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that are all still rooted within the realm of legality.
Full honesty, 'legality' could bother me less. With objective exceptions. I mean, the law is not the same as justice. At one point there were laws that enforced segregation.. So Just because it's within the laws, doesn't mean that it has any true merit within our lives. I believe that's what people mean when they speak of government over-reach. The government has become far too comfortable in it's established position, and have gotten to the point of testing how far they can go before the people will react.. And corporations are perpetually doing the same..

I personally think it's bullshit, how little government oversight is given to something as powerful as multi-billion dollar corporations. They're allowed to sell people half finished, half broken, low quality goods, at full price, and not be penalized for it.. Honestly, it's getting to a point, that I can't even get through my day to day life, without stumbling upon yet another frustration caused by corporate greed and their desire to control people's actions (all in an effort to sell them more shit that they don't initially want, or need).

There are a lot of things I'm not picking up on..
Apologies, that's likely on me. I kinda told you to speak up, then semi-ditched the conversation. Been pretty busy the last week or so.

I bet the ignored would disagree.
IRL, I've often been in that position, and no, I would not. ignoring someone, is not the same as attempting to silence their voice all together. That is the point at which it goes against human rights. People have the right to speak, you have the right to ignore them. But, someone will always listen to what you have to say, unless they can't because you're persistently being told to shut up, or being warned by mods, or banned. A lot of the smartest people out there, with the brightest opinions, remain mostly silent because their opinions defy the mainstream, and therefore they are shunned for it.

The same happened to the first people in which theorized that the earth is round.

Humor.
I don't know if you ever watched the John Cleese interview where he speaks about political correctedness and it's impact on humor, but it's very informative. I think that when what is arguably one of the funiest men of the last few decades speaks about the dangers correctness has on humor, people should pay close attention. He's been criticized for some of his comments by people who know very little of humor and I think that's objectively unfair and very worrisome...
It's funny, I've always said, there's more enlightened and deserving politicians in comedy, than there is in politics.. RIP: George Carlin

I agree with you, but IMO some jokes should never be considered funny, like mocking disability. In before times, it wasn’t possible to push back on this. Dunno. What do you think about that? Will you clap and laugh, would you roll eyes, would you laugh but feel dirty. It all very complicated.
Eh, hard to say. This is definitely a two sided issue, but if comedy were to be hit with the same level of censorship as the internet is headed for, we'd be a pretty sad world, stuck with not much more than knock knock jokes. IMHO, it'd be the death of comedy. But that's not to say that I can't see where you're coming from either.

but there's a limit to what an employer can demand from employees.
Sadly, that limit is mostly only drawn at violence. IMHO there should be a limit to what can be expected from anyone working an hourly job at minimum wage. The general mentality is that if you want to earn more, work harder. But that doesn't work in practice, not for min wage, where your yearly/bi yearly raises amount to 5-10 cents, which then gets cancelled out like it never happened when the min wage goes up. I knew this old guy that worked at Tim Horton's, for over 10 years, and he was only making a dollar or 2 more than the kids that were just getting hired, and he worked graveyard shifts..

I just try to stick with they or them when talking about that person to another. I do sincerely hope that anyone I do encounter knows my....confusion is solely from a lack of experience, and not malicious.
I'm sure they know. Only the ignorant ones make a big deal about it when you call them him/her instead of them/they.. People have a lot to keep track of on the day to day as it is, and I personally think they're being a bit demanding with the whole thing. I mean, to expect it outta their close friends is one thing, but to start gettin all snarky about it to people they've just met, that's another..

I'm not the ignorant type, but we've always called people by their sex, not their gender.. Gender is just a word that got mistakenly used in place of sex, because society is all oppressive about sex, and makes it out to be this gross embarrassing thing (Well, that or this great amazing thing, that entire relationships should be built upon..).. Society is stupid and confusing to that degree.. But him/her, are sex, not gender. You're not born as a 'trans-dolphin' or w.e (unless you were born in a lab performing odd genetic experiments)..

You are right but it is more fun to gripe about it as if it did apply to private companies, ya know, calm a 'right' that never existed.
I think you mean 'claim'. But no, it's more fun to not be silenced while trying to make a point because your wording is somehow deemed 'harmful'..

There are terms of service and fine print on everything. If you sign whatever it is or agree to it, you are therefore bound to honor them or face the consequences of them. It has nothing to do with whether or not your "freedom" has been taken away. You AGREED to the terms. You don't HAVE to use Facebook or Twitter or this forum, you CHOOSE to, so yeah, sorry, but your arguments are entirely invalid.
Those terms of service are nothing more than to cover their asses in case people claim to have like, rights or w.e.. And people have literally no choice but to 'agree' to them. It's like several pages of shit that'd probably take you a full day to read, or a week, depending on how fast or slow you read, but no one is going to take the time because the fact is, you can't dispute what they put in there, regardless of how close to downright criminal it is.. Hell, they could be putting in there that 'by signing this, you agree to kiss any Facebook employee that you see right on the butthole', but you agreed to it.. So would you?

Seriously, would you argue so hard for contractual obligation at that point?

thats why i stick to forums ive been banned like 24 times off of discord banned from insta twitter etc and ip banned on reddit
That's the prob, forums are disappearing from the net, and most of the ones that exist are either run by corporations, or influenced by them enough to follow suite and warn/ban anyone that talks politics and such.

Honestly, I give this one five more years at most before it's either removed or taken over by a more 'politically correct' mind set..

So no red line anything goes. Should kids be allowed to mock disabled classmate?
Your examples are almost comical. Have you been attempting to work on your common sense at all?

Tossing out extreme examples doesn't make your side right.

By your logic, all Americans should have their guns taken away, because when we allow people to have guns, 'anything goes'. Are we gonna give the kids, guns too??

How do we create a more perfect Union if we keep making each other miserable. Life is hard for many
Exactly, we've gotta weed out the precious snowflakes before they destroy our society more than they already have..

Ever wonder why so many people in the modern day are anti-social, despite having access to the most diverse social engineering tools in history? It's not because they're afraid of hearing things they don't want to hear; it's because people are afraid to fuckin talk at all because they might offend someone (god forbid..).

I'm social as all hell, I talk to lots of people all the time. Do I offend people, Yes, Do I still talk to a lot of people, Also Yes. It's called being human. You can't talk openly and truly be yourself, and not offend someone. There sure should be a line, but it shouldn't be drawn so close to the edge that people have to talk like mindless robots, give up their humanity and stick to small talk only.

We learn so much about one another and about ourselves, in discussing the more diverse subjects. What else are we left with otherwise? We'd better have exact aligning interests, with exact aligning opinions on those interests, or else we'd best not talk, and just remain silent..

These “villains” have PTSD from all the disgusting things they see.
Eh.. If you're talking about illegal stuff, like people trying to upload CP or gore pictures to facebook, then that I can understand, but I certainly hope you aren't implying that they have PTSD, over reading disagreeable text..
 

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Very few users are chiming in, likely they are rolling their eyes at the ones who keep this going. In this thread, I asked questions that remained unanswered. I played devils advocate to see if there is a red line, or anything should be allowed. Bullying is a huge problem, scaring some for life. So a question if mocking disabled in school should be allowed is hardly comical. You try to teach kids some values then they supposed to grow up an laugh and comics mocking them. Because you know you shouldn’t cancel, censor, silence or you are fascist, SJW, PC police. The way I see it, if there is unruly person in the bar, they either get thrown out or everyone else leaves. It’s the bar owner who decides.
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You seem to have missed the part in my post about where I said you don't HAVE to use sites like Facebook or Twitter or even this forum. You CHOOSE to. Even stores in your town have rules you have to follow. No smoking, you have to wear clothes, etc etc.
 

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You seem to have missed the part in my post about where I said you don't HAVE to use sites like Facebook or Twitter or even this forum. You CHOOSE to. Even stores in your town have rules you have to follow. No smoking, you have to wear clothes, etc etc.
Def not you. It’s the complainers who won’t say why they feel canceled and what it means to them. Do they have red line, or not, should there be one, and where is it.
 

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Def not you. It’s the complainers who won’t say why they feel canceled and what it means to them. Do they have red line, or not, should there be one, and where is it.

My post was actually to the OP. I was just too lazy to quote and erase everything else. lol

Also, if I had to guess, I would maybe say they feel canceled because of all the evil evil women who are set on destroying them or some such bullshit.
 

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So a question if mocking disabled in school should be allowed is hardly comical.
Typically not, but in the context of this debate, it is. This is a debate about free speech, not how to raise our children. In the latter debate, I would be in full agreement with you, but common sense should be used at all times. Guns are allowed in the states, but obviously children can't have them, porn is allowed everywhere but obviously children can't have it or be in it, so why would free speech be any different? Children are still learning how to deal with the world around them, so they still need guidance to know the difference between right and wrong. What they choose to do once they're adults is up to them.

You CHOOSE to.
So if it's such a choice.. Then tell me about all the other non-corporate run social media sites we have to 'choose' from? Like, if there's so many options that we have an actual choice.. The choice when it comes right down to it, in reality, is that we can either communicate with people, or shut up and keep to ourselves. And either option is ending in the silencing of our free speech at this point.. This is why this argument agitates me, because it's a non-choice, choice.. People want to speak, and to have their voice heard, that shouldn't be a privilege, that should be a right. Obvious common sense should apply as well.

If someone is going off with hardcore, objective hate speech (like the 'all women are shit' stance taken by squidge), then something should be done. Or objective racism. For example, saying 'all lives matter', isn't racist, it's a statement that is inclusive of all people's, regardless of race or gender (regardless of the way in which people choose to take it), but saying.. Well, pretty much anything with the N word, is obviously racist. Just plain common sense.. how hard it is to make obvious distinctions.. I'm not that much of a genius, and it seems pretty easy to me.

It’s the complainers who won’t say why they feel canceled and what it means to them.
Pretty sure I stated exactly these things in the OP. But barring a lack of reading comprehension, what exactly are you looking for? You want a 'line'? It's take weeks to draw that line.. literally.. I'd have to go through every single example. Obviously use common sense.. Like, your examples/arguments are entirely nonsensical and childish.. Like I say 'everyone should have the right to free speech', and you're like 'So I should be able to go around calling everyone the N word?'. Like.. No... What is wrong with you that you would make such obvious *NO!* statements, and then act like they're logical arguments..?

PS: I know you're gonna rip into me for this if I don't point out the obvious, but.. Yes, obviously you didn't say exactly that, but it's the equivalent, I'm paraphrasing to highlight the profound denseness off your statements..

Also, if I had to guess, I would maybe say they feel canceled because of all the evil evil women who are set on destroying them or some such bullshit.
C'mon now Callie, I thought we were past this? You know that's not the way I think.
 

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Some people just want to complain, not explain. Give me the pity for I am canceled wah wah. I am so good, obviously I would never cross the N word line, but I am canceled and a victim because what I really want to say is baaaaad and now I must be silent, poor me.
 

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Some people just want to complain, not explain. Give me the pity for I am canceled wah wah. I am so good, obviously I would never cross the N word line, but I am canceled and a victim because what I really want to say is baaaaad and now I must be silent, poor me.
And some people are trollish shrews and shouldn't bother ever speaking to anyone because it's people like you that give their entire gender a bad name. It's people like you that should be silenced, not the progressive types that actually want to see the world learn and grow, and not just sit in our own echo chambers complaining about men because obviously Dick is your problem and not your bitchy attitude.
 

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Some people just want to complain, not explain. Give me the pity for I am canceled wah wah. I am so good, obviously I would never cross the N word line, but I am canceled and a victim because what I really want to say is baaaaad and now I must be silent, poor me.
The one part I'll miss most about free speech, is telling off people like you that don't deserve free speech because you'll never foster an original idea in your entire life..

Edit: TBH, I don't see a point in this thread carrying on, since the only people left talking are people that want to throw shit. And that's makin me throw shit, so yea, even I think it's time for a mod to zip this up before it goes any more off the rails.
 
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The one part I'll miss most about free speech, is telling off people like you that don't deserve free speech because you'll never foster an original idea in your entire life..
I wouldn’t lose any sleep so go for it random dude on the Internet, permission is granted. The world is collapsing because your high, mighty, invaluable and original opinion is not plastered someplace. Cry more behind a nifty slogan, I haven’t collected enough of your tears.
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