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Lonely because of your principles
#21
What kind of principles? I don't think that principles will limit any your kind of relationship. If you are a vegan that doesn't bother anyone that is fine, this won't do any harm to your social conditions. But if you are the kind of vegan that screams at people and wish to those who eat meat cancer, than yes, it will limit your interactions. As for myself I hardly think that my principles limit me in interacting with people. There are plenty of women that share my same principles, they just aren't attracted to me. That limits me

Because I don't think that being awkward is a principle. You can still go outside with your friends even if you don't drink and they do. I did it for a couple of years, then we split up, but surely not because I wasn't drinking
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#22
What principles?
....uhhhh, I mean NO! ;-)

I think most people share basic principles. Be kind, do unto others, etc. Those who take on some additional ones is fine, as long as you dont become the screaming preachy type of opiniated one. For example, not a big fan of the Trumpeter, doesnt mean I wouldnt talk or even agree with big fans of his. Altough that aint a principle as much as an opinion. Bottom line is as principles go, as long as you dont go aroung bitching and screaming at people, shouldnt isolate you any more than anyone else.

Though if you dint own an electronic doohickey and facebook in 2018, you're likely isolated anyway ;-)
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#23
this is an very interesting subject and one which directly effects me personally.  as a long time ethical vegan, i could never be in a relationship with someone who supports violence against farmed animals any more than i could with a person who is a racist or supports the abuse and killing of puppies or kittens. just because some forms of torture and exploitation are considered socially acceptable in no way makes them any less of an atrocity.

it seems that for most people the species of the victims determines what is considered acceptable.  just check out the comments after any news story of extreme abuse of a dog or cat and they abound with suggestions of violence against the perpetrator yet the same people support at least as bad and very likely much worse violence on a daily basis when they go grocery shopping or eat at a restaurant.

i think the following short article very succinctly exposes the extreme contradiction and hypocrisy of condemning some atrocities while willingly supporting others as a neutral choice:

http://gentleworld.org/dont-tell-me-what-to-do/
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#24
Hypocrisy or not, it's actually a choice. As humans we feel the impulse to eat meat, we gain a lot of energy from it and it helps us with recovery from injuries. Vegetable proteins do it as well, but they aren't as effective as the one coming from an animal source. 

We choose to turn a blind eye on the massacre cause we need and love meat, and we do it willingly, as we do it with beggars. We don't even acknowledge their existence most of times, as we do with the meat industry. We have chosen to forget from where that steak comes from. And yes, I hate violence on animals and I don't like when I see someone being violent with a cat or with a dog.

Fact is, we designated some species to be used as food source, is what allowed us to evolve. You can survive without meat, and it's your choice to live without it. 
I have heard some months ago that plants might have a kind of nervous system that allow them to feel things. if this were true I would be very curious to see the reaction of the vegan community. 

The thing Iike the most through(not talking to you) is the racist vegan. "ohhh poor kitten, gtfo dirty ni**a!
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#25
Some cultures DO eat dogs and cats. Just saying.
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#26
(12-24-2018, 08:37 AM)orbital Wrote: I don't understand.. You are either good looking enough to get to have girlfriends and dates or you are not. LOL to XPE.. If you are not getting sex.. then you UGLY.. its that simple.. no girl wants to screw an ugly man. So you hide behind some stupid principle and pretend you have a life.. but you dont and would give everything to have a girlfriend.. well sorry.. welcome to having a painful life.. get over it.

I had principles long before I realized I was ugly, so try again.
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#27
I still have to taste them
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#28
(12-18-2018, 07:19 PM)Serenia Wrote: Do any of you find yourself lonely because of your principles?

Yes

(12-24-2018, 10:25 AM)Amelia Wrote: I am a vegan, I don't drink and I don't want to engage in intimacy too early.

I'm not a vegan, but I could respect someone who chose to be.

Also choosing not to drink and not to get intimate too early, in my opinion, are good personality traits.
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#29
(12-24-2018, 08:37 AM)orbital Wrote: I don't understand.. You are either good looking enough to get to have girlfriends and dates or you are not. LOL to XPE.. If you are not getting sex.. then you UGLY.. its that simple.. no girl wants to screw an ugly man. So you hide behind some stupid principle and pretend you have a life.. but you dont and would give everything to have a girlfriend.. well sorry.. welcome to having a painful life.. get over it.

That's rude and uncalled for and isn't the kind of response permitted here.
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#30
(12-25-2018, 07:47 AM)Unix Wrote: Hypocrisy or not, it's actually a choice. As humans we feel the impulse to eat meat, we gain a lot of energy from it and it helps us with recovery from injuries. Vegetable proteins do it as well, but they aren't as effective as the one coming from an animal source. 

humans have many impulses which are considered immoral for example the sex  drive when it comes to raping someone.  humans also have no need for flesh or any other animal product and in fact the consumption of them is directly connected to many diseases such as cancer, heart disease and diabetes.  it is also by far the worst impact on the environment as these recent studies show:

https://www.unenvironment.org/news-and-s...oblem-meat

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style...78631.html


We choose to turn a blind eye on the massacre cause we need and love meat, and we do it willingly, as we do it with beggars. We don't even acknowledge their existence most of times, as we do with the meat industry. We have chosen to forget from where that steak comes from. And yes, I hate violence on animals and I don't like when I see someone being violent with a cat or with a dog.

the question is since humans have no need of flesh, dairy or eggs to thrive and be healthy and it is instead a mere palette preference, how can we justify harming and killing other sentient beings for what amounts to a momentary taste sensation? is taste more important that the entire existence of a non-human animal?


Fact is, we designated some species to be used as food source, is what allowed us to evolve. You can survive without meat, and it's your choice to live without it. 

not too long ago the idea that some humans were designated to exist to benefit other humans was used to support slavery. 

even if the consumption of flesh was a factor in our evolution (and even this is now considered not to be correct-instead it was the cooking of food which allowed for increased caloric intake and increased brain function) that does not mean that we should still be doing it today.

it is always a choice to harm or kill someone but when there are victims involved the question should be are we justified in doing so?  it comes down to the Golden Rule-don't treat someone else, regardless of their species, in ways in which you yourself would never want to be treated. 

I have heard some months ago that plants might have a kind of nervous system that allow them to feel things. if this were true I would be very curious to see the reaction of the vegan community. 

Plants have no central nervous system and no sentience.  it does not make any sense biologically for them to do so since the reason animals feel pain is to avoid danger and death while plants are stationary an unable to move to protect themselves.   even if plants did somehow feel, one would still kill far fewer plants by being vegan as far fewer plants are killed by eating them directly rather than filtering their nutrients through someone else's body.

The thing Iike the most through(not talking to you) is the racist vegan. "ohhh poor kitten, gtfo dirty ni**a!

i agree but this case is quite rare while the opposite is extremely common-anti racist humans who eat flesh, dairy and eggs.  in fact, speciesism is intimately related to racism as they are of a very similar mindset-the idea that someone is lesser due to their membership in a different race or a different species.  

(12-25-2018, 10:19 AM)TheRealCallie Wrote: Some cultures DO eat dogs and cats. Just saying.

they do-and many people in this country who consume cows, pigs, chickens and fishes are outraged by this fact.  that is where the extreme hypocrisy comes in.  

in fact, the most recent farm bill just added a provision to ban the slaughter of cats and dogs while at the same time funding the slaughter of billions of farmed animals every year:

https://freefromharm.org/animal-rights/w...al-system/
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