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#31
If I were in your position and faced the situation you described, I would advise the complainer that the rules exist for a reason and that, if they're unwilling to abide by them, perhaps ALL is not the right place for them. Nobody is claiming it would be a smooth transition for everyone, but as Teresa pointed out, a little transparency in the system of governance here on ALL wouldn't hurt and would give a lot of people some peace of mind.
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#32
(02-09-2016, 07:22 AM)VanillaCreme Wrote: No one should have to be told not to do something that's obviously wrong in order to just not do it.

But that's the issue though. Sometimes that is exactly what is necessary.
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#33
(02-09-2016, 08:06 AM)lifestream Wrote: If I were in your position and faced the situation you described, I would advise the complainer that the rules exist for a reason and that, if they're unwilling to abide by them, perhaps ALL is not the right place for them.

That's nice that you (or anyone) would think that would be sufficient enough. To just tell them, "If you don't agree, then perhaps this is not the place for you," doesn't typically work because then we get insults thrown at us about being incompetent and about them wanting to leave because the forum is not a fair place because the rules weren't bent for them or because they just don't want to listen to what's being said to them.

I completely understand what you've been saying though. It's not that I disagree completely. It's the fact that no matter what, people will still complain, somewhere along the line. And telling those people, "the rules are here for a reason," doesn't always get that message across.
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#34
Oh the modsplaining. I can't take this oppression! I need to get to my safe space to visit Oscar and Fairbanks.

The mods have decided not to do it doods. For whatever reason, its what they think is the best. Hopefully for different reasons than I'm seeing in this thread so far. A more logically sound reason I hope. Until there is a completely different group of mods or the forum dies there probably wont be any changes.

Even 4chan has a list of rules at the top of their page. Though it's also mostly anonymous so there's no chance of favoritism.
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#35
Would you be willing to at least give it due consideration? I personally think the pros far outweigh the cons. I agree that there will always be dissenting voices no matter what you do, but I think it's evident from this thread that there is a lot of confusion around this topic. Besides, if it doesn't work, it can always change back.
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#36
They have considered it and decided not to mayn. It's probably not even an issue for most members. There are only a few of us that it seems to bother.
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#37
One would think that the forum rules aren't all that far off from the chat room rules, which are clearly posted.

However, that said, it hasn't really done much good, because some of those who have been punished for breaking the rules, complain about the rules being unfair or whatever else they want to say to try to get out of the punishment. So really, it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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#38
Well, there are a lot of things that has been said by various members in this thread that I agree with, from all sides really.

I guess I should just mention what I think since this has been touched on so many times before but before I could say anything the threads always get closed. I believe people tend to get quite sensitive and bitter about this particular topic, whether they have been through a particular moderation by the mods or not. And from what I see, these threads get closed as soon as someone starts insulting the mods for whatever their discontentment about the forum might be.

I don't think it's right to bash the mods here as individuals on how the forum is run rather the system set in place should be looked at. I always believe that these things can be discussed in a civil manner so I hope nobody tries to start putting anyone down for the sake of not getting another thread worth of discussion closed.

It might seem like a pointless thing to do to put out specific rules for the forum because it should be well understood as most of us are adults and can read and understand basic English, my experience in teaching teenagers and interacting with their parents made me realise that no, we cannot expect people of any age, to comprehend certain things unless you clearly and specifically state them and there is nothing wrong with that either.

As much as I respect, understand and deeply appreciate the efforts that has been made by the mods to keep the forum a safe place, I, too feel that it can be a little lopsided at times and as someone who really cares a lot about the well-being of the forum, it gets frustrating too but what can I do about it? That said, I do realise that there are reasons behind what our moderators do or actions they take on the forum but I wondered, if many people are voicing out their doubts or even just questioning the effectiveness of the moderation (some of these people being the reasonable voices around), shouldn't their opinions be heard and shouldn't we all (members and moderators) work towards creating a better forum environment? That might mean revising certain rules and regulations or moderation system, I suppose.

The type of people who come on the forum won't ever change and nobody is gonna be perfect at keeping the forum a safe and conducive place to be on and not everyone can be pleased with regard to anything really. We can only try to do our best to help each other in keeping this place pleasant. I've just known too many people leaving because of certain unfair treatments or biasness seen among members (which may not necessarily mean this was how the mods had intended things to be). I'm sure there's a middle ground we call can come to terms with? I would hope so.

Also, there have been no changes to the current way of moderation for so long and it seems like a lot of people are longing for development or change just to see if the board will experience improvements in areas they feel could be better, in my observation. There will always be those who take umbrage with any rules or system of governance. At the same time, the idea of change could hold promise for the board.

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#39
(02-09-2016, 01:41 PM)ladyforsaken Wrote: Well, there are a lot of things that has been said by various members in this thread that I agree with, from all sides really.

I guess I should just mention what I think since this has been touched on so many times before but before I could say anything the threads always get closed. I believe people tend to get quite sensitive and bitter about this particular topic, whether they have been through a particular moderation by the mods or not. And from what I see, these threads get closed as soon as someone starts insulting the mods for whatever their discontentment about the forum might be.

I don't think it's right to bash the mods here as individuals on how the forum is run rather the system set in place should be looked at. I always believe that these things can be discussed in a civil manner so I hope nobody tries to start putting anyone down for the sake of not getting another thread worth of discussion closed.

It might seem like a pointless thing to do to put out specific rules for the forum because it should be well understood as most of us are adults and can read and understand basic English, my experience in teaching teenagers and interacting with their parents made me realise that no, we cannot expect people of any age, to comprehend certain things unless you clearly and specifically state them and there is nothing wrong with that either.

As much as I respect, understand and deeply appreciate the efforts that has been made by the mods to keep the forum a safe place, I, too feel that it can be a little lopsided at times and as someone who really cares a lot about the well-being of the forum, it gets frustrating too but what can I do about it? That said, I do realise that there are reasons behind what our moderators do or actions they take on the forum but I wondered, if many people are voicing out their doubts or even just questioning the effectiveness of the moderation (some of these people being the reasonable voices around), shouldn't their opinions be heard and shouldn't we all (members and moderators) work towards creating a better forum environment? That might mean revising certain rules and regulations or moderation system, I suppose.

The type of people who come on the forum won't ever change and nobody is gonna be perfect at keeping the forum a safe and conducive place to be on and not everyone can be pleased with regard to anything really. We can only try to do our best to help each other in keeping this place pleasant. I've just known too many people leaving because of certain unfair treatments or biasness seen among members (which may not necessarily mean this was how the mods had intended things to be). I'm sure there's a middle ground we call can come to terms with? I would hope so.

Also, there have been no changes to the current way of moderation for so long and it seems like a lot of people are longing for development or change just to see if the board will experience improvements in areas they feel could be better, in my observation. There will always be those who take umbrage with any rules or system of governance. At the same time, the idea of change could hold promise for the board.

Just saying. Nothing against anyone!


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#40
The problem with having rules is that most, unless very specific and detailed, most are open to interpretation. Not to mention that as soon as you have formal guidelines in place, a certain percentage of forum members are going to attempt to push those boundaries. The only 'rules' you really need are 1) post no porn ( plenty of other places for that) and 2) be respectful of one another
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