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theablekingathelstan

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If your "nicer to people more on average than me" includes blowing up at people at the drop of a hat, over trivial things, then I really must be Hitler. It makes sense now.

Don't even get me started on the hypocritical stuff either. Your first post here was complaining about how people aren't nice to you. Then it was quickly revealed that you weren't nice to people either, and went on about how you hated hot women. I may have had my struggles with dating but at least I never said things like that.



I'm not a big dude, although I would like to be. I was just saying, based on what I've seen of your personality, I don't think you'd start fights with big dudes. I think you'd look for an easy win where the risk to you is very low. Even now, I'm still not entirely sure you ever did yell at big guys, cause this the internet where you can say anything. There's no proof other than you saying you did, which is questionable.



OK then. Apply it to yourself, and accept mine. It seems you're just mad that people aren't just accepting your opinions, but you don't accept others' in return. It doesn't work if it's a one-way street.



I'm sure there are too, but they tend to be people with personalities and worldviews similar to yours, so it doesn't bother me. I expect it, it's mutual.



Are you serious? Everything I've seen from you suggests you're a narcissist. This whole thread, and the incident it was based on, were narcissistic in the first place.



Well Christ on a cracker. I'm getting tired of this. And I thought for once we were in agreement, about how this discussion was going around in circles and that there was nothing else to say about it.

Unless, that is, you are going to give me more Hitlers to increase my score.
Well, no, people can dislike your views for any reason. However, you keep making these assumptions of my behaviour or past. It's comical since it's baseless. And I have accepted your opinions. You haven't with mine. if not, you woudn't bring them up in unrelated posts and then move on. But claiming your perspectives are the default is telling. no of us has the default. again, iut's your church telling you this, since you're a bit self-centred. typical spiritualist thinking - get into the temporal world.
 

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I'm not saying that expecting reasonable customer service is anachronistic. I was saying the way you seem to talk and act and view the world, seems anachronistic, like you view and carry yourself like an aristocrat from 150 years ago, like you believe you're a member of some kind of inherently superior class of person, and that the inferior rabble need to get in line and know their place. That's how it seems to me. It was a related but separate point.

Regardless, you can still resolve customer service issues in an assertive but calm manner, just stating the facts without acting like a maniac. And you probably would have a greater chance of getting what you want.



For once, I concur.
but as a spiritualist, your head is in the clouds. any good or service one buys has some expectations attached. firms want MONEY. you're assuming it's only related to high-end goods, lol. no. I'm pretty sure that 99% of people who order a Big Mac and get a Quarter Pounder would NOT like that and would ask for the correct item. The fact McDs is a "low-end" place is irrelevant, it's basic business ethics, legality and common decency. You've spent all this time trying to arbitrarily justify bad service. lol. and yet you're kind and nice. oK. I don't believe anybody deserves bad service off the bat. Prove me wrong then, mrs. "kind". and prove you're "kind" by expressing kind views. Though I won't expect a thorough answer, since apparently your views are the standard. all views are equal and it's amusing since you assume your views are the standard. how adults behave is apparently lost on your spiritualist worldview. Like a person who thinks eating meat is wrong. it's an opinion out of trillions. doesn't mean there is any default or others must care about their view or adhere to it.
 
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So, you felt humiliated, you felt she was making a fool of you, you felt humiliated, you felt put down in public, and you felt embarrassed in public....
this is why the whole thing happened.
Humilating others is a no-no, and it's not a good look on you to ever justify it. Your take above is invalidated in this capacity then.
 

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Other than your assumed magical mind reading ability, you mention noting to support the idea that she wished to show you up. I don't doubt that her accidentally missing you could have made you feel "ignored" or like "nothing". Still you have shown absolutely nothing to indicate that it was anything more than a simple accident.

I imagine she did look shocked at your totally irrational behavior. You generally don't see grown men throwing tantrums over ice cream. Extreme bizarre irrational behavior can shock some people. You haven't mentioned, before, anything about her claim that she was a victim of your bizarre behavior, even though she was. It seems that you are padding out the story now because quite a number of people here have pointed out how poorly you acted based on invalid assumption that you made about the employee.

Well you like to arbitarily plot against peole for your kicks. I don't do that to people.,
Since you believe in arbitrary thinking and judgment, if somebody who looked like this https://www.thefashionisto.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Male-Model.jpg made this same complaint, would you be warmer to it? I believe so. i don't get it, since it's the same complaint, so how the person making it rational, when it's the same thing being commented on?
 

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However, you keep making these assumptions of my behaviour or past. It's comical since it's baseless.

It's based on your posts - which gets proved right time and time again. I bring them up in "seemingly unrelated" posts because to me, they are related. It's your approach to life, your overall character. The way you think things work, should work, should be.

And I have accepted your opinions.

No you haven't, you're not accepting them right now. Although you are free not to. Just don't say that you're accepting them when you're not, and trying to make it look like I'm the bad guy.

But claiming your perspectives are the default is telling.

My perspectives aren't that far away from most. On some things maybe, but overall I would say they're not.

iut's your church telling you this

People can get morality from different places than church. Although, like the Hitler thing, the assumption that everyone is a church-going maniac is pretty funny too.

but as a spiritualist, your head is in the clouds. any good or service one buys has some expectations attached. firms want MONEY. you're assuming it's only related to high-end goods, lol. no. I'm pretty sure that 99% of people who order a Big Mac and get a Quarter Pounder would NOT like that and would ask for the correct item. The fact McDs is a "low-end" place is irrelevant, it's basic business ethics, legality and common decency. You've spent all this time trying to arbitrarily justify bad service. lol. and yet you're kind and nice. oK. I don't believe anybody deserves bad service off the bat. Prove me wrong then, mrs. "kind". and prove you're "kind" by expressing kind views.

Jesus dude. Yes, reasonable customer service is important. But you don't have to default to blowing up at people right out of the gate. You are acting like they messed up something which negatively affected your quality of life in a meaningful way, or cost you a lot of money, over an ice cream treat that was just a free promotional extra. No, your response wasn't reasonable at all. It's like shooting someone and claiming self defense, because you think they might have been talking about robbing you. And it isn't a big dilemma of business ethics or the law. Just calmly tell the person they missed you and ask for an ice cream. It's not a big deal.

Or go ahead and make it a big deal. Why stop at screaming at the girl? Sue the theater for emotional damages resulting from not getting your ice cream. That'll teach 'em some "business ethics".

The fact that you did make it a big deal, and made a thread about "look at me, I don't care about anyone but me, or common decency, look how badass I am!" says that you are just looking for someone to position yourself as "higher" or "better" than for the sake of your ego, and that's what this is really about.
 
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The thing is I'm actually for being assertive, and I also think that I've been downright antagonistic at times to make up for not standing up for myself when I was younger and I should have. Sometimes the other person really did deserve it. Sometimes, I also flipped out over nothing and saw conflicts where there really were none or at the very least, nothing that important that I had to get so mad about it. But as a kid, I used to let people walk all over me because basically I thought I had to, because I didn't have the physical size, money, popularity/social status, or other abilities to stick up for myself, push back, and challenge the assholes on even terms.

But this incident, and the way you went about it, are all wrong. If anything this is an example of how NOT to be assertive.

I'm done with this. You do you, but like others have said, I feel like you're going to piss off the wrong guy one day, or get the cops called on you, or get blacklisted from some places. And that will all be your problem.
 
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It's based on your posts - which gets proved right time and time again. I bring them up in "seemingly unrelated" posts because to me, they are related. It's your approach to life, your overall character. The way you think things work, should work, should be.



No you haven't, you're not accepting them right now. Although you are free not to. Just don't say that you're accepting them when you're not, and trying to make it look like I'm the bad guy.



My perspectives aren't that far away from most. On some things maybe, but overall I would say they're not.



People can get morality from different places than church. Although, like the Hitler thing, the assumption that everyone is a church-going maniac is pretty funny too.



Jesus dude. Yes, reasonable customer service is important. But you don't have to default to blowing up at people right out of the gate. You are acting like they messed up something which negatively affected your quality of life in a meaningful way, or cost you a lot of money, over an ice cream treat that was just a free promotional extra. No, your response wasn't reasonable at all. It's like shooting someone and claiming self defense, because you think they might have been talking about robbing you. And it isn't a big dilemma of business ethics or the law. Just calmly tell the person they missed you and ask for an ice cream. It's not a big deal.

Or go ahead and make it a big deal. Why stop at screaming at the girl? Sue the theater over emotional damages resulting from not getting your ice cream. That'll teach 'em some "business ethics".

The fact that you did make it a big deal, and made a thread about "look at me, I don't care about anyone but me, or common decency, look how badass I am!" says that you are just looking for someone to position yourself as "higher" or "better" than for the sake of your ego, and that's what this is really about.
Your opinions are your own. and they're not any better than others, and no, your beliefs are your own beliefs. this is a maxim most adhere to. the fact you mock business ethics is telling. denying service is non-adherence to business ethics. I posted this thread since it was an issue that bothered me. hence why i called you and others Hitler - plenty have posted things here. and YOU have been accommodating. why can't ALL people things and receive good feedback? I thought you were kind? so kindness shoudn't be selective...lol. i'm kind and not selective with it.
 

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The thing is I'm actually for being assertive, and I also think that I've been downright antagonistic at times to make up for not standing up for myself when I was younger and I should have. Sometimes the other person really did deserve it. Sometimes, I also flipped out over nothing and saw conflicts where there really were none or at the very least, nothing that important that I had to get so mad about it. But as a kid, I used to let people walk all over me because basically I thought I had to, because I didn't have the physical size, money, popularity/social status, or other abilities to stick up for myself, push back, and challenge the assholes on even terms.

But this incident, and the way you went about it, are all wrong. If anything this is an example of how NOT to be assertive.

I'm done with this. You do you, but like others have said, I feel like you're going to piss off the wrong guy one day, or get the cops called on you, or get blacklisted from some places. And that will all be your problem.
Yep. you have plenty of double standards, driven from your church,. I guess your pastor wasn't an honest guy but then we're all sinners. i don't beieve you're as kind as you claim, and probably there are many holes in your alleged conduct and morals. i bet there are way less holes in mine. i believe all are entitled to good service. that reality clearly offends you, just admit it. i think your church taught you some ethics/values and they aren't really pertinent to daily/actual life. You have made assumptions about me, but then when I do it, it's wrong. lol. why? i guess another church-dervied behaviour - gaining the upper hand in all discourse with people, even random strangers online. A church imho shouldn't teach people to be above others - that's not Jesus-esque conduct, and i doubt He would ever approve of that.
 

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the fact you mock business ethics is telling.

I'm mocking this ridiculous non-issue based on nothing more than your paranoia, and your attempts to come off as "badass" and assertive for acting like you did. Like Ardour said earlier, this is the Karen meme in real life. That's all it is.

You do what you want. But stuff like this is why you're lonely. Stick to the way you've been, and go on feeling like everyone else has a "conspiracy" against you, or not. It's not my problem.

Thanks for the extra Hitler, though!
 
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I'm mocking this ridiculous non-issue based on nothing more than your paranoia, and your attempts to come off as "badass" and assertive for acting like you did. Like Ardour said earlier, this is the Karen meme in real life. That's all it is.

You do what you want. But stuff like this is why you're lonely. Stick to the way you've been, and go on feeling like everyone else has a "conspiracy" against you, or not. It's not my problem.

Thanks for the extra Hitler, though!
no, this is no different to what others have posted here. like i need to get permission from your own perspectives/perceptions. lol. no. you only have one view out of many, and why must a person - any person - need your permission for anything? and yes, you do have a conspiracy. like mrs. kind conspires against people, and then claims she is upstanding. your church taught you some messed up shit, didn't it? the conspiracy here is more due to selecting who does or say what here. i'm glad this doesn't meet your liking, since i don't need to give a shit either way. and another assumption of me being lonely hahahhaahaha! i never said i was. continue advocating things that are a priori wrong and inappropriate - like denying a customer service in an establishment and conspiring against people for kicks. so much church-based "empathy" you have there. i believe that's the issue.
 

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and another assumption of me being lonely hahahhaahaha!

You've said in other threads that you don't have friends or a girlfriend. Therefore you are alone. You're without social connections. The fact that you are OK with this, or so you say, doesn't make you any less alone.

Besides if you're not lonely, what are you doing here?

aaaand now we're back to assuming I'm a woman again. Cool I guess. It's just weird.

So can I get three more Hitlers? We can have a "conspiracy" of our own, for me to get the high score.
 

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lol. says mrs. kind who said along with her buddy that i deserved to be excluded in a store. looool. does anybody deserve that? i don;t believe so. i won;t wish that on you even.
 

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lol. says mrs. kind who said along with her buddy that i deserved to be excluded in a store. looool. does anybody deserve that? i don;t believe so. i won;t wish that on you even.

Thanks....but until you give more proof that you were excluded on purpose, I don't believe it. There's just no evidence.
 

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You've said in other threads that you don't have friends or a girlfriend. Therefore you are alone. Your without social connections. The fact that you are OK with this, or so you say, doesn't make you any less alone.

Besides if you're not lonely, what are you doing here?

aaaand now we're back to assuming I'm a woman again. Doesn't bother me actually. Just weird.

So can I get three more Hitlers? We can have a "conspiracy" of our own, for me to get the high score.
your church taught you nonsense again.
aren't people allowed to visit/go where they please? i don't need to justify that to you, nor anybody else here.
Mrs. Kind, if YOU are here then you won't mock anybody - ANYBODY - here for lacking friends.

so yes:

say i deserve bad service out of your spite, mrs. kind
say my issues are of less value loool. why? nobody is of lesser value.
say you're kind and decent but then actually enjoy mocking people.

ok.

i probably shouldn't respond, but then conspire against me all you wish, it's funny and belying of your "kindness".
 

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your church taught you nonsense again.
aren't people allowed to visit/go where they please? i don't need to justify that to you, nor anybody else here.
Mrs. Kind, if YOU are here then you won't mock anybody - ANYBODY - here for lacking friends.

so yes:

say i deserve bad service out of your spite, mrs. kind
say my issues are of less value loool. why? nobody is of lesser value.
say you're kind and decent but then actually enjoy mocking people.

ok.

i probably shouldn't respond, but then conspire against me all you wish, it's funny and belying of your "kindness".

I bully bullies. It's a bad habit and I probably shouldn't do it, it's bad for my own mental health and it's not really what I want my life to be about. Sometimes I just can't help myself though.
 
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