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Kenny

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Source: http://www.friedgreentomatoes.org/articles/emotional_manipulation.php

A continuation.

Everyone should read this.

Once you do, you will realize you've known some (maybe many).

NOT GENDER SPECIFIC.

1) There is no use in trying to be honest with an emotional manipulator. You make a statement and it will be turned around. Example: I am really angry that you forgot my birthday. Response - "It makes me feel sad that you would think I would forget your birthday, I should have told you of the great personal stress I am facing at the moment - but you see I didn’t want to trouble you. You are right I should have put all this pain (don’t be surprised to see real tears at this point) aside and focused on your birthday. Sorry." Even as you are hearing the words you get the creeped out sensation that they really do NOT mean they are sorry at all - but since they’ve said the words you’re pretty much left with nothing more to say. Either that or you suddenly find yourself babysitting their angst!! Under all circumstances if you feel this angle is being played - don’t capitulate! Do not care take - do not accept an apology that feels like bullshit. If it feels like bullshit - it probably is. Rule number one - if dealing with an emotional blackmailer TRUST your gut. TRUST your senses. Once an emotional manipulator finds a successful maneuver - it’s added to their hit list and you’ll be fed a steady diet of this honeysuckle.

2) An emotional manipulator is the picture of a willing helper. If you ask them to do something they will almost always agree - that is IF they didn’t volunteer to do it first. Then when you say, "ok thanks" - they make a bunch of heavy sighs, or other non verbal signs that let you know they don’t really want to do whatever said thing happens to be. When you tell them it doesn’t seem like they want to do whatever - they will turn it around and try to make it seem like OF COURSE they wanted to and how unreasonable you are. This is a form of crazy making - which is something emotional manipulators are very good at. Rule number two - If an emotional manipulator said YES - make them accountable for it. Do NOT buy into the sighs and subtleties - if they don’t want to do it - make them tell you it up front - or just put on the walk-man headphones and run a bath and leave them to their theater.

3) Crazy making - saying one thing and later assuring you they did not say it. If you find yourself in a relationship where you figure you should start keeping a log of what’s been said because you are beginning to question your own sanity --You are experiencing emotional manipulation. An emotional manipulator is an expert in turning things around, rationalizing, justifying and explaining things away. They can lie so smoothly that you can sit looking at black and they’ll call it white - and argue so persuasively that you begin to doubt your very senses. Over a period of time this is so insidious and eroding it can literally alter your sense of reality. WARNING: Emotional Manipulation is VERY Dangerous! It is very disconcerting for an emotional manipulator if you begin carrying a pad of paper and a pen and making notations during conversations. Feel free to let them know you just are feeling so "forgetful" these days that you want to record their words for posterity’s sake. The damndest thing about this is that having to do such a thing is a clear example for why you should be seriously thinking about removing yourself from range in the first place. If you’re toting a notebook to safeguard yourself - that ol’ bullshit meter should be flashing steady by now!

4) Guilt. Emotional manipulators are excellent guilt mongers. They can make you feel guilty for speaking up or not speaking up, for being emotional or not being emotional enough, for giving and caring, or for not giving and caring enough. Any thing is fair game and open to guilt with an emotional manipulator. Emotional manipulators seldom express their needs or desires openly - they get what they want through emotional manipulation. Guilt is not the only form of this but it is a potent one. Most of us are pretty conditioned to do whatever is necessary to reduce our feelings of guilt. Another powerful emotion that is used is sympathy. An emotional manipulator is a great victim. They inspire a profound sense of needing to support, care for and nurture. Emotional Manipulators seldom fight their own fights or do their own dirty work. The crazy thing is that when you do it for them (which they will never ask directly for), they may just turn around and say they certainly didn’t want or expect you to do anything! Try to make a point of not fighting other people’s battles, or doing their dirty work for them. A great line is "I have every confidence in your ability to work this out on your own" - check out the response and note the bullshit meter once again.

5) Emotional manipulators fight dirty. They don’t deal with things directly. They will talk around behind your back and eventually put others in the position of telling you what they would not say themselves. They are passive aggressive, meaning they find subtle ways of letting you know they are not happy little campers. They’ll tell you what they think you want to hear and then do a bunch of jerk off honeysuckle to undermine it. Example: "Of course I want you to go back to school honey and you know I’ll support you." Then exam night you are sitting at the table and poker buddies show up, the kids are crying the t.v. blasting and the dog needs walking - all the while "Sweetie" is sitting on their ass looking at you blankly. Dare you call them on such behavior you are likely to hear, "well you can’t expect life to just stop because you have an exam can you honey?" Cry, scream or choke ‘em - only the last will have any long-term benefits and it’ll probably wind your butt in jail.

6) If you have a headache an emotional manipulator will have a brain tumor! No matter what your situation is the emotional manipulator has probably been there or is there now - but only ten times worse. It’s hard after a period of time to feel emotionally connected to an emotional manipulator because they have a way of de-railing conversations and putting the spotlight back on themselves. If you call them on this behavior they will likely become deeply wounded or very petulant and call you selfish - or claim that it is you who are always in the spotlight. The thing is that even tho you know this is not the case you are left with the impossible task of proving it. Don’t bother - TRUST your gut and walk away!

7) Emotional manipulators somehow have the ability to impact the emotional climate of those around them. When an emotional manipulator is sad or angry the very room thrums with it - it brings a deep instinctual response to find someway to equalize the emotional climate and the quickest route is by making the emotional manipulator feel better - fixing whatever is broken for them. Stick with this type of loser for too long and you will be so enmeshed and co-dependent you will forget you even have needs - let alone that you have just as much right to have your needs met.

8) Emotional manipulators have no sense of accountability. They take no responsibility for themselves or their behavior - it is always about what everyone else has "done to them". One of the easiest ways to spot an emotional manipulator is that they often attempt to establish intimacy through the early sharing of deeply personal information that is generally of the "hook-you-in-and-make-you-sorry-for-me" variety. Initially you may perceive this type of person as very sensitive, emotionally open and maybe a little vulnerable. Believe me when I say that an emotional manipulator is about as vulnerable as a rabid pit bull, and there will always be a problem or a crisis to overcome.

/public service
 
5) Emotional manipulators fight dirty. They don’t deal with things directly. They will talk around behind your back and eventually put others in the position of telling you what they would not say themselves. They are passive aggressive, meaning they find subtle ways of letting you know they are not happy little campers. They’ll tell you what they think you want to hear and then do a bunch of jerk off honeysuckle to undermine it. Example: "Of course I want you to go back to school honey and you know I’ll support you." Then exam night you are sitting at the table and poker buddies show up, the kids are crying the t.v. blasting and the dog needs walking - all the while "Sweetie" is sitting on their ass looking at you blankly. Dare you call them on such behavior you are likely to hear, "well you can’t expect life to just stop because you have an exam can you honey?" Cry, scream or choke ‘em - only the last will have any long-term benefits and it’ll probably wind your butt in jail.

Sounds like my ex. Dude's screwed over in the head, partially due to his past and up-raising. But most of it is how he decides to treat people.
 
Don't worry. No one's going to assume its gender specific unless it says,"Women/Men are emotional manipulators." You don't have to say things are not gender specific.

Anyway . . . .

My ex was all those things except 5.

For instance, he wanted an open relationship and I didn't and he eventually got me to the point where I was apologizing to him for it because I was immature (as he said it) for being too jealous to allow him to sleep with other people. And if I would just get passed that immaturity, we could be happy.

My current boyfriend tries to do number 3 and fails at it. XD But I think he might just forget things he's said.
 
1, 4, 7 & 8. An ex of mine. By the end of the relationship I had been trained not to try to bring up any of my emotional needs. Of course, I told them how I really felt the night we broke up. They couldn't take how I really felt about them. =l

I spent most of the relationship tip-toeing around them emotionally because they seemed so fragile, but looking back I realize they cried to manipulate me, because they knew tears would make me feel like a *****. -_-

There's more to the story but I'd rather not go into that.
 
Sounds like an ex friend of mine, she was all of those. I wish I kept a notebook of the things she said/did. **** where was this article a few years ago.
 
My husband does these (especially number 7) - but not exactly as described. Number 2, for example, he'll NEVER volunteer for anything and isn't a willing helper. He just goes straight to the grumbling and complaining bit (and then doesn't do it anyway or does it in such a way that I end up having to do it myself again anyway). I've now learnt not to ask him to do anything unless I absolutely have no choice and then be prepared for a lot of hassle.

Interestingly enough my mother does most of these too - especially number 6 (whatever you have, she has it worse).

Can't be sure about the guilt element (4) for either of them though - I feel guilty at the drop of a hat, always have. Of course I could be wrong about what they do. I often am. But thanks for the list anyway. It made interesting reading.
 
*looks at class pic* yeah... I'm surrounded by them. (Irony with n.6)
 
haha wow. I know an emotional manipulator for sure. he fits this bill almost to a T.

except replace 'crazy making' with 'constantly spews make-believe, outlandish bullshit about self.' this guy lies all right, but he sure ain't smooth about it. :rolleyes:

 
My sister for all of them. Easy. And my Uncle on 6 to a blatant degree. I can't find any fault with this article at all, hence why a relationship becomes less and less appealing with each passing day. Hell, dealing with people in general feels taxing these days.
 
My sister is one of these, and so is my father.

The latter I can tolerate to a degree but I don't have any time for my sister and I stay out of her way. She has proven to me time and time again that the concept of respect and forgiveness is something she cannot understand.
 
tangerinedream said:
... I mean, abuse victims do it often "Oh, he only hits me when I make him angry" etc. It makes me wonder what the impulse is to stick to a relationship which is so unhealthy and which comes out with more check marks in the Cons column than the Pros. :/

i've wondered that myself. i've seen women that have had seven shades of honeysuckle beaten out of em and when asked why they stay with the guy they say "because i love him" (!!!!)

*scratches head*


 
Holy crap! This is apt. I stumbled on this site trying to get my head straight as to whether I am being manipulated in a current situation.

I have a doozy. I am blown away by how she works her angle so well, I mean, there isn't an actress live or dead who could go through the range of emotions like this one can. Crying, laughing, coquettish, sad, wistful...And convincing? I don't know which direction the sky is anymore!

My gut screams "Hey stupid! Something is wrong here!" but my brain is being rattled by these devious ways and the **** hope I hold that she is true when I know she isn't.

How do people discover and learn to use such an abhorrent skill?

 
The Unutterable said:
How do people discover and learn to use such an abhorrent skill?

It's been finely honed over the millenia to allow her, and her kind, to attract the highest level of male attention thereby increasing the odds of successful procreation and strong offspring. It's reptilian.
 
I frequently manipulate my own emotions.

Before you laugh, stop to think about that statement... and you'll find it's more disturbing than it seems.
 
Kenny said:
The Unutterable said:
How do people discover and learn to use such an abhorrent skill?

It's been finely honed over the millenia to allow her, and her kind, to attract the highest level of male attention thereby increasing the odds of successful procreation and strong offspring. It's reptilian .

Ha ha! You don't know how dead centre you hit the nail on this one, Kenny! Makes sense right down to the kind of occupation she works and thrives in.

Just like Adam and Eve's downfall, a blasted serpent always seems to assume such an attractive form, knowing just what to say.
 
Stop playing the fucken victim....

I did mentioned about keeping a guilt diary...but people thinks its stupid and retarded.

Try reserching on co-dependency. This thread is just the tip of the ice burge when it comes to toxic relationships.

 
Sorry, I got all het up and then I necroposted.

I'll go sit in the Time Out corner now.
 
I am all 8, (or really just 7, because number 8 involves never admitting to the other 7) I'm sure its wrong and bad or whatever, but it's just easier than whatever else people supposedly do. I am alone now and will remain that way because everyone who doesn't wanna play this stupid game wants to throw rocks and try to make us feel like hateful monsters.
 

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