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Incel - The Failure of the Modern Man
#1
I am an incel.

And to put it bluntly, incels are failed men. 

How does a man fail?  He doesnt acquire everything that is necessary to be the backbone of a family.  Incels fail miserably at this.  Women, who they need as a wife and mother to their children, ignore them.  They cant find good paying jobs if they can find one at all.  And they never really mature socially as they spend most of their lives isolated, much of the time involuntarily.

With the push for more women in the workplace and less stay at home moms, a balance that existed for decades is now upside down.  Many higher paying jobs that would normally go to men now go to women.  What happened to the men who normally would have gotten those higher paying jobs?  They can't be stay at home moms.  Their only option is to become incels.  The women who now have these higher paying jobs are not interested in incels, as they riightfully see them as failed men.  The difference though is men with higher paying jobs are far more likely to get into a relationship with women who make much less money then them, because these women can be the mothers they need to start a family which helps them succeed as men.  An incel has no value as a man to a successful woman because he has nothing to offer her, except companionship.  The problem with that is in the modern world everything is treated like a financial transaction.   And if someone doesnt offer enough value back for what someone perceives their own value to be, they arent interested.  Clicking with someone's personality seems to be worth very little nowadays.

This is one of the major reasons why birthrates are plummeting in places like Japan.  The modern success story of the working woman has created a new class of failed men, incels.  Men who work poverty level jobs and look ugly to average, but with no hope of a woman ever taking them in, a hope only females in their situation have.

My family is proof of this.  I have 4 brothers and 5 sisters.  2/4 of the men are chronically unemployed.  Im poverty level working a $9/hr job and have struggled to find jobs, going long stretches unemployed.  So 3/4 of us men are incels.  I have one brother who makes good money.  And guess what.  Hes in a long term relationship because hes not seen as a failed man.  My sisters?  4/5 make over 50k a year and have never faced unemployment.  They're also single.  They cant find a man who is up to their standards.  It bothers them a bit but not too much because they are financially independent and get male validation and support from their orbitors and brothers.  My other sister?  She makes little money, like me.  Yet she is never single, because men who are above her in status and wealth see her as a possible mother for his family.

Incels are here to stay.  If you help pull one group up, your gonna push another one down.  Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
#2
Most of what you said is not very accurate....

No, I have no desire to say what or why because I really don't see the point in it. I also don't really see the point in this thread, given that it's nearly identical to your last.
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#3
(04-18-2019, 02:55 AM)michael2 Wrote: I am an incel.

And to put it bluntly, incels are failed men. 

How does a man fail?  He doesnt acquire everything that is necessary to be the backbone of a family.  Incels fail miserably at this.  Women, who they need as a wife and mother to their children, ignore them.  They cant find good paying jobs if they can find one at all.  And they never really mature socially as they spend most of their lives isolated, much of the time involuntarily.

With the push for more women in the workplace and less stay at home moms, a balance that existed for decades is now upside down.  Many higher paying jobs that would normally go to men now go to women.  What happened to the men who normally would have gotten those higher paying jobs?  They can't be stay at home moms.  Their only option is to become incels.  The women who now have these higher paying jobs are not interested in incels, as they riightfully see them as failed men.  The difference though is men with higher paying jobs are far more likely to get into a relationship with women who make much less money then them, because these women can be the mothers they need to start a family which helps them succeed as men.  An incel has no value as a man to a successful woman because he has nothing to offer her, except companionship.  The problem with that is in the modern world everything is treated like a financial transaction.   And if someone doesnt offer enough value back for what someone perceives their own value to be, they arent interested.  Clicking with someone's personality seems to be worth very little nowadays.

This is one of the major reasons why birthrates are plummeting in places like Japan.  The modern success story of the working woman has created a new class of failed men, incels.  Men who work poverty level jobs and look ugly to average, but with no hope of a woman ever taking them in, a hope only females in their situation have.

My family is proof of this.  I have 4 brothers and 5 sisters.  2/4 of the men are chronically unemployed.  Im poverty level working a $9/hr job and have struggled to find jobs, going long stretches unemployed.  So 3/4 of us men are incels.  I have one brother who makes good money.  And guess what.  Hes in a long term relationship because hes not seen as a failed man.  My sisters?  4/5 make over 50k a year and have never faced unemployment.  They're also single.  They cant find a man who is up to their standards.  It bothers them a bit but not too much because they are financially independent and get male validation and support from their orbitors and brothers.  My other sister?  She makes little money, like me.  Yet she is never single, because men who are above her in status and wealth see her as a possible mother for his family.

Incels are here to stay.  If you help pull one group up, your gonna push another one down.  Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Yea lol ..the first para sounds just like me but I'm married
except i dont like the term failed....

I'm not really the backbone
My wife ignores me alot...
My job has always been a rubbish payer
Yea and everyone here knows i didnt mature socially and am isolated..ALOT

I suggest to try and enjoy your life because honestlly being single sounds very attractive to me and being married i feel single most of the time anyway because being married is not running through long grass holding hands..its very hard work and because of kids,mortgages,bills etc i've never had any money.Fill your boots i dunno go travelling ...buy a speedboat...have fun while you've got the ability and health too...sorry bit preachy.

This is my last post here for long time so ta ta  Toungue
#4
(04-18-2019, 03:05 AM)TheRealCallie Wrote: Most of what you said is not very accurate....

No, I have no desire to say what or why because I really don't see the point in it.  I also don't really see the point in this thread, given that it's nearly identical to your last.

Its a theory I have with some personal and world evidence evidence to back it up.  Im just looking for why me and so many other men are in the positions we are now.  Trying to make sense of it, to help cope.

(04-18-2019, 04:32 AM)Joturbo Wrote:
(04-18-2019, 02:55 AM)michael2 Wrote: I am an incel.

And to put it bluntly, incels are failed men. 

How does a man fail?  He doesnt acquire everything that is necessary to be the backbone of a family.  Incels fail miserably at this.  Women, who they need as a wife and mother to their children, ignore them.  They cant find good paying jobs if they can find one at all.  And they never really mature socially as they spend most of their lives isolated, much of the time involuntarily.

With the push for more women in the workplace and less stay at home moms, a balance that existed for decades is now upside down.  Many higher paying jobs that would normally go to men now go to women.  What happened to the men who normally would have gotten those higher paying jobs?  They can't be stay at home moms.  Their only option is to become incels.  The women who now have these higher paying jobs are not interested in incels, as they riightfully see them as failed men.  The difference though is men with higher paying jobs are far more likely to get into a relationship with women who make much less money then them, because these women can be the mothers they need to start a family which helps them succeed as men.  An incel has no value as a man to a successful woman because he has nothing to offer her, except companionship.  The problem with that is in the modern world everything is treated like a financial transaction.   And if someone doesnt offer enough value back for what someone perceives their own value to be, they arent interested.  Clicking with someone's personality seems to be worth very little nowadays.

This is one of the major reasons why birthrates are plummeting in places like Japan.  The modern success story of the working woman has created a new class of failed men, incels.  Men who work poverty level jobs and look ugly to average, but with no hope of a woman ever taking them in, a hope only females in their situation have.

My family is proof of this.  I have 4 brothers and 5 sisters.  2/4 of the men are chronically unemployed.  Im poverty level working a $9/hr job and have struggled to find jobs, going long stretches unemployed.  So 3/4 of us men are incels.  I have one brother who makes good money.  And guess what.  Hes in a long term relationship because hes not seen as a failed man.  My sisters?  4/5 make over 50k a year and have never faced unemployment.  They're also single.  They cant find a man who is up to their standards.  It bothers them a bit but not too much because they are financially independent and get male validation and support from their orbitors and brothers.  My other sister?  She makes little money, like me.  Yet she is never single, because men who are above her in status and wealth see her as a possible mother for his family.

Incels are here to stay.  If you help pull one group up, your gonna push another one down.  Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Yea lol ..the first para sounds just like me but I'm married
except i dont like the term failed....

I'm not really the backbone
My wife ignores me alot...
My job has always been a rubbish payer
Yea and everyone here knows i didnt mature socially and am isolated..ALOT

I suggest to try and enjoy your life because honestlly being single sounds very attractive to me and being married i feel single most of the time anyway because being married is not running through long grass holding hands..its very hard work and because of kids,mortgages,bills etc i've never had any money.Fill your boots i dunno go travelling ...buy a speedboat...have fun while you've got the ability and health too...sorry bit preachy.

This is my last post here for long time so ta ta  Toungue

Having a wife validates a man.  Single women want validation from men as well.  The key difference though is that single women usually have the opportunity to marry or have a boyfriend if they so wish.  They usually have no shortage in men asking them out or showing them attention, they just havent found one yet they want to settle down with. Thats a big psychological lift.  For many incel men, that opportunity isnt even present.  And hasnt been for years,  if not their entire lives.

It seems you dont have a great marriage and your telling me being single is better.  Its like telling someone who walks 10 miles to work everyday not to make a big deal out of getting a car,  because the car he has has chronic problems.

I definitely dont think Im built for 'the single life'.  I know some men and women who at least appear to want to be single.  I'm not one.  I've always loved being around people.  Growing up I was probably the only kid who didnt care about having to share a bedroom.  I always prefer to do things with people instead of by myself.

But I'll take your advice.  I'll try to get back into one of my hobbies to help get my mind off this.
#5
Unless you're arguing for a return to where women were relegated to the domestic sphere there's really no point to any this.

It's better to try and focus on the things that can be changed. Better mental health services for men, for example.
#6
This gave me a good laugh.
#7
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#8
(04-18-2019, 09:38 AM)Rainbows Wrote: This gave me a good laugh.

Me too.

Considering women still get paid less for doing the same work as men, and that society has been two income households for decades.

It isn't as funny though when one does a little research into incels.  

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45284455

With a history like this...imo to even identify oneself as an incel is a threat to humanity, and especially to women.
#9
(04-18-2019, 11:20 AM)DanL53 Wrote:
(04-18-2019, 09:38 AM)Rainbows Wrote: This gave me a good laugh.

Considering women still get paid less for doing the same work as men, and that society has been two income households for decades.

A misleading statement at best:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness...1dc4822596

"The official Bureau of Labor Department statistics show that the median earnings of full-time female workers is 77 percent of the median earnings of full-time male workers. But that is very different than “77 cents on the dollar for doing the same work as men.” The latter gives the impression that a man and a woman standing next to each other doing the same job for the same number of hours get paid different salaries. That’s not at all the case. “Full time” officially means 35 hours, but men work more hours than women. That’s the first problem: We could be comparing men working 40 hours to women working 35."
#10
(04-18-2019, 02:23 PM)LostintheBardo Wrote:
(04-18-2019, 11:20 AM)DanL53 Wrote:
(04-18-2019, 09:38 AM)Rainbows Wrote: This gave me a good laugh.

Considering women still get paid less for doing the same work as men, and that society has been two income households for decades.

A misleading statement at best:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness...1dc4822596

"The official Bureau of Labor Department statistics show that the median earnings of full-time female workers is 77 percent of the median earnings of full-time male workers. But that is very different than “77 cents on the dollar for doing the same work as men.” The latter gives the impression that a man and a woman standing next to each other doing the same job for the same number of hours get paid different salaries. That’s not at all the case. “Full time” officially means 35 hours, but men work more hours than women. That’s the first problem: We could be comparing men working 40 hours to women working 35."

The Gender Wage Gap in a per hour comparison is six to eight percent.  That is a Gender Wage Gap.  Look up statistics from this year...not two years ago.

Nowhere did I say 77 percent.  

I am not Hillary Clinton so please don't put her words in my mouth.  THAT, is misleading.  

Fact:  "Considering women still get paid less for doing the same work as men, and that society has been two income households for decades."  Six to eight percent different per hour.  Fact.  Standing side by side doing the same job.  Fact.  The excuses include men are more experienced, or more productive, can negotiate for better wages....they go on and on.  Debate could go on and on and we could include that men are more valued than women due to misogynistic prejudices.  

But rather than spin or speculate, let me just repeat, again, fact, "Considering women still get paid less for doing the same work as men, and that society has been two income households for decades."

Fact.


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