banning policy

[sothatwasmylife]

As a male of high Victorian morals and manners it concerns me that there may be occassions when members of the gentle sex may feel at liberty to view the various threads in states of ahem!! (fingers monocle in order to select the correct phrasing )not entirely appropriate attire, I would very much hope that it is standard practice to be dressed in accordance with the social rules governing any form of ahem!! social intercourse, a simple dress, sensible shoes and of course a bonnet of a not overstated nature..without the aid of a camera it"s difficult to adequately monitor the situation...which is why I have bought this to your attention.

 

[Paraiyar]

The problem with having rules is that most, unless very specific and detailed, most are open to interpretation. Not to mention that as soon as you have formal guidelines in place, a certain percentage of forum members are going to attempt to push those boundaries. The only 'rules' you really need are 1) post no porn ( plenty of other places for that) and 2) be respectful of one another

Of course there are people on the internet who interpret a difference of opinion as 'abuse, hate and harassment."

 

[AmytheTemperamental]

As a male of high Victorian morals and manners it concerns me that there may be occassions when members of the gentle sex may feel at liberty to view the various threads in states of ahem!! (fingers monocle in order to select the correct phrasing )not entirely appropriate attire, I would very much hope that it is standard practice to be dressed in accordance with the social rules governing any form of ahem!! social intercourse, a simple dress, sensible shoes and of course a bonnet of a not overstated nature..without the aid of a camera it"s difficult to adequately monitor the situation...which is why I have bought this to your attention.

I agree. Men should all wear dresses. Might give some air to the gentle parts.

 

[sothatwasmylife]

As a male of high Victorian morals and manners it concerns me that there may be occassions when members of the gentle sex may feel at liberty to view the various threads in states of ahem!! (fingers monocle in order to select the correct phrasing )not entirely appropriate attire, I would very much hope that it is standard practice to be dressed in accordance with the social rules governing any form of ahem!! social intercourse, a simple dress, sensible shoes and of course a bonnet of a not overstated nature..without the aid of a camera it"s difficult to adequately monitor the situation...which is why I have bought this to your attention.

I agree. Men should all wear dresses. Might give some air to the gentle parts.

Madam I have called the local constabulary !!! An occasional thong perchance a garter but what you suggest is completely outwith the bounds of common decency and I imagine you will be detained by the Fleet Street Peelers within the hour..may I suggest you attire yourself in as modest a fashion as you are able to contrive ...I am outraged !! although I am disposed to sensible shoes with a heel and find the cinch of a corset a comfort it is not by choice but purely on medical grounds... you'll be asking for the vote next..dammed impertinence I call it madam .

 

[reynard_muldrake]

The problem with having rules is that most, unless very specific and detailed, most are open to interpretation. Not to mention that as soon as you have formal guidelines in place, a certain percentage of forum members are going to attempt to push those boundaries. The only 'rules' you really need are 1) post no porn ( plenty of other places for that) and 2) be respectful of one another

Any online community will have a band of ne'er do wells, though. That's just the nature of the Internet. Based on my personal experiences, the forums with guidelines had far less problems than ones featuring lax leadership. Yeah, people could look to find ambiguities in the rules, but anyone committed to causing trouble could also point to the absence of rules in defense of their bad behavior.

 

[sothatwasmylife]

The problem with having rules is that most, unless very specific and detailed, most are open to interpretation. Not to mention that as soon as you have formal guidelines in place, a certain percentage of forum members are going to attempt to push those boundaries. The only 'rules' you really need are 1) post no porn ( plenty of other places for that) and 2) be respectful of one another

Any online community will have a band of ne'er do wells, though. That's just the nature of the Internet. Based on my personal experiences, the forums with guidelines had far less problems than ones featuring lax leadership. Yeah, people could look to find ambiguities in the rules, but anyone committed to causing trouble could also point to the absence of rules in defense of their bad behavior.

I take exception to the term ne'r do wells as this is surely a class of the lower order often associated with the likes of rapscallions, felons and the less favourable members of the mudlark community many of whom offer indispensable services to gentlemen of breeding such as myself...ne'er do wells are often spirited unfortunates
whose only resource often due to penuary is to take issue with the authorities...of course if they were to come onto my property I wouldn't hesitate to set the dogs on them but I think surely we are able to extend a little less rope and a trifle more understanding to those less fortunate than ourselves

 

[TheRealCallie]

It's not for forum members to interpret the rules. They can interpret them any way they want, but it's ultimately Admin and the mods that decide what a rule does and does not mean. It's the same way in chat. There are CLEAR guidelines for what is and is not accepted in the chat room. People don't read them, then they like to complain about how it's unfair or this or that.

So yeah, whether there are rules or not isn't going to change anything. I really don't see why this is such a big deal. Most people here are adults, those who aren't are old enough to have common sense and know what's right or wrong, so just don't be an ******* (NOT directed at anyone) and you should be good....

 

[sothatwasmylife]

It's not for forum members to interpret the rules. They can interpret them any way they want, but it's ultimately Admin and the mods that decide what a rule does and does not mean. It's the same way in chat. There are CLEAR guidelines for what is and is not accepted in the chat room. People don't read them, then they like to complain about how it's unfair or this or that.

So yeah, whether there are rules or not isn't going to change to anything. I really don't see why this is such a big deal. Most people here are adults, those who aren't are old enough to have common sense and know what's right or wrong, so just don't be an ******* (NOT directed at anyone) and you should be good....

Sir re your above pronouncements...although you doubtless make many well thought out general directives should it not be incumbent upon those who set the rules to subsequently impose the rules ...rules along with the demise of corporal punishment are sadly lacking in our present society...may I suggest that all future posts are submitted directly to the moderator for thorough scrutiny prior to publication also I think it may well be entirely appropriate at that same juncture to include a photograph evidencing appropriate headwear ..a suitable bonnet in the case of a lady, a flat cap or bowler for a gentleman...a copy of todays newspaper could be included as supporting evidence

 

[ladyforsaken]

Most people here are adults, those who aren't are old enough to have common sense and know what's right or wrong...

I really wouldn't assume that... here, or anywhere in life.

There are people way older than me who lack the common sense or even the mere decency, even with and having read any given rules - may or may not be their own faults - who knows. Still, I won't really expect others to know or understand what I think they should just cos I can... in my experience at least.

That said, not saying that it has to please all, just saying that I won't automatically expect an adult to know what's right or wrong or have the common sense or not. That's why some good teachers make some really clear rules, it helps those who can't get it, and just emphasises those points to those who already do (no harm done on that, of course).

 

[TheRealCallie]

Most people here are adults, those who aren't are old enough to have common sense and know what's right or wrong...

I really wouldn't assume that... here, or anywhere in life.

There are people way older than me who lack the common sense or even the mere decency, even with and having read any given rules - may or may not be their own faults - who knows. Still, I won't really expect others to know or understand what I think they should just cos I can... in my experience at least.

That said, not saying that it has to please all, just saying that I won't automatically expect an adult to know what's right or wrong or have the common sense or not. That's why some good teachers make some really clear rules, it helps those who can't get it, and just emphasises those points to those who already do (no harm done on that, of course).

Well, common sense or not, the majority of people know what is an ******* comment and what isn't.

But again, the chat rules are clearly posted and it doesn't seem to matter much. We still get people breaking the rules causing me or another mod to yell at and/or ban them.

 

[sothatwasmylife]

Most people here are adults, those who aren't are old enough to have common sense and know what's right or wrong...

I really wouldn't assume that... here, or anywhere in life.

There are people way older than me who lack the common sense or even the mere decency, even with and having read any given rules - may or may not be their own faults - who knows. Still, I won't really expect others to know or understand what I think they should just cos I can... in my experience at least.

That said, not saying that it has to please all, just saying that I won't automatically expect an adult to know what's right or wrong or have the common sense or not. That's why some good teachers make some really clear rules, it helps those who can't get it, and just emphasises those points to those who already do (no harm done on that, of course).

Well said madam a voice of reason in a chaotic I'll defined world...if only those who choose to wander from the established way of things would have the good sense and manners to accept that deviations will not be viewed as acceptable...that way surely lays anarchy and the undermining of the very fabric of our society ...exactly how Nazi Germany evolved.... What's right is right and what's wrong is wrong and those that demure from these precepts should be horse whipped...there is a profound need in these times of flagrant rule breaking and impositions of unwelcome views for voices to ring out, clearly and forcibly in unison...certainty and co operation...an acceptable dress code and the ability to know ones place these are the values that made our country great.. I like your hat : )

 

[ladyforsaken]

Of course people will still misbehave but I still think it helps some, believe it or not. Just cos there will still be misbehaviour doesn't mean one drops all efforts to help those who need it.

Anyway, I think the point is being missed here. I have nothing more to add as I've said what I needed to contribute to the point of this thread.

 

[TheRealCallie]

Of course people will still misbehave but I still think it helps some, believe it or not. Just cos there will still be misbehaviour doesn't mean one drops all efforts to help those who need it.

Anyway, I think the point is being missed here. I have nothing more to add as I've said what I needed to contribute to the point of this thread.

And what exactly is the point?

The thread is about what can get you banned. I do believe there are rules posted when you first sign up for the forum (or there used to be). There are clear chat rules posted that are mostly likely the same as the forum rules would be, not that it prevents people from breaking them. There's common sense and I'm sorry, but common sense or not, an ******* knows when they are being an *******.

So yeah, what "point" is being missed?

 

[sothatwasmylife]

A rainbows end or a puddle of watery gold in an oil slick...you decide

 

[reynard_muldrake]

The thread is about what can get you banned. I do believe there are rules posted when you first sign up for the forum (or there used to be). There are clear chat rules posted that are mostly likely the same as the forum rules would be, not that it prevents people from breaking them. There's common sense and I'm sorry, but common sense or not, an ******* knows when they are being an *******.

I'm glad the chat room has a clear code of conduct, but this is about the forum. I've participated in message boards that have guidelines just for the board and a different set of rules for the chatroom, so it's a mistake to assume ALL's chatroom and the forum are operating the same way. And as for your last point... ha! Rarely does someone possess such self awareness. More often than not, they'd prefer to blame the offended party for being 'too sensitive" (and no, I'm not talking about this board alone, so don't jump to any conclusions).

 

[TheSkaFish]

Most people here are adults, those who aren't are old enough to have common sense and know what's right or wrong...

I really wouldn't assume that... here, or anywhere in life.

There are people way older than me who lack the common sense or even the mere decency, even with and having read any given rules - may or may not be their own faults - who knows. Still, I won't really expect others to know or understand what I think they should just cos I can... in my experience at least.

That said, not saying that it has to please all, just saying that I won't automatically expect an adult to know what's right or wrong or have the common sense or not. That's why some good teachers make some really clear rules, it helps those who can't get it, and just emphasises those points to those who already do (no harm done on that, of course).

I agree with this. Age really doesn't have much to do with it. All age really does is let people understand common sense and decency. But they could still choose not to care about those things.

I also feel like a clear set of rules posted where they can be found easily would be a good idea here. I've seen several sub-reddits and even Facebook groups prominently displaying their rules, and I think it helps a great deal. Otherwise it's just too murky. The way things have been, it's only up to the mods to decide if people are breaking the rules or not, so the rules are not only unclear but subjective. And this can start to seem like favoritism. I really think that a lack of clear rules only encourages people to misbehave more. They just find more subtle ways to do it.

 

[Paraiyar]

If you all elect me ALL president I'll build an IP wall to keep the trolls out.

 

[TheRealCallie]

I also feel like a clear set of rules posted where they can be found easily would be a good idea here. I've seen several sub-reddits and even Facebook groups prominently displaying their rules, and I think it helps a great deal. Otherwise it's just too murky. The way things have been, it's only up to the mods to decide if people are breaking the rules or not, so the rules are not only unclear but subjective. And this can start to seem like favoritism. I really think that a lack of clear rules only encourages people to misbehave more. They just find more subtle ways to do it.

Even if the rules ARE posted, it's still up to the mods to determine when someone is or is not breaking the rules. Rules aren't based on what MEMBERS want them to mean, it's what the MODS think they mean.

This is an issue in chat, which is why I know that the rules being posted won't stop honeysuckle from happening. No, we don't have an abundance of issues in the chat room, but that could be said that the majority of people there know how to act accordingly...hence, common sense.
Quite a few times, we've had problems because people were purposely skirting the rules, trying to see how far they can go and not get in trouble.

 

[TheRealCallie]

If you all elect me ALL president I'll build an IP wall to keep the trolls out.

Lol, I guess I'll be gone, since quite a few here believe I'm a troll.

 

[TheSkaFish]

Even if the rules ARE posted, it's still up to the mods to determine when someone is or is not breaking the rules. Rules aren't based on what MEMBERS want them to mean, it's what the MODS think they mean.

This is an issue in chat, which is why I know that the rules being posted won't stop honeysuckle from happening. No, we don't have an abundance of issues in the chat room, but that could be said that the majority of people there know how to act accordingly...hence, common sense.
Quite a few times, we've had problems because people were purposely skirting the rules, trying to see how far they can go and not get in trouble.

I still feel that posting the rules would be helpful though, because if we could all see them clearly, there would at least be more of a common understanding of what is and isn't allowed, and maybe there would be more of an agreement between the members and mods over what is and isn't against the rules. The "no namecalling" one is easy, we're all in relative agreement on that. But the "no insults" rule, to me, I feel is a little more unclear since namecalling isn't the only way to insult someone.

I doubt anything will happen, and I'm probably wasting my breath but still, I feel like it's worth more consideration. I just don't think the current way works well enough, and I think a lot of people agree with that.