mine.

So if god does interfer with our affairs it seems random at best and to me I just think he is a sadist or like a little kid with an ant farm he just likes to fuck with us and everyone know and then if someone piss's him off smite something.

Because He said so... and besides, any good parent would love their children... even when they're bad they'll try to help them.

According to what religious people? Buddhists, Wiccans, Taoists, and Sikhs as well as a good number of other non-Christian religions would probably have something to say to the contrary about your comment. Money is an earthly thing... there'll be no collecting 200

You miss the whole concept of both life and afterlife... consider this: you never die. So God has you there with Him for eternity. Therefor you are not just a blip... of course He cares, otherwise He would have just said everybody dies and comes to heaven, and heaven would just be another flawed copy of earth. Whats the point of that? Life is a test... an entrance exam into heaven if you will, we pass or fail. Even if you refuse to participate in the test, you fail by forfeit.

That's not a very accurate or educated view. According to the bible, being happy in heaven would be consequential, not forced. You're in a place where you know your purpose, everybody is on the same page, you have enlightenment beyond what we can imagine here, you will never get sick, sore, tired, hungry, lonely, depressed or dead. What's not to like about that?

I think that hell is greatly misrepresented and people too often preach of fire and brimstone and all the demons with pitchforks, and fire etc... If you honestly study the bible you come to realize that there are many misinterpretations...

Hell is basically a place of eternal separation from God. 2 Thessalonians 1:9 states that those without God “will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of His power.” To be separated from God is to be separated from all that is good. A person in hell is separated from all the joy, love, and meaning for which we were created. Instead of knowing God as a loving father, one will know God as judge (Romans 2: 5-8). That is the attribute of God an unbeliever will know for eternity.

Many, including Christians, believe that God tortures people in hell. However, a significant thing to note is that in the New Testament, hell is not described as a place of torture but rather a place of torment (Luke 16:23-28, Revelation 14:11). Torture is inflicted against one’s will, while torment is self-inflicted by one’s own will. Torment comes from the mental and physical anguish of knowing we used our freedom for evil and chose wrongly. The anguish results from the sorrow and shame of the judgment of being forever away from God and all that is meaningful and joyful. Everyone in hell will know that the pain he or she is suffering is self-induced. The flames of hell are generated by the individual who has rejected God. It is not a place where people are forced against their will to undergo agonizing pain. Unbelievers often use this image to portray God as a cruel and vindictive being. However, the torment of hell comes from the individual who chooses not to love God and now must live with the sorrow of being aware of all that was lost.

One of the most severe punishments leveled on a criminal is the sentence of solitary confinement. One of the reasons this is a feared sentence is that the guilty are left to sit alone in their cells and live with the regret and sorrow of their crimes with no one to comfort or minister to them. Pain comes from within as they wrestle alone with their thoughts and emotions. It must be a horrible realization to see lost forever what could have been.

Such is the anguish of hell. The pain comes from the regret of all that was lost. A person experiences separation from God, the ultimate good. This is why hell is such a horrible place and a horrible choice.

This post was last modified: 12-17-2007 03:28 PM by Lost in the Oilfield.

e.m.e. I saw your post on the other page... I'll get around to replies, but not at the moment cause I need to relax rather than think

Would someone like to translate for me.

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He's talking about Stalin, Ninotchka, and Vodka.

The fastest way to become an atheist is actually reading the bible, lol. There are so many holes and contradictions in it that it's not even funny. How anyone could take that obviously man-made, deliberately edited collection of short stories seriously is beyond me. Atheists sometimes call it the "greatest science fiction novel ever written," but I disagree. It's actually not that great of a novel. It has poor transition, no character development, they are all one dimensional, and no plot. And forget about turning the bible for guidance if you aren't going to pick and choose. If you believe it to be the word of God, then you can't pick and choose out of it, and have to take it all at face value and obey it. Strange how the bible condones stoning to death disobedient children, yet everyone likes to ignore that. There are plenty more rules like this, but no one wants to notice them. Doesn't matter if it's illegal, God said you have to do it, so get snappin' to it! That little brat wants that expensive toy at TOYSRUS and won't shut up? Stone him to death! I mean, God said so after all.

This post was last modified: 12-18-2007 01:03 AM by Brodie.

Oh lol I think.


Well I don't mined vodka just as long as I don't have to drink it with stalin,, err lol now am confused are maybe it was the vodka

haha God is a brat lol I agree with you man.

I also agree that they are to many contradictions. Like God well forgive all but if you comet adultery you shall burn in hell for all eternity???? I mean WTF I forgive you my son but you well still burn forever you little bastard. I mean that's not very forgiving is it. And forever is a bloody long time. You don't get no longer then that.

I do believe there is something there when you BOX JOB IT Just I don't believe there is a god that can Chang all. If there was he would have shurley done it be for now. As for we have free well and have to learn, Well if hes all that powerful then he could just simply give us the noleg we need + free well.

Makes you wonder if someone just slipped that one in there

Don't covet... O crap I really want that stereo that guy has it's so awesome.. Maybe that was slipped in there along the way too!

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