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Hi all, I'm new to this forum, I'm from the UK, and I thought I'd write about my thoughts, feelings, and experiences I've had in trying to socialise.

Well, first of all, I will be 24 years old on the 24th of this month, and I am affected by asperger's syndrome, and that makes socialising all the more difficult. This topic is a major, major difficulty for me. However; one way or another, the difficulty with trying to talk to a young woman around my age is just one issue out of many.

Whatever the case is I know without a doubt that the internet is the best place for myself and my difficulties, in hopes to be able to socialise with someone without meeting face-to-face at first. I need to build a bond strong enough with someone on the internet before agreeing to meet in any way, shape or form. Of course, I'm aware that Skype would be the best option before meeting at all. That I am aware of first of all, I know what I need to do, I know I will have to build a bond strong enough to feel comfortable about meeting later on.

However; the difficulty first of all comes down to interests. Now, I am interested in many different subjects, but none of them to a greater extent. Generally, living on the spectrum I would normally have a specialist interest, however; the only knowledge I know extensively about, bar the years and dates, is some of the history of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms (RotTK) of China. Now, this is not going to be a general topic that most girls would be interested in. I'm aware of that. It's no good writing to someone further afield since I have difficulties travelling. As I find travelling difficult, it's all very well writing to someone knowledgeable about subjects such as RotTK, but it's another thing entirely if they live very far away.

However; be that as it may, that is not the only subject I am interested in, just a subject I could bore many people to sleep with, which is why I do not talk about it much at all. Now, do you see why I'm finding it difficult basing a starting point with talking about interests, if my knowledge is squarely in a subject that not a lot of people would know about? I do like Japanese and Chinese culture, especially the modern Japanese entertainment, their history, and culture, however; a big point I have to add is my levels of depression. Now, you see, having difficulties with travelling means that being reminded by someone talking about how they are able to travel to Japan themselves, and talking to me about how great it was, etc., well, it's not really going to help my self-esteem. Another difficulty is that since I'm interested in Japanese animation (anime), I will find it difficult since I do not dress up in cosplay outfits and go to crowded conventions, and I don't draw manga (drawn form of anime), but those that are interested most likely would. I am also a photographer, a nature photographer to be exact, but I am also aware that photography is a very competitive art form, if I were to socialise with another photographer, I could most likely imagine that they would consider me to be more of a competition than to build a social bond. These are just some of my interests, but I hope you can get the idea of the difficulties I'm having.

Not only that, but I've tried dating websites, bad move I'm aware, and pen pal websites, but from what I've seen, the girls I've looked at turn out to be repetitions of each other, with very little between them. A lot of them say the same types of things, and more often than not I am finding little to no matching interests. Not only that, but in pen pal websites, I've seen people in my area writing no description at all, I am not telepathic, and I wouldn't judge on image, as much as I'd find personality far more important. Besides I'm looking for open-minded individuals who wouldn't be put off by aperger's syndrome. Not only that, but I've found websites that are for those on the spectrum extremely unhelpful, there are few results for people around my area, and not all of them have photographs of themselves. I do not feel comfortable writing to people I do not feel safe to write to. Those that boast that they have more options for those on the spectrum, cost a fortune to join and monthly costing as well.

A lot of the people that I've seen online seem to be either mirror images of each other with little difference in personality and other than that, I find people that say they have very little time to socialise, how am I suppose to get to know someone if they are so busy?

Generally, it's bad enough trying to socialise on the spectrum as it is, but to keep coming across so many barriers, it causes me so much trauma, so much depression, anger, annoyance, frustration, many emotions, and no solutions that I've found.

Mind you, all of this is just a fraction of what I've come across, and the difficulties I have in general, but I hope this can give a general idea.
 
In 2007, at age 42, I was told by an expert on adult asperger's that I had "asperger-like manifestations." Those had been much more pronounced when I was young. But I seem to have totally left them behind, and, now, at age 50, I'd say that I don't have even a hint of asperger's. Not sure if you've ever heard of something like that happening.

Anyway, for someone with asperger's, learning to socialize is a bit like being in first year of medical school. You get ten thousand technical terms dumped on you in the first three weeks of the first semester, and your focus becomes surviving by memorizing them and their definitions. After that med school gets much, much easier. For someone with asperger's, social things are going to be just that kind of foreign, technical world that has to be understood in terms of the structures used to understand it. It's not something you're going to understand organically, the way neurotypicals come to understand it, so you pretty much have to apply your mind to studying it like a science.

Hope that helps.
 
mickey said:
Anyway, for someone with asperger's, learning to socialize is a bit like being in first year of medical school. You get ten thousand technical terms dumped on you in the first three weeks of the first semester, and your focus becomes surviving by memorizing them and their definitions. After that med school gets much, much easier. For someone with asperger's, social things are going to be just that kind of foreign, technical world that has to be understood in terms of the structures used to understand it. It's not something you're going to understand organically, the way neurotypicals come to understand it, so you pretty much have to apply your mind to studying it like a science.

^ Good analogy.

Several members of the forum have Asperger's, including myself, so I'm sure there are individuals who can relate.
 
I agree with everything you've said, mickey, and thank you both, mickey and Solivagent for your replies, :). Socialising in a neurotypical is like learning a foreign and technical language, I've heard someone online say something similar as well. I can understand that, and yet, at the same time, I've heard of those on the spectrum trying to 'imitate' neurotypicals to try to 'fit in', but I can just imagine the stresses that would put you through, and the tension that would build up until you couldn't take it anymore. I couldn't alter myself just to 'fit in' with others, it's against my principles, but at the same time, I keep seeing repeats upon repeats, and I find very few, if any, with a difference in personality.

I need to find people that are open-minded, understanding or willing to learn to, intellectual but not based on class, -_-, but I've had no success. The trouble is, on top of this, I look towards a certain member of my extended family, and her total lack of understanding of my asperger's syndrome, and since she's just a year younger than me. I see reflections in her attitude and photos of herself that appear every time I've seen the typical young women on the websites I'm on. It's diva, diva, diva, all the way, -_-. I see people more interested in appearance than personality. I've learnt a long time ago how irresponsible that is, and how if you base everything upon looks you'll most likely find backstabbers that would turn their back on you when you least expect it. Basing this upon my cousin, I'm aware that not all young women are like this, but I'm sick of seeing some people basing you upon the confidence or the lack of, that you have as well. I am not super-human, >.<;.

Another thing, when it comes to communication, I'm trying to get better, first writing about general interests like photography, nature, sitting out in the garden watching the birds, and gardening, but I don't even know if that's good enough. I mean, gardening may be seen more of a hobby for someone older, but with me, my interests can spark new ones little by little every time I explore a current interest of mine. For example, I became interested in gardening after watching and taking photographs of the birds out in the garden, and taking photos of the plants themselves.

However; on top of all this, there are many other issues, I am also not only affected by asperger's syndrome, but Sensory Processing Disorder and OCD, now, this opens up so many, many barriers, both at present, and into the future as well. I can see my work cut out for me, >.<. In truth, I would hope that I would find someone with enough of an open-mind, acceptance, patience, and understanding to work around my difficulties and not become put off by them. I can't help them, but I don't wish them to make life difficult either. I would wish to help them to get used to it as much as possible, and I would try my best to balance out in the best way I can.

Now, anxiety is a major, major affliction, and not only that, believe it or not, but I believe my own mother is on the spectrum as well. Now, my mother has a tremendous amount of anxiety herself, which doesn't really help me since I have no other family member to turn to for help, >.<. I'm sure you can imagine, but it may not be the same for every person on the spectrum, but I don't get along with my extended family either, they have never understood my asperger's syndrome in the least. To them I am either supposed to be canner autistic or Einstein, and to them, there is nothing in between, so 'there is nothing wrong with you', is their opinion. This angers me so much that I cannot even face meeting them since it brings upon immediate meltdowns. I also have an older sister, and before you ask, no there is no way she could help me. There is a long story, but she is in Wales after a period of 10 years of running away from my father, after my mother and father divorced. For those 10 years, I had no contact with my sister whatsoever, then she comes back onto the scene out of nowhere and expects me to just cope with it. Building a brother and sister bond after a period of 10 years when you're on the spectrum takes time and patience, not to mention she had no idea I was on the spectrum to begin with. I was diagnosed while she was away. I would also need to gradually get used to the idea of having a sister that I haven't seen for a large portion of my life. On top of all that, she lives far away in Wales, whereas I'm in England, and I find travelling difficult.

Family aside, anxiety is so major that I would hope that the young woman I would be communicating with can understand the difficulties I would have, and I hope they could understand, much further down the line, if I found it a tremendous challenge to perform the usual expectant task of, once meeting, ordering a drink, food, or even freezing at the very presence of themselves in the first place. I could easily freeze up altogether, I know I'd need to base the beginning conversation upon a shared interest, since I find it much easier talking about something I'm interested in. Not to mention, I hope they'd understand why I'd find it difficult to show eye contact, particularly in the first few meetings/Skype video messages.

I am glad that there are some other members on this forum that have asperger's syndrome and hopefully can relate to some of what I'm saying. I feel like I'm at my wit's end, and loneliness is an incredibly harsh pain. Not to mention, I absolutely detest one very aspect, time. Time is my enemy, time has always moved mercilessly and I've been subjected to its flow. I may only be 23 years old at the moment, but every birthday I experience is like another year of loneliness, and I've felt emotional pain for so many years, -_-. It's even worse when you have social difficulties on the spectrum, and whenever I've noticed members of my peer group having success socially in ways I've dreamt of for so many years of my life, I feel like my heart is being cut in two. I feel so alone, so much anguish, but I can't give up, though I don't have much hope, :(. Every time I try in one way, shape or form, I fail, and no matter what I do, my depression gets worse and worse, all because I feel so alienated from my generation. I do not want to change myself, I need to find someone that can accept me for who I am, and not expect me to alter myself just to 'fit in'. I feel that to achieve such a feat is nothing but a pipe dream in a world full of many with duplicate personalities and very little uniqueness, difference, and an open mind to that very concept.
 
It's a barrier that most potential mates would evaluate you as "not a good catch." You could perhaps compensate for that with a six-figure salary at a prestigious job and lots of material toys, but then you'd be most likely to enter into an arrangement of mutual exploitation with a materialistic mate rather than find genuine partnership in life. The only alternative is to look for a potential partner who doesn't think in terms of who is a good catch and who isn't. Such people are almost impossible to find because catch-evaluation is hardwired into us, and other living things that reproduce sexually base their mating decisions ENTIRELY on catch-evaluation. There are, however, both men and women who transcend the animal within us all and evaluate potential mates in strictly human terms. It's an advantage that such people tend to be hardheadedly practical rather than unconscious and mood-driven in choosing mates. To attract such a mate you'd have to demonstrate to her that you have something to contribute to her life, over the course of at least several years, and that having a stake in your well-being would be of benefit to her. That wouldn't necessarily be mutual exploitation because, if she's smart enough to transcend the beast within her anyway, she's smart enough to make a genuine commitment to your well-being provided that you make one in hers. You're actually well positioned to be able to tell whether she's willing to enter into a genuine partnership or looking for mutual exploitation--and, if you're well disposed enough toward her to accept the latter, I ain't gonna judge you for it.

The thought that pops into my head is that you should pursue higher education and take it as far as you can, including post-graduate study following obtaining a Ph.D. I don't recommend a professional school such as law or engineering because the social component of being a professional is very high, and the professions are savagely cutthroat, which requires exceptional social skill to navigate. Becoming an academic could suit you well because you could meet a disproportionately high number of women who might be a good fit for you, and who might even have wellness issues in common with you. Which discipline? One option is biological chemistry, because the demographics of the biological sciences are female-heavy and chemistry would fit some with asperger's better than biology. In the 21st century psychology is another option. You could acquire the conscious tools to evaluate your own mental states and observational skills to understand other people's behavior and thoughts when you interact with them, and there's tons of women in psychology. But stick to the research side of psychology because clinical psychology is a disaster area and very poorly regarded by associated professions such as psychiatry and medicine.

All of this would mean putting off your search for a mate until after you've got your Ph.D., but there's a chance you could meet a suitable mate along the way--or at least have some fun with colleagues who understand and accept you. :)
 
you know, I would post in this thread…having read all of it, but I have no advice to give you. I too at times have felt that I don't match most people and I empathize with the frustration of ahving a niche interest that most people don't share. Most people enjoy mindless entertainment as hobbies rather than challenging themselves. It reminds me of the IQ curve. Most people are in the middle. Most reading material is at a 5th grade level, novels are at this level. And if your reading level is 10th grade? Too bad, you aren't the majority that the publishing industry is pandering to.

So where do you go? And those faces that people make, and their thoughts that they think that are unkind…I have difficulty understanding them. But, not because I have AS. I just suck at reading body lanuage, though I do try. IT was one of the things that kept me from being a counselor. I wanted to be one more than anything in the world, but ….yeah.

You seem to view your disability as a barrier and maybe it is, but, perhaps if you were less ashamed of it and more proud/open…people would respond with curiosity rather than think you were being creepy or weird by unknowingly crossing social boundaries and silent rules that everyone follows.

I just learned about public bathroom ettiquette the other day. Apparently you arent' supposed to do #2 when there are other people in the restroom with you. You have to wait until they leave. Who knew that people paid so much attention or cared about each other's bowel movements?

I want to start a garden too. :)
 
HoodedMonk,

Where is this that you can't take a crap in the privacy of a closed stall unless the rest of the bathroom is empty? Sounds like the most rigid and hidebound environment I've ever heard. Remind me never to visit there.
 
mickey said:
HoodedMonk said:



Do we live in 13th century Mongolia? Those two links are the stupidest thing I've ever seen.



Yes it came as quite the shock to me especially since I've just thought that the bathrooms were where people went and did their business without question or pause as long as it didn't end up with urine splatter on the toilet seat or an unflushed toilet.

'parently I was wrong.
 
you can take a crap no matter who is in the bathroom? What kind of nonsense is that? Can't take a crap unless your alone? Horse honeysuckle...

You can crap with the **** stall door open if you want, don't think I would, but the police aren't going to come after you.

anyway...

I think I'll make my actually response to AS B. in a different post...


One thing I'd like to point out AS B. is the uncertainty principle and how it applies to psychology as a science.

Let's say you have a 5 year old with a particular behavior observed by person A. Now, you must understand that, the act of observing behavior (X) from the five year old, is dependent on the observer, and is influenced BY the very act of observation. Now extrapolate this to the field of psychology, where diagnosis is dependent upon the act of observation, an act itself which invariably influences the behavior being observed.

Now consider the population of people in the world. Now consider the population of psychologists who are 'paper qualified to certify paper diagnoses'. What you end up with is a very very limited scope of observation of behavior. Not only is that scope very limited, but it's presence actually influences that which it studies.

A lot of what I have read, from what you have written, seems to be frustration at socializing as a behavioral function as well as contempt for those who seem to thrive in that environment. Now I ask you to consider your limited scope of observation. I also ask you to consider the limited scope of those who have observed you. Now I ask you to consider the ways in which those who have observed you have influenced you. And now lastly, I make a wild guess at asking you to consider the influence your observation has on what you observe.

The frustration that arises from your limited scope of observation of behaviors in others, does not reveal that which you can not measure by the act of your observation. What sort of oddly, disjointed, non-magnetic behavioral patterns lie behind these very very superficial and very well, 'crafted', displays of behavior patterns?

Or more simply put, if there is something wrong with you, to what then is the measure of what is right?

I doubt any of this will so much as change the trajectory of your mental state, as it seems it has acquired a significant amount of momentum. However, the act of observing it, will and does influence it in a minute and possibly highly unpredictable manner. Thusly so, a balm to your ailments may be possible.

As for my personal experience, I wrestle very heavily at the current moment with a multitude of socially related retardations I can't even begin to explain. However, in my latest great failure, and in the light of many more to come, I've recently finished reading a book, to which one of the gems I've gleamed from it was to, 'work on improving your strengths, rather than waste energy on fixing weaknesses.'

If I were to be blinded for the rest of my life in a car accident. I could waste a hell of a lot of time and energy focusing on that weakness, blindness. And for a time, in mourning it's loss I may. However, in the end, in order to progress and continue on with life, I would benefit much more greatly by improving my strengths. Those strengths would be my hearing. My sense of taste. My sense of touch and smell. The things that still function and CAN be improved upon, unlike my sight, which can not be improved, because I am blind.

Good luck to you. You can catch a butterfly, but it's not quite the same as one landing on you unexpectedly and just as quickly flying off out into that which is beyond your perception.
 
I can understand what you're saying mickey, and I agree with a lot of what you've said, but at the same time, when it comes to education, it opens up a massive topic in itself, -_-.

1. The same year that I was diagnosed with ASD, when I was 14 years old, I experienced a breakdown following an incident that led to me getting interrogated by the P.E. teacher, who was coincidently also the head of year in my secondary school. It traumatised me so much for so many reasons. I was also betrayed by my only friend who turned his back on me and wouldn't help me when I needed his support. Not to mention, the other student involved in the incident, having largely caused it himself, never admitted his guilt and just asked if I was alright. How was I alright? I was facing the head of year, in the P.E. gym with two classes, alone. How did he expect me to feel? Whatever the case, in the process, I just broke down in tears, for at least a week. I couldn't go back to that prison called a 'school'.

2. Since that incident, I am beset with triggers, triggers that ensue every time I approach, or hear of the topic about an educational facility. It brings all that pain back tenfold. Not to mention, I explained this very feeling to someone on another forum, and I was told, in private messages, that I sounded like a 'child', -_-. I didn't need to hear that, I can't help that life has traumatised me so much that every time I encounter triggers I am reminded of my painful past, in whatever form. These triggers came about because of the people I met and the environment I was in, it just shows you how important these two key elements are, but are so poorly rectified.

3. Which reminds me, my breakdown at secondary school was the follow on from so many different bullying incidents, but there have been two experiences that have been extremely hurtful, and very much related to this forum. The change of emotional occurrences. What I mean by this is, that you have to understand how it would have impacted me at the time. Pains felt when we are young can sometimes be some of the most painful, and when you have social difficulties and feel like a misfit, well, it emphasises the encounters and tragedies. You have to understand, I was alone for the majority of my school life, especially in terms of feeling like I could open up to someone. Every time I walked around the playgrounds, I would notice how other children were finding it so easy mingling with others, playing their little games of running around, when I just wanted to have a conversation, -_-. Every day at school, whenever I was in the playground I would reflect on life, compare it to my cousin's, compare it to the other children, look towards my future, and every time I did I grew more and more familiar with the harshness of life. I grew up very quickly facing the hardships of school. By the time I was 10 years old, I was betrayed by my first 'friend', and this followed a particularly tragic encounter that scarred me so much that I bottled my pain up for many, many years. In fact, it was only several years ago I opened up about my feelings. I was tricked by a bully of mine to tell him my crush and he then told her. This crush then came up to me, after I froze, called me a 'creep', and needless to say, to a 10 year old boy on the spectrum who already felt alienated, well, it was like I was hit with a sledgehammer. It was so odd, it was like at that very instant all my reflections on life up until that point were concentrated, and I felt totally dead inside. I was lost, but I was so aware. It's strange, but I felt like I gained about as much knowledge as I was despairing. I was aware that my levels of cautiousness took over. I knew not to trust so readily after that, and I learnt that lesson well and truly.

That's not even half the story, it continues to secondary school. In the same year of my breakdown, just earlier that year, guess what took place? I found myself in yet another emotional encounter, this time totally different. It happened when I was 13 years old, earlier in the same year as my breakdown. This time three girls in my year, but in a higher class than me, came up to me, and told me of their friend's crush on me. This friend was standing in the middle, with a shy smile on her face. Can you imagine the thoughts spinning around my analytical mind? I was thinking so many different things. At first I was shocked, taken aback by this unexpected encounter, it even felt reminiscent for me, except for the friend over bully part. However; it was because of that reminiscence that I travelled deeper, and realised, "Hang on a minute, I was called a 'creep' by another girl over crushes, how do I know they aren't teasing me, and are only just waiting for my reaction?". In truth, I'd never seen them before, I had no idea where she came from. I wonder if she noticed me from afar and asked her friends to build the courage to talk to me. I didn't know, and to be honest, all these years later, I don't want to know. I do know, however; my response at the time. I just said, "Oh, okay...thanks", thinking it was all just a bully attempt. In truth, I guess it's not such a bad thing to say, but I could have at least asked her name! Anyway, long story short, half of me wonders whether it was emotional pain that weakened me the most before my breakdown since it was a feeling I felt for a long time, especially after I became so aware of life, and having no friends to talk to. In truth, I'm sure the severity of my breakdown was the follow on from all of my pains from 'school', -_-.

This is another example of where time is my most vicious enemy. I was cursed to see that same girl two more times years after my breakdown. The first time I saw her after my breakdown, she was serving at a booth in a building society. I didn't recognise her at first, until I focused on her shy smile. I was frozen, totally stunned. My mum was there at the time, and she was talking to her, but mum had no idea what significance this girl was to me, -_-. When this girl told us her name, I was so frozen, it never sunk in, >.<. I clearly shocked her as well since she made a mistake with the money, but even then I couldn't say a word to her. There were too many people around, my anxiety was very high, and to be honest, after all that time, the chances of her being single was an extremely slim prospect. I am glad I didn't say anything since I don't think I could have coped with another bout of emotional pain. I then saw her again at my local park, but again, she was surrounded by too many people and my anxiety was too high. In some senses, I'm glad again I didn't approach her, I know I couldn't have coped hearing the harsh truth. I will never forget the pain that those evil bullies at school caused me, being punched is a pain that can be painful, but a pain involving your emotions can carry much further, especially when you have social difficulties. I will always look back to my school life with utter contempt, and that will never change. The trick is finding the other lost souls like myself, aware of what life can throw at you, trying to find genuine people themselves.

In the end, I don't want to look back to those damaging times, but I do know that I have to learn from them. At the same time, I cannot avoid those triggers, an educational facility in any form and seeing people in relationships around me, well, it would not only bring it all back, but it would also widen the pain to a greater extent.

4. Following my breakdown at secondary school, through my statement of special educational needs, I shut the door physically and mentally to all authority figures following that interrogation at school. I didn't trust the powers they had and how they could easily abuse it. I had to be taught from behind my bedroom door for 5 and a half years with the help of two home and hospital tutors, that were like hot and cold with their teaching styles (one was more structured in teaching than the other). However you may view the concept of being taught from behind my bedroom door, it was extremely helpful. I could concentrate on my work with no distractions, and I could ask questions to the two tutors directly without having to worry about their eyes on me. My Speech and Language Therapist (SALT) trained as an invigilator so that I could complete my exams at home, in my living room. She had to have her back to me (as I couldn't face her (I couldn't face professional figures following my breakdown)) and I was allowed to have my mother in the living room as well. Anyway, through all this, I was able to pass my exams, and I achieved a distinction in photography and a merit in web designing. It helped me so much, and if I didn't have that teaching, I would have never been able to write the way I am now. In fact, I've seen the old planner that I wrote in at secondary school, and my spelling and grammar were atrocious. I've come a long way, and it was all thanks to one of my tutors, the one that was organised.

Anyway, on top of all this when you go onto one of these dating or pen pal websites, -_-, they generally have a drop down menu for 'Education', there is no room to say that I was taught at home, >.<. Talk about stereotyping people and secluding you if you don't fit into the typical, :(.

5. In all those 5 and a half years, not one 'professional' was willing to help me. I couldn't attend the meetings myself, but whenever my mother attended these meetings, they never came to a single decision on anything. I was left with nothing. I can remember one of these so called 'professionals' coming to talk to me from behind my bedroom door once, but for one he was so quiet, he was barely audible since it sounded like he spoke in whispers, -_-. When he did speak louder, he suggested a possibility of communicating over the computer, but he left soon after, and absolutely nothing came of it, so what was that all about I wonder, >.<.

6. When I reached 19 years of age, my statement of special educational needs ended, I was left with nothing. Nothing at all. My home and hospital tutor left me to finish the web designing course, which wasn't completed. I was lost, particularly since the distance learning course tutor couldn't see my website. It took me so many emails backwards and forwards trying to find a solution to the problem that it exhausted me. As it exhausted me so much I had to drop the C++ coding since I couldn't focus. In response to this I received a merit grade, and the answer that came back from the distance learning course tutor, the same tutor that exhausted me, was that I should have included C++ coding. Really, then I wish he could have seen what it was like having been left to pick up the pieces without my home and hospital tutor to help me to resolve the error I was facing.

Needless to say, the statement of special educational needs ending so suddenly and abruptly, leaving me with nothing, and no following help, completely obliterated my chance to learn in the way I felt most comfortable. On top of being able to learn without distraction from my surroundings, from both people and triggers. I was left, and no one came to help me in any way.

7. Not only that, but the understanding of the autistic spectrum in the UK is practically non-existent, particularly for someone in my situation. You see, I'm not in mainstream school or attended a special school, I was left with nothing following the ending of my statement of special educational needs. My triggers following the treatment I received from my peer group is debilitating, and I cannot trust 'professionals' on so many levels, not to mention it was the system itself that split my family and affected all of us in our own ways. Due to all of this, I end up falling through the net. I can't help that I ended up having a breakdown that caused me to leave school, and I can't help that causes triggers. I can't help that I couldn't cope with attending a special school either since I felt that a group of people collectively so soon after my breakdown was too much for me to take. I class 'professionals' as those with authority, as they have too much power at their disposal, and from witnessing the interrogation from the P.E teacher/head of year (who knew I had difficulties, especially after the letters my mother sent in to explain my difficulties with P.E. due to my OCD, should have also known what an impact an interrogation would have had on me), to so called 'professionals' that attend meetings after meetings, coming to no helpful, and undamaging decisions, that would actually help, and even then, following the suggestion of a digital way, completely left, leaving me with nothing, -_-.

8. Like it or not, I know people say that asperger's syndrome isn't a disability, but it really depends on what you mean by the word 'disability'. I have my own share of difficulties that, if they are not accustomed to, I will be unable to cope in an environment that is out of my comfort zone. I couldn't concentrate, and I would be unable to learn, take everything in, and I would experience so many meltdowns that it would lead to further breakdowns. This is not simply due to the mass of people around me, it is also because of the triggers I've mentioned relating to emotional pain, and authority figures. Basically, I am 'disabled' because this country is creating an environment that is anti-my coping levels. If I was surrounded by an environment that was more suited to my asperger's syndrome, and didn't spark triggers, then I may have a chance, but until then, I wouldn't be able to cope. I've read a saying somewhere, it goes something like, 'You shouldn't learn the way they teach, they should teach you in a way you can learn', emphasising the word 'can'. However; they don't, at least not since my statement of special educational needs ended. I could concentrate so effectively since one of my home and hospital tutors was able to structure my lessons so well.

Anyway, considering I cannot cope in a built teaching environment, and the fact that I can't cope with communication with strangers over the phone, well, it does in some senses mean I am 'disabled' in the way I need to be taught, and that needs to be recognised and to find a way I can cope with learning. I have thought about Open University, however; there is another important point. The government in this country has cut higher education for those with learning difficulties, well, I have a certain way I can cope with learning, so technically, I do have my own set of difficulties that needs to be worked around. If that funding is cut, how am I expected to just cope like that!? Not only that, I've heard that in some countries you don't even have to pay to take a course in a university, not that I would even be able to cope, but that is most certainly not the case in Britain, -_-. On top of that, they've also increase student fees. Yes, increased student fees. That means many, many students will find themselves in debt by the time they are finished with their courses! If you are lucky enough to even get to university on the spectrum, those students begin to notice the help they thought would be there, isn't, and they are forced to leave. I can see, without a shadow of a doubt, that this country is based purely and simply on class system. Those with enough money and ability are allowed to progress, but those that are poor and struggling to survive in a world with massive propaganda and prejudice are left with nothing. I'm sorry, but it just makes me so angry, this country makes me sick. I'm finding it one of the biggest challenges of my life just to find members of my peer group who are open-minded enough towards my asperger's syndrome, I also have to equally find people that are aware of the outright corruption spreading like a plague over, not just this country, but the world. I haven't found one person in my generation yet that has understood that, and it's disheartening, :(. You see, I need to find people that 'do not judge a book by its cover', not just about my issues, but about what is really going on out there as well. I could go on and on about corruption, but it's because of so much propaganda and prejudice that I am having so much difficulty.

On a personal level, my extended family are prime examples of taking their 'thoughts' and 'opinions' from the stereotype. You see, none of them have seen me 24/7, and not one of them has the right to say one word about what I can and cannot cope with. I wish, with all my heart, that every single person I've ever met in my life could, not just spend a day, week, month, or decade witnessing my experiences in life, but a lifetime. I wonder what their thoughts would be then, -_-. I know that will never happen, but I know, since they do not know what it is like living on the spectrum or living with someone that does, I can almost certainly be sure that it will be no different with other people either, unless they have a mind open enough. Life isn't the same for everyone, what might be easy for one person, may not be for another. I mean, this forum itself is about loneliness and emotional pain, we find it difficult to find our significant others, but again, this may be something that another may not understand. This is what I'm talking about, in order to have a mind open enough is to realise that it's not always the same for others. No one is perfect in this world, I've known that for many, many years of my life. I learnt that the hard way, as I learnt difference. Personally, I find difference to be something special, but at the same time, in this chaotic world, difference is mostly shunned upon by the repetitive clones of, what I like to call the zombie race, those following obediently without questioning what's around them, -_-. I really wish, with all my heart, that more people would wake up to what's around them, especially in my generation. I'm sure there are, but they are too few and far between, especially for my social difficulties, >.<;.

All of this opens a can of worms, and I've tried explaining this so many times. It tires me out, but it is all important, and all relevant.

What drives me forwards is the pain I feel in my loneliness, it's a pain I've felt for so many years of my life. I've faced bullies, backstabbing 'friends', alienation, and the merciless pendulum swings of time. Through all that, I am torn between ultimate depression and an unbreakable resolve. I am moved by both, my mind and my heart, depression and resolve, machine and human. My analytic mind over the conviction to find true genuine people that I can feel comfortable talking to. There are times I can't stand it anymore, and times when I want to try to find at least one thread of light in this chaotic world.


On the subject of toilets, it's a bit disconnected from my original topic, but in some senses, I suppose it can be vaguely related to social disconnection, as in misunderstandings, or general etiquette. Personally, I could never cope in public toilets to begin with, I have to go to disabled toilets because I can't cope with being surrounded by other people, it both increases my anxiety, and makes me uncomfortable. Disabled toilets aren't brilliant, and some can be a bit unclean, >.<;, some disabled toilets can be a nightmare, -_-. However; over anxiety and privacy, I know which I would opt for. The only other issue is whether someone with a physical disability, such as in a wheelchair may find it odd for someone that looks able-bodied is going into a disabled toilet. To that I say, but I can't literally with my anxiety, -_-, is that there are difficulties we experience that you can't see with your eyes, you'd have to understand the person to realise how their anxiety affects them. Not only that, there may also be people that have certain other health problems, or difficulties that you can't see with your eyes either, doesn't mean you are any less entitled than someone with a visible disability.

HoodedMonk, I'm glad you're interested in gardening, what kind of garden do you like? As I am largely interested in Japan and China, I love the oriental plants. I have three acers, one red, green, and the other has leaves that are more intricate in shape. I have this Pierus Mountain Fire which I hope later this summer will display lily of the valley like flowers: http://www.greenerearthnursery.com/...6e5fb8d27136e95/p/i/pieris_mountian_fires.jpg. These are just a couple of examples of the plants I have in the garden, and both are Japanese, :).
Not only that, but I've also grown an interest in wildflowers, I've been collecting some and putting them in pots around the garden, and covering the base to stop the roots from invading, lol. The flowers, or general foliage can be really interesting with some plants, the wildflower called Herb Robert is a good example of what I mean, here is link to some pictures so you can see for yourself: http://www.michwildflowers.com/geraniaceae/herbrobert.html. I love this plant since it can remind me of various other plants, the acer/maple for example with the variety from red and green stalks, leaves, the buds look almost alien-like, and the flowers have almost a raspberry ripple effect.

Getting away from the subject of toilets, xD. The general stereotypical etiquette in terms of emotion would be that as a male you're generally expected to have bucket loads of confidence which a lot of young women would prefer, -_-. From what I've gathered over time, social etiquette when it comes to talking to young women, and dates in general is where a lot of people on the spectrum would struggle greatly. I am aware of the obvious social etiquette, I don't speak bluntly, >.<, after all, I'm sensitive myself. However; the worst etiquette of all is the stereotypical kind. The man is usually seen as the person to perform all the usual tasks like buying drinks, food, or anything related. What happens if the man has anxiety? Well, we are dropped over those who are more able to work under such pressures. Yet, what they don't understand is that the more anxieties we have, the more human we are, and are less likely to betray, backstab and treat them badly; I certainly know I wouldn't. See, this is another reason, a little further down the road, maybe, but nevertheless, this is another issue I can see I'm going to face, -_-.
 
This thread is a revelation, and a relief to find others who feel even somewhat as I do: not just disconnected and isolated from the others around me, but barely even the same species. I try to wear the same mask and costume, speak the lines, and follow the stage instructions, but it never seems to work, in micro- or macrocosm. I have friends, but I have to fight to keep from revealing how I truly feel about everything they say and do, their situations, and how alien it all is to me. It's no wonder my biological CPU wants to just shut down; I try to observe and gather intel, but the further I go into that labyrinth, the more crushingly lost I become. I've been trying and failing for almost 52 years, going from hermitage to short term collapse to exasperation and finally, now, to just wanting to leave this farcical stage behind. I read these posts and I see just how surreal it can become, and I just wonder at the utter swirling madness of it all. Was I ever serious, wanting to be part of all of this? I honestly feel like a bat who was adopted by a family of delusional giraffes.
 
Hey, I am kind of the same way as you OP.

The best way I know of to cope with your social disadvantage is to talk to as many people as you can every day.

This will train you to socialize with different people thus improving your social capabilities.

Fake it till you make it.
 

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