The return of the troll, part 2

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Princess Cleocatra

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How does everyone feel about new members, should we stay with email verification, or go with admin activation? The former, could possibly allow a troll in, as what happened with lonely @ 18, the latter means either myself or Bjarne has to 'approve' new members before they can post. Please voice your opinions and let's keep this board clean of trolls once and for all!!!! It's us, against the trolls.
 
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Queen Cleocatra said:
How does everyone feel about new members, should we stay with email verification, or go with admin activation? The former, could possibly allow a troll in, as what happened with lonely @ 18, the latter means either myself or Bjarne has to 'approve' new members before they can post. Please voice your opinions and let's keep this board clean of trolls once and for all!!!! It's us, against the trolls.

Why are you so skeered of trolls? Every board has several. They need to be ridiculed and shown up for the pricks that they are, even though their capacity for pain is bottomless and their skill with language ******* pitiful. Admin activation sounds arbitrary to me. Let them in. We'll deal.
 
Sorry, but I don't agree, not all message boards have trolls.

But I do agree that they're otherwise pathetic and just plain idiotic. However, be that as it may, there are some people here who really do no need, nor do they deserve to be harassed, picked-on, ridiculed and frightened. This is a loneliness forum, not a hate-forum, and why should anyone here give some stupid troll the attention he/she is wanting.

ss7 said:
Queen Cleocatra said:
How does everyone feel about new members, should we stay with email verification, or go with admin activation? The former, could possibly allow a troll in, as what happened with lonely @ 18, the latter means either myself or Bjarne has to 'approve' new members before they can post. Please voice your opinions and let's keep this board clean of trolls once and for all!!!! It's us, against the trolls.

Why are you so skeered of trolls? Every board has several. They need to be ridiculed and shown up for the pricks that they are, even though their capacity for pain is bottomless and their skill with language ******* pitiful. Admin activation sounds arbitrary to me. Let them in. We'll deal.
 
i just want to say you admins did a good job deleting those vulgar posts fast, and I would be cautious registering that new penis guy, whenever the screenname penis in it, it just screams troll.

But ya either have admins regisister, or do both if it's not too much, because i think then you can only have one email account per screen name and if he wanted to try and registe again he'd have to get a new e-mail.

I personally don't want to have a troll here it's vulgar and really just not the place for one
 
Queen Cleocatra said:
... there are some people here who really do no need, nor do they deserve to be harassed, picked-on, ridiculed and frightened. This is a loneliness forum, not a hate-forum, and why should anyone here give some stupid troll the attention he/she is wanting.

Queen Cleocatra,

Pardon the cherry-picking, but not just some, but no one deserves to be harassed, picked-on, ridiculed or frightened. But to quote some random movie line, "Deservin's got nothin' to do with it." Trolls are a part of the scenery. If you can root them out at source, you have my unqualified admiration. But pardon me for being skeptical. A forum, at least in my mind, evokes the picture of a democracy. And in a democracy, everyone gets to have their say, even ********. If we are going to be shrinking violets and ban the ********, then we might as well drop the pretension of being a forum.

What next? Are we going to delete posts that we don't all agree with and get good vibes from? Even if they come from legit members?
 
You are correct; NO ONE here deserves to be harassed etc. Your opinion matters of course, and I admire your fortitude in how your feel about trolls, but before we give the trolls a soap box here, let's see what others have to say about it. The fact of the matter is quite simply this: if we allow the trolls to come here and torment others we are going to spook off many members who have a legitimate reason to be here AND it's going to make many lonely, depressed and otherwise sad individuals feel ever worse. People need to know genuine, decent and caring human beings, not trolls. That of course, is just my humble opinion.
 
Queen Cleocatra said:
You are correct; NO ONE here deserves to be harassed etc. Your opinion matters of course, and I admire your fortitude in how your feel about trolls, but before we give the trolls a soap box here, let's see what others have to say about it. The fact of the matter is quite simply this: if we allow the trolls to come here and torment others we are going to spook off many members who have a legitimate reason to be here AND it's going to make many lonely, depressed and otherwise sad individuals feel ever worse. People need to know genuine, decent and caring human beings, not trolls. That of course, is just my humble opinion.

Here's my opinion, stated with a clear head, on why admin activation sounds arbitrary to me.

There are a few different kinds of obnoxious people on the interwebs (besides me).

There are spammers. They will tirelessly flog links to their web sites. Ban them by all means. But do allow them at least one post, unless they are peddling something that the forum itself does not allow, like say, pornography. Some might actually benefit from following a link. You don't need admin activation for that. Spammers reveal themselves pretty quickly. Also, admin activation might actually generate false positives because it might ban a regular guy who is simply posting a link he found useful to himself.

There are the denial-of-service kind of trolls. They will spawn a hundred threads or clog discussion threads with a hundred identical posts. You cannot proactively deal with them thru admin activation. You can only clean up afterwards. Do ban them by all means though. And make sure the door does hit them on the ass.

Then there are the hopeless idjits like that LonelyFucker18 prick. The only reason these choice fools troll forums is because... is because... oh alright, I give up, I don't really know why these choice fools even bother to go near a keyboard.

In any case, these mental giants seem to have a immensely broad range of expression starting from "I M THE BADDEST MOFO" and going all the way upto "DO U WANNA SEE MY DCK". They seem to love starting conversations with the young female members; conversations that are entirely made up of their witty one-liners, usually signed off with a juicy picture.

It is of course pointless to engage them. You cannot engage someone whose waist size and IQ are identical. Ban them by all means. Admin activation might work with them unless a rare clever one starts off nice and drops the act afterwards. This is the only case where I see admin activation as being useful.

Where I really hesitate with admin activation though is when a new member starts off by telling us how pathetic we are and how we need to shape up and start marching to the band. Admin activation might promptly get rid of him because he is being hurtful and hateful to the members, after all.

Personally speaking, I don't want such people banned. We need to be told hard and seemingly cruel things. I find that replying to people who have a different view of the universe actually clarifies my own view, and sometimes changes my view. In a particular thread, someone called me a [perennial] loser. Replying to him/her/it actually crystallized a few things in my own mind. It made me more aware of myself.

Also, a harsh newcomer might actually offer useful advice after settling down a bit. Do we want to shut out that possibility? And even if he continues to be harsh without offering useful advice, then it is easy enough to ignore him or reply to him, depending on our own dispositions and mood. As I said before, everyone needs to be heard, even ********.

Personally, I don't want a cocoon, I want a forum.

That was my opinion, and my nay vote on admin activation.
 
since we have a problem with trolls i dont see what is wrong with having admin activation if you think that that will prevent them. As for lonely @ 18 ..yup he was completely disrespectful and wrong in what he did.. but he did not seem to be a '******' or anything like that.. he just seemed disturbed, and initially he did say that he was reaching out for help. I for one hope that he is okay and that he finds some sort of peace...

Even with admin-activation every once in a while he or someone like him can simply make up a new e-mail address.. n post the same offensive BS. But admin activation wod mean that that can't do it twice or three times in the same day, it will also give Q.Cleo and Bluey a lot more work and mean that someone in distress who is new to the site might have to wait a while b4 posting (that's not a big deal though)...

Maybe what you can do IF possible is have post with include cursing or certain words and those in which have pictures attached go through an approval process..lol (maybe a dumb idea..but i'm pc retarded okay..ask ALoner.. I know nothing!)

okay tis all from me.. Merry Christmas!

Humm lol..
 
jales said:
since we have a problem with trolls i dont see what is wrong with having admin activation if you think that that will prevent them. As for lonely @ 18 ..yup he was completely disrespectful and wrong in what he did.. but he did not seem to be a '******' or anything like that.. he just seemed disturbed, and initially he did say that he was reaching out for help. I for one hope that he is okay and that he finds some sort of peace...

Maybe it's just me, but I have a problem with people who disturb the peace of others in the process of finding their own. No matter how much you're hurting, there is simply no excuse for spreading hurt to others. In extreme cases, you end up with someone who physically hurts other people. I can find no sympathy in my heart for them. Sorry.


jales said:
Even with admin-activation every once in a while he or someone like him can simply make up a new e-mail address.. n post the same offensive BS. But admin activation wod mean that that can't do it twice or three times in the same day, it will also give Q.Cleo and Bluey a lot more work and mean that someone in distress who is new to the site might have to wait a while b4 posting (that's not a big deal though)...

Is that how it works? That someone can't do it two or three times a day if banned by admin activation? If so, you have a good point.

jales said:
Maybe what you can do IF possible is have post with include cursing or certain words and those in which have pictures attached go through an approval process..lol (maybe a dumb idea..but i'm pc retarded okay..ask ALoner.. I know nothing!)

Take out posts with curse words? What are trying to do, jales? Get all my posts deleted?

jales said:
okay tis all from me.. Merry Christmas!

Humm lol..

Merry Christmas, jales.
 
Jales,

You just sent me a strange personal message, probably a troll-like message.

Did you know about this?
 
lol yes! i was bored and online
i sent ha

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*hides face* sorry I thought you'd reply in a funny but positive way

note to self- my sense of humor sucks!
 
jales said:
lol yes! i was bored and online
i sent ha

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*hides face* sorry I thought you'd reply in a funny but positive way

note to self- my sense of humor sucks!

Hi, yeah, i didn't really like it, thought it was someone taking the mick, cos i was on this forum.

I'll let it pass now though. I'm sure we'll get to know each other in due course.
 
my deepest apologies lol. I should have been a bit more thoughtful n a little less random..
 
e.m.e. said:
isn't it just simpler to ban the IP of a user?

whats Lmao?

Some ppl have the ability to scramble an IP :( Its a problem

and LMAO means "laugh my ass off" :)
 
Queen Cleocatra said:
Sorry, but I don't agree, not all message boards have trolls.

But I do agree that they're otherwise pathetic and just plain idiotic. However, be that as it may, there are some people here who really do no need, nor do they deserve to be harassed, picked-on, ridiculed and frightened. This is a loneliness forum, not a hate-forum, and why should anyone here give some stupid troll the attention he/she is wanting.

Haven't seen much of you Queen, but I totally disagree. The only boards I have ever been on who don't have trolls, it is because they are to small to have more then just a few members. Any board of any size, they all have people who join for the sole purpose of ticking people off.

ss7 said:
Pardon the cherry-picking, but not just some, but no one deserves to be harassed, picked-on, ridiculed or frightened. But to quote some random movie line, "Deservin's got nothin' to do with it." Trolls are a part of the scenery. If you can root them out at source, you have my unqualified admiration. But pardon me for being skeptical. A forum, at least in my mind, evokes the picture of a democracy. And in a democracy, everyone gets to have their say, even ********. If we are going to be shrinking violets and ban the ********, then we might as well drop the pretension of being a forum.

What next? Are we going to delete posts that we don't all agree with and get good vibes from? Even if they come from legit members?

Well, some trolls I think are infact lonely and may behave the way they do because they want to be hated so that they can feel that it isn't their fault how they feel. Yes, it's twisted. Like basically they feel hated and lonely. So they strike out so that they can feel justified in feeling the way they do by making people "really" dislike them. I think most people have struck out at others at some point in their life for basically this same reason. It just doesn't make much sense to make a habbit of it as most people should only feel even worse.

That said, if peoples post's aren't ment to be constructive then I don't see much point in tolerating behavior that's sole purpose is just to make people feel worse. I do think it's dangerous for one person to go around censoring things though. Sometimes people quite simply don't see things in the same way others do and so what one person might find comforting, someone else may find insulting.

e.m.e. said:
isn't it just simpler to ban the IP of a user?

whats Lmao?

Bluey got the one definition. There is also ROFLMAO
Which is rolling on the floor laughing my ass off.

I have been on the net a long time so know most net lingo if anyone ever has a question as to what some abreviation means.


As far as how activation is done. Well, I suppose catching insulting names is useful. Though you could just catch them after the fact.
I don't have so much of a problem with someone posting a few absurd things that get removed and they get kicked latter that day. I have a problem with someone causing trouble over week or months and just getting by with it. So many message boards have a huge number of threads that are little more then long pointless flames. With no real discussion or communication at all.
 

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