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I am Starting a new thread dedicated to the research of History, this thread will cover Archology, Historical Civilizations, Non-Historical (documented) Ancient Civilizations, Cultures, Practices (what their ideals were) my goal is to understand the connections, differences and beliefs of other civilizations. This is strictly research and not to be taken literally (not up for debate) please be respectful, allow me to research my interests as I respect your right to your beliefs and Ideals if at any time this research interests you feel free to comment but please be respectful. This research starts predating Historical Civilization of man, this research will be ongoing hopefully for quite some time (depending on my time and interest in the subject matter) some civilizations may not make the list (because I can't cover all of history) what I am hoping for though is to find the connections where the Civilizations link up to. Thank you

 
Chapter 1: A map of hidden places

Subject: Letter Head (8 recognizance technical squad, United States Air Force) dated 6th July 1960, subject: Admiral Peri Reis world map

To: Professor Charles H. Hapgood, Keene College, Keene New Hampshire

Dear Professor, Hapgood your request for the evaluation of certain unusual features of the Piri Reis world map of 1513 by this organization has been reviewed, the claim that the lower part of the map portrays the (Princess Martha Coast of Queen Maud Land Antartica, and the Paria Peninsula) is reasonable. We find this as the most logical and in all probability the correct interpretation of the map the geographical details shown in the lower part of the map agrees very remarkably with the size of the seismic rock profile made across the top of the ice cap, by the Swedish, British, Antarctic expedition of 1949, this indicates the coastline had been mapped before it was covered by the ice cap. The ice caps in this reign are now about a mile thick, we have no idea how the data on this map can be reconciled with the supposed state of the geographical knowledge in 1513.

Signed: Herald Zed Almire Lieutenant Colonel US Airforce Commander

Despite the dead Pan language, Almire's letter is a bombshell if Queen Maud Land was mapped before it was covered by ice the original Cartography must have been done an extraordinarily long time ago, how long ago exactly? Conventional wisdom has it that the Antarctic ice cap in its present extent and form is millions of years old, on closer examination this notion turns out to be seriously flawed, so seriously that we need not assume the map drawn by Piri Reis depicts Queen Maud Land as it looked millions of years in the past. The best recent evidence suggests that Queen Maud Land and the neighboring regions show one the map passed through a long ice-free period which may not have come completely to an end till about 6,000 years ago this evidence in which we shall touch upon again in the next chapter liberates us for the burdens or tasks of explaining who or what had the technology to take an accurate geographical survey of Antartica in say 2 million BC. Long before our own species came into existence, by the same token since map making is a complex and civilized activity it compels us to explain how such a task could have been accomplished even 6,000 years ago well before the development of the first true civilizations recognized by historians. Ancient sources, in attempting that explanation it is worth reminding ourselves of basic historical and geological facts:

1. The Piri Reis map, which is a genuine document not a hoax of any kind was made in Constantinople in AD 1513

2. It focuses on the western coast of Africa, the eastern coast of South America, and the northern coast of Antartica.

3. Piri Reis could not have acquired this information on this Latin region for contemporary explorers, because Antartica remained undiscovered until AD 1818 more than 300 years after he drew the map.

4, The ice-free coast of Queen Maud Land shown on the map is a colossal puzzle, because the geological evidence confirms that latest date it could have been surveyed and charted in an ice-free condition is 4,000 BC.

5. It is not possible to pinpoint the earliest date that such a task could have been accomplished, but it seems that the Queen Maud Land may have remained a stable and glaciated condition for at least 9,000 years before the spreading ice caps swallowed it in its entirety.

6. There is no civilization known to history that had the capacity or the need to survey that coastline in the in the ravelment period between 13,000 BC and 4,000 BC, (in other words) the true enigma of this 1513 map is not so much its inclusion of a continent not discover until 1818, but its partial of part of the coastline of that part of that continent under ice free conditions, which came to an end 6,000 years ago and not since recured, how can this be explained?

Piri Reis obligingly give us the answer in a series of notes written in his own hand on the map itself, he tells us that he was not responsible for the original surveying of cartography, on the contrary he admits that his role was merely of compiler and copyist, and that the map was derived from a large number of source maps. Some of these can be drawn by contemporary or near contemporary explorers, including Chistopher Columbus who had by then reached South America and the Caribbean, but others were documented starting back to the 4th century BC or earlier. Piri Reis did not venture any suggestion as to the identity of the cartographers who had produced the earlier maps, in 1963 however Professor Hapgood proposed a novel and thought-provoking solution to the problem. He argued that some of the source maps the Admiral had made use of and those particular said to date back to the 4th century BC, had themselves bin based on even older source which in turn had been based on source that originated in the furthest antiquity. Therein he asserted irrefutable evidence that the earth had bin incomprehensibly mapped before 4,000 BC by a hither to unknown and undiscovered civilization, which had a high level of technological advancement it appeared this he concluded that accurate information has been passed down from people to people. It appears that the charts must have originated with the people unknown and that they were passed on perhaps by the Minoans and Phoenicians who were for 1,000 years or more the greatest sailors the world has ever known. We have evidence that they were collected and studied in the great library of Alexandria in Egypt and the compilations of them were made by the geographers who worked there for Alexandria, according to Hapgood's reconstruction.

Copies of these compilations and some of the original source maps were transferred to other centers of learning noticeably Constantinople. Finally, when Constantinople was seized by the Phoenicians in the 4th crusade in 1204 AD, the maps began to find their way into the hands of European sailors and adventurers. Most of these makes were of the Mediterranean or the Black Sea, but maps of other areas survived these included maps the American, maps of the Artic and Antarctic Oceans it becomes clear that the ancient voyagers traveled from pole to pole. Unbelievable as it may appear the evidence nevertheless indicates that some ancient people explored Antarctic when its coasts were free of ice. It is clear to that they had an instrument of navigation for accurately determining longitudes that was far superior to anything possessed by the people of ancient, medieval, or modern times until the second half of the 18th century, this evidence of a lost technology this support will give credence to the many other Hypotheses that have been brought forward of a lost civilization of remote times. Scholars have been able to dismiss most of the evidence as mere myth, but here we have evidence that cannot be dismissed the evidence requires that all the other evidence that has been brought forward in the past should be reexamined with an open mind. Despite a ringing endorsement form Albert Einstein and despite the later admission of John Wright President of the American Geographical Society that Hapgood had posed a hypotheses that cry aloud for further testing, no other scientific research has ever been undertaken into these anomalist early maps, more over far from being applauded for making a serious new contribution to the debate about the antiquity of human civilization Hapgood until his death was cold shouldered by the majority of his professional peers. Who couched their discussion of his work in what has been accurately been described as thick and unwarranted sarcasm, selecting trivia and fact is not subject to verification as the bases for condemnation seeking in this way to avoid the basic issues.
 
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The Piri Reis map is a world map compiled in 1513 by the Ottoman admiral and cartographer Piri Reis. Approximately one third of the map survives; it shows the western coasts of Europe and North Africa and the coast of Brazil with reasonable accuracy. Various Atlantic islands, including the Azores and Canary Islands, are depicted, as is the mythical island of Antillia and possibly Japan.

The map's historical importance lies in its demonstration of the extent of exploration of the New World by approximately 1510, and in its claim to have used a map made by Christopher Columbus, otherwise lost, as a source. Piri also stated that he had used ten Arab sources and four Indian maps sourced from the Portuguese. More recently, the map has been the focus of claims for the pre-modern exploration of the Antarctic coast.

The Piri Reis map is in the Library of the Topkapı Palace in Istanbul, Turkey, but is not usually on display to the public.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map
Queen Maud Land is a roughly 2.7-million-square-kilometre (1.0-million-square-mile) region of Antarctica claimed by Norway as a dependent territory. It borders the claimed British Antarctic Territory 20° west and the Australian Antarctic Territory 45° east. In addition, a small unclaimed area from 1939 was annexed on 12 June 2015. Positioned in East Antarctica, it makes out about one-fifth of the continent, and is named after the Norwegian queen Maud of Wales (1869–1938).

In 1930, the Norwegian Hjalmar Riiser-Larsen was the first person known to have set foot in the territory. On 14 January 1939, the territory was claimed by Norway. On 23 June 1961, Queen Maud Land became part of the Antarctic Treaty System, making it a demilitarised zone. It is one of two Antarctic claims made by Norway, the other being Peter I Island. They are administered by the Polar Affairs Department of the Norwegian Ministry of Justice and Public Security in Oslo.

Most of the territory is covered by the east Antarctic ice sheet, and a tall ice wall stretches throughout its coast. In some areas farther within the ice sheet, mountain ranges breach through the ice, allowing for birds to breed and the growth of a limited flora. The region is divided into, from west to east, the Princess Martha Coast, Princess Astrid Coast, Princess Ragnhild Coast, Prince Harald Coast and Prince Olav Coast:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Maud_Land
Princess Martha Coast (Norwegian: Kronprinsesse Märtha Kyst) is that portion of the coast of Queen Maud Land lying between 05° E and the terminus of Stancomb-Wills Glacier, at 20° W. The entire coastline is bounded by ice shelves with ice cliffs 20 to 35 metres (66 to 115 ft) high.

Princess Martha Coast was the first portion of Antarctic mainland discovered by a human, Fabian von Bellingshausen and Mikhail Lazarev in 1820. The name "Crown Princess Martha Land" was originally applied by Capt. Hjalmar Riiser-Larsen to that section of the coast in the vicinity of Cape Norvegia which he discovered from the Norvegia and roughly charted from the air during February 1930.

On January 19, 1939, Nazi Germany reached the Martha Coast which was a part of the The German Antarctic Expedition

It is named in honour of Crown Princess Märtha of Norway.

Troll is located in the eastern part, 235 kilometres (146 mi) from the coast. Explora Escarpment is an undersea escarpment off the coast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Martha_Coast
The Paria Peninsula (Spanish: Península de Paria) is a large peninsula on the Caribbean Sea, in the state of Sucre in northern Venezuela.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paria... Coastal Range portion of the northern Andes.
The pan configuration language allows the definition of machine configuration information and an associated schema with a simple, human-accessible syntax. A pan language compiler transforms the configuration information contained within a set of pan templates to a machine-friendly XML or JSON format.

The pan language is used within the Quattor toolkit to define the desired configuration for one or more machines. The language is primarily a declarative language where elements in a hierarchical tree are set to particular values. The pan syntax is human-friendly and fairly simple, yet allows system administrators to simultaneously set configuration values, define an overall configuration schema, and validate the final configuration against the schema.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_(...erarchical tree are set to particular values.
 
The Minoan civilization was a Bronze Age Aegean civilization on the island of Crete and other Aegean Islands, whose earliest beginnings were from c. 3500 BC, with the complex urban civilization beginning around 2000 BC, and then declining from c. 1450 BC until it ended around 1100 BC, during the early Greek Dark Ages. It represents the first advanced civilization in Europe, leaving behind a number of massive building complexes, sophisticated art, and writing systems. Its economy benefited from a network of trade around much of the Mediterranean.

The civilization was rediscovered at the beginning of the 20th century through the work of British archaeologist Sir Arthur Evans. The name "Minoan" derives from the mythical King Minos and was coined by Evans, who identified the site at Knossos with the labyrinth of the Minotaur. The Minoan civilization has been described as the earliest of its kind in Europe, and historian Will Durant called the Minoans "the first link in the European chain".

The Minoans built large and elaborate palaces up to four storeys high, featuring elaborate plumbing systems and decorated with frescoes. The largest Minoan palace is that of Knossos, followed by that of Phaistos. The function of the palaces, like most aspects of Minoan governance and religion, remains unclear. The Minoan period saw extensive trade by Crete with Aegean and Mediterranean settlements, particularly those in the Near East. Through traders and artists, Minoans cultural influence reached beyond Crete to the Cyclades, the Old Kingdom of Egypt, copper-bearing Cyprus, Canaan and the Levantine coast and Anatolia. Some of the best Minoan art was preserved in the city of Akrotiri on the island of Santorini; Akrotiri had been effectively destroyed by the Minoan eruption.

The Minoans primarily wrote in the Linear A script and also in Cretan hieroglyphs, encoding a language hypothetically labelled Minoan. The reasons for the slow decline of the Minoan civilization, beginning around 1550 BC, are unclear; theories include Mycenaean invasions from mainland Greece and the major volcanic eruption of Santorini.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_civilization
Phoenicia was an ancient thalassocratic (a state with primarily maritime realms) civilization originating in the Levant region of the eastern Mediterranean, primarily located in modern Lebanon. The territory of the Phoenician city-states extended and shrank throughout their history and they possessed several enclaves such as Arwad and Tell Sukas (modern Syria). The core region in which the Phoenician culture developed and thrived stretched from Tripoli and Byblos in northern Lebanon to Mount Carmel in modern Israel. At their height, the Phoenician possessions in the Eastern Mediterranean stretched from the Orontes River mouth to Ashkelon. Beyond its homeland, the Phoenician civilization extended to the Mediterranean from Cyprus to the Iberian Peninsula.

The Phoenicians were a Semitic-speaking people of somewhat unknown origin who emerged in the Levant around 3000 BC. The term Phoenicia is an ancient Greek exonym that most likely described one of their most famous exports, a dye also known as Tyrian purple; it did not correspond precisely to a cohesive culture or society as it would have been understood natively. It is debated whether Phoenicians were actually distinct from the broader group of Semitic-speaking peoples known as Canaanites. Historian Robert Drews believes the term "Canaanites" corresponds to the ethnic group referred to as "Phoenicians" by the ancient Greeks; However, according to archaeologist Jonathan N. Tubb, "Ammonites, Moabites, Israelites, and Phoenicians undoubtedly achieved their own cultural identities, and yet ethnically they were all Canaanites", "the same people who settled in farming villages in the region in the 8th millennium BC.": 13–14

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia

The Great Library of Alexandria in Alexandria, Egypt, was one of the largest and most significant libraries of the ancient world. The Library was part of a larger research institution called the Mouseion, which was dedicated to the Muses, the nine goddesses of the arts. The idea of a universal library in Alexandria may have been proposed by Demetrius of Phalerum, an exiled Athenian statesman living in Alexandria, to Ptolemy I Soter, who may have established plans for the Library, but the Library itself was probably not built until the reign of his son Ptolemy II Philadelphus. The Library quickly acquired many papyrus scrolls, owing largely to the Ptolemaic kings' aggressive and well-funded policies for procuring texts. It is unknown precisely how many such scrolls were housed at any given time, but estimates range from 40,000 to 400,000 at its height.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria
The American Geographical Society (AGS) is an organization of professional geographers, founded in 1851 in New York City. Most fellows of the society are Americans, but among them have always been a significant number of fellows from around the world. The society encourages activities that expands geographical knowledge, and the interpretation of that knowledge so that it can be useful to geographers and other disciplines, especially in a policymaking environment. It is the oldest nationwide geographical organization in the United States. Over the century and a half of its existence, the AGS has been especially interested in three regions: the Arctic, the Antarctic, and Latin America. A signature characteristic of the AGS-sponsored exploration was the requirement that its expeditions produce tangible scientific results.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Geographical_Society
 
Hey, Bam. I like all the facts. But, I would like to see you post more of your opinions on the stuff you are researching/including. What part of history do you like the most and why? Do you believe that aliens came to earth many years ago and maybe helped shape the culture? How about the pyramids? What do you think about those?

I think you have researched much more stuff then most so your conclusions would be helpful or atleast interesting.
 
Hey, Bam. I like all the facts. But, I would like to see you post more of your opinions on the stuff you are researching/including. What part of history do you like the most and why? Do you believe that aliens came to earth many years ago and maybe helped shape the culture? How about the pyramids? What do you think about those?

I think you have researched much more stuff then most so your conclusions would be helpful or atleast interesting.

this is just translation I am analyzing the chapter and compiling the evidence It took me all night to map out the information a lot of these topics are foreign to me this Is the Archeologists words as well as the references to evaluate the research. It's coming I just have to write it now and evaluate all these references and tie ins to the chapter this took me all night to compile believe it or not. So, thank you for the interest I'm working on the feedback on my part to all this knowledge in just the first chapter of the book its Archeology, History, and Cartography these topics are a bit newer to me besides some knowledge of history but not as far back as this book goes 4000 BC is a long time ago. But I will write my take on the chapter I'm working on it thank you for your reply.
 
References in the Chapter:

The Piri Reis map is a world map compiled in 1513 by the Ottoman admiral and cartographer Piri Reis. Approximately one third of the map survives; it shows the western coasts of Europe and North Africa and the coast of Brazil with reasonable accuracy. Various Atlantic islands, including the Azores and Canary Islands, are depicted, as is the mythical island of Antillia and possibly Japan.

The map's historical importance lies in its demonstration of the extent of exploration of the New World by approximately 1510, and in its claim to have used a map made by Christopher Columbus, otherwise lost, as a source. Piri also stated that he had used ten Arab sources and four Indian maps sourced from the Portuguese. More recently, the map has been the focus of claims for the pre-modern exploration of the Antarctic coast.

The Piri Reis map is in the Library of the Topkapı Palace in Istanbul, Turkey, but is not usually on display to the public.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map
Queen Maud Land is a roughly 2.7-million-square-kilometre (1.0-million-square-mile) region of Antarctica claimed by Norway as a dependent territory. It borders the claimed British Antarctic Territory 20° west and the Australian Antarctic Territory 45° east. In addition, a small unclaimed area from 1939 was annexed on 12 June 2015. Positioned in East Antarctica, it makes out about one-fifth of the continent, and is named after the Norwegian queen Maud of Wales (1869–1938).

In 1930, the Norwegian Hjalmar Riiser-Larsen was the first person known to have set foot in the territory. On 14 January 1939, the territory was claimed by Norway. On 23 June 1961, Queen Maud Land became part of the Antarctic Treaty System, making it a demilitarised zone. It is one of two Antarctic claims made by Norway, the other being Peter I Island. They are administered by the Polar Affairs Department of the Norwegian Ministry of Justice and Public Security in Oslo.

Most of the territory is covered by the east Antarctic ice sheet, and a tall ice wall stretches throughout its coast. In some areas farther within the ice sheet, mountain ranges breach through the ice, allowing for birds to breed and the growth of a limited flora. The region is divided into, from west to east, the Princess Martha Coast, Princess Astrid Coast, Princess Ragnhild Coast, Prince Harald Coast and Prince Olav Coast:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Maud_Land
Princess Martha Coast (Norwegian: Kronprinsesse Märtha Kyst) is that portion of the coast of Queen Maud Land lying between 05° E and the terminus of Stancomb-Wills Glacier, at 20° W. The entire coastline is bounded by ice shelves with ice cliffs 20 to 35 metres (66 to 115 ft) high.

Princess Martha Coast was the first portion of Antarctic mainland discovered by a human, Fabian von Bellingshausen and Mikhail Lazarev in 1820. The name "Crown Princess Martha Land" was originally applied by Capt. Hjalmar Riiser-Larsen to that section of the coast in the vicinity of Cape Norvegia which he discovered from the Norvegia and roughly charted from the air during February 1930.

On January 19, 1939, Nazi Germany reached the Martha Coast which was a part of the The German Antarctic Expedition

It is named in honour of Crown Princess Märtha of Norway.

Troll is located in the eastern part, 235 kilometres (146 mi) from the coast. Explora Escarpment is an undersea escarpment off the coast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Martha_Coast
The Paria Peninsula (Spanish: Península de Paria) is a large peninsula on the Caribbean Sea, in the state of Sucre in northern Venezuela.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paria... Coastal Range portion of the northern Andes.
The pan configuration language allows the definition of machine configuration information and an associated schema with a simple, human-accessible syntax. A pan language compiler transforms the configuration information contained within a set of pan templates to a machine-friendly XML or JSON format.

The pan language is used within the Quattor toolkit to define the desired configuration for one or more machines. The language is primarily a declarative language where elements in a hierarchical tree are set to particular values. The pan syntax is human-friendly and fairly simple, yet allows system administrators to simultaneously set configuration values, define an overall configuration schema, and validate the final configuration against the schema.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_(...erarchical tree are set to particular values.
This is very interesting to know this and learn this,Iam Norwegian,on the group tour I went on,Oslo was an area I traveled to.
 
this is just translation I am analyzing the chapter and compiling the evidence It took me all night to map out the information a lot of these topics are foreign to me this Is the Archeologists words as well as the references to evaluate the research. It's coming I just have to write it now and evaluate all these references and tie ins to the chapter this took me all night to compile believe it or not. So, thank you for the interest I'm working on the feedback on my part to all this knowledge in just the first chapter of the book its Archeology, History, and Cartography these topics are a bit newer to me besides some knowledge of history but not as far back as this book goes 4000 BC is a long time ago. But I will write my take on the chapter I'm working on it thank you for your reply.
Wow! You really dive deep into things.
 
Wow! You really dive deep into things.
Only things that interest me I have a thirst for knowledge, but I think I may be a bit over my head, and I love it! lol I have never read a book that made me go so far into different places that I have never been before. The next post will be my compiled thoughts on the chapter.
 
This is very interesting to know this and learn this,Iam Norwegian,on the group tour I went on,Oslo was an area I traveled to.
You're going to have very long reads with this book this is only the 1st part its 6 and a half hours, long chapters and vast amount of historical information. stay tuned it's going to take a while to compile lol :D
 
You're going to have very long reads with this book this is only the 1st part its 6 and a half hours, long chapters and vast amount of historical information. stay tuned it's going to take a while to compile lol :D
Lol,I can't wait 😀
 
A man ahead of his time

The late Charles Hapgood taught the history of science at Keene College, New Hampshire, USA. He wasn’t a geologist, or an ancient historian. It is possible, however, that future generations will remember him as the man whose work undermined the foundations of world history and a large chunk of world geology as well. Albert Einstein was among the first to realize this when he took the unprecedented step of contributing the foreword to a book Hapgood wrote in 1953, some years before he began his investigation of the Piri Reis Map: I frequently receive communications from people who wish to consult me concerning their unpublished ideas Einstein observed. It goes without saying that these ideas are very seldom possessed of scientific validity. The very first communication, however, that I received from Mr. Hapgood electrified me. His idea is original, of great simplicity, and if it continues to prove itself of great importance to everything that is related to the history of the earth’s surface. The ‘idea’ expressed in Hapgood’s 1953 book is a global geological theory which elegantly explains how and why large parts of Antarctica could have remained ice-free until 4000 BC, together with many other anomalies of earth science. In brief the argument is:

1 Antarctica was not always covered with ice and was at one time much warmer than it is today.

2 It was warm because it was not physically located at the South Pole in that period. Instead, it was approximately 2000 miles farther north. This would have put it outside the Antarctic Circle in a temperate or cold temperate climate.

3 The continent moved to its present position inside the Antarctic Circle as a result of a mechanism known as ‘earth-crust displacement. This mechanism, in no sense to be confused with plate-tectonics or continental drift, is one whereby the lithosphere, the whole outer crust of the earth, may be displaced at times, moving over the soft inner body, much as the skin of an orange, if it were loose, might shift over the inner part of the orange all in one piece.

4 During the envisaged southwards movement of Antarctica brought about by earth-crust displacement, the continent would gradually have grown colder, an icecap forming and remorselessly expanding over several thousands of years until it attained its present dimensions. Further details of the evidence supporting these radical proposals are set out in Part VIII of this book. Orthodox geologists, however, remain reluctant to accept Hapgood’s theory (although none has succeeded in proving it incorrect). It raises many questions.


Of these by far the most important is what conceivable mechanism would be able to exert sufficient thrust on the lithosphere to precipitate a phenomenon of such magnitude. We have no better guide than Einstein to summarize Hapgood’s findings: In a polar region there is continual deposition of ice, which is not symmetrically distributed about the pole. The earth’s rotation acts on these unsymmetrically deposited masses and produces centrifugal momentum that is transmitted to the rigid crust of the earth. The constantly increasing centrifugal momentum produced in this way will, when it has reached a certain point, produce a movement of the earth’s crust over the rest of the earth’s body. The Piri Reis Map seems to contain surprising collateral evidence in support of the thesis of a geologically recent glaciation of parts of Antarctica following a sudden southward displacement of the earth’s crust. Moreover, since such a map could only have been drawn prior to 4000 BC, its implications for the history of human civilization are staggering. Prior to 4000 BC there are supposed to have been no civilizations at all. At some risk of over-simplification, the academic consensus is broadly:

• Civilization first developed in the Fertile Crescent of the Middle East.

• This development began after 4000 BC and culminated in the emergence of the earliest true civilizations (Sumer and Egypt) around 3000 BC, soon followed by the Indus Valley and China.

• About 1500 years later, civilization took off spontaneously and independently in the Americas. • Since 3000 BC in the Old World (and about 1500 BC in the New) civilization has steadily ‘evolved’ in the direction of ever more refined, complex and productive forms.

• In consequence, and particularly by comparison with ourselves, all ancient civilizations (and all their works) are to be understood as essentially primitive (the Sumerian astronomers regarded the heavens with unscientific awe, and even the pyramids of Egypt were built by technological primitives). The evidence of the Piri Reis Map appears to contradict all this.


Piri Reis and his sources

In his day, Piri Reis was a well-known figure; his historical identity is firmly established. An admiral in the navy of the Ottoman Turks, he was involved, often on the winning side, in numerous sea battles around the mid-sixteenth century. He was, in addition, considered an expert on the lands of the Mediterranean, and was the author of a famous sailing book, the Kitabi Bahriye, which provided a comprehensive description of the coasts, harbours, currents, shallows, landing places, bays and straits of the Aegean and Mediterranean Seas. Despite this illustrious career he fell foul of his masters and was beheaded in AD 1554 or 1555.19 The source maps Piri Reis used to draw up his 1513 map were in all probability lodged originally in the Imperial Library at Constantinople, to which the admiral is known to have enjoyed privileged access. Those sources (which may have been transferred or copied from even more ancient centres of learning) no longer exist, or, at any rate, have not been found. It was, however, in the library of the old Imperial Palace at Constantinople that the Piri Reis Map was rediscovered, painted on a gazelle skin and rolled up on a dusty shelf, as recently as 1929.20 Legacy of a lost civilization? As the baffled Ohlmeyer admitted in his letter to Hapgood in 1960, the Piri Reis Map depicts the subglacial topography, the true profile of Queen Maud Land Antarctica beneath the ice. This profile remained completely hidden from view from 4000 BC (when the advancing ice sheet covered it) until it was revealed again as a result of the comprehensive seismic survey of Queen Maud Land carried out during 1949 by a joint British-Swedish scientific reconnaissance team. If Piri Reis had been the only cartographer with access to such anomalous information, it would be wrong to place any great weight on his map.


At the most one might say, ‘Perhaps it is significant but, then again, perhaps it is just a coincidence.’ However, the Turkish admiral was by no means alone in the possession of seemingly impossible and inexplicable geographical knowledge. It would be futile to speculate further than Hapgood has already done as to what ‘underground stream’ could have carried and preserved such knowledge through the ages, transmitting fragments of it from culture to culture and from epoch to epoch. Whatever the mechanism, the fact is that a number of other cartographers seem to have been privy to the same curious secrets. Is it possible that all these mapmakers could have partaken, perhaps unknowingly, in the bountiful scientific legacy of a vanished civilization?

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I was not aware that the chapter was still not finished I am writing the review and commentary (my thoughts) of the first chapter as of now its nearly finished, thank you.
 
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Were to begin? There is so much documentation in the first chapter, it's both compelling and intimidating. I was aware of this book only two years prior this entry by my brother who happened upon this brilliant archeologist on a podcast his name is Graham Hancock in this 3 hour 38-minute podcast he went (in detail) about his findings and research on the origins of a remote civilization that predates ancient civilization. (In the podcast Graham states) 10,000 years ago towards the end of the last ice age, humanity was wiped out or mostly wiped out in a big way and had to rebuild, he believes we lost a civilization that has not been recorded by history and that it went underwater with the rising sea levels. Graham goes on to state that he believes that this remote civilization could be traced back around 12,000 years in the past, but his colleague believes it could date back even further claiming around 30,000 years due to the placement of the pyramids of Egypt, the Egyptians themselves state that they were the end product of their civilization, researching the erosion on the temple of the sphinx unusual water erosion markings that led Graham to believe his claim in the first place, using astronomy and axial procession (the wobble of the earths spinning on its axis) which takes 26,000 years to complete a cycle. Graham's research on the Piri Reis map found in 1513 lead him to believe this remote civilization lays buried under the ice caps of Antartica, he believes that this remote civilization was the lost civilization of Atlantis the mythical highly advanced civilization that was wiped off the face of the earth in a massive flood and buried over by the ice caps of Antarctica 10,000 years in the past.

Some of the possibilities/scenarios of Atlantis

There are many speculations, opinions about this remote civilization and what happened to them after the disaster of the flood, where did they go? were they wiped out completely? Some of my studies prior to this book I have compiled some possible theories (not my belief) on the different possible locations of the people of Atlantis as for the origin of this civilization there is also speculation on that due to different monuments and temples found all over parts the world.


1. Agartha - In India a truly ancient legend that predates the Hindu religion tells of a large island of unparallel beauty that long ago lay in the center of vast center Asian sea just north of the modern-day Himalayas. A race of godlike people with strange powers lay isolated on the island uncommunicating with the outside world except for a series of deep tunnels, which stretched out (in all directions) hundreds or thousands of miles long. Burrowing under whole continents even oceans, on this isolated island this society flourished at an extraordinary rate, science and the arts developed peacefully never threatened by wars or epidemics. remaining purposefully hidden to protect their wealth of knowledge. From the calamities the habitually plagued their brothers and sisters in the outside world, but a tremendous force was soon to befall the earth and even this utopia was doomed to destruction if they stayed their place. The events that occurred to this civilization's destruction vary from tale to tale in different regions, but the story tells the people of the island escaped by moving their society into those tunnels and rebuilding their entire civilization entirely underground no longer an island but a subterranean kingdom. Leaving no trace on the surface but the entrances to their tunnels, most caved in over thousands of years, which became what is otherwise known as Agartha the subterranean civilization.


2. Minoans - located on the edge of the Aegan Sea on a large island of Crete was home to one of the most developed civilizations of the bronze age this civilization almost remained forgotten in history, and its discovery was consequence of major efforts of one Aurthor John Evans who was an English archeologist who traveled to Greece to study the rubble of the city of Mycenae. In 1900 AD in his studies, he discovered an unknown civilization at the time which led him to different places in Greece in search of answers, eventually Aruthur reached the island of Crete guided by the stories of the population found the site of the legendary Palace of Knossos which belong to King Menos of the legend of the Minotaur. He named the people Minoans after the King Minos who according to (Greek Myth) was the son of Zeus, the Minoans likely arrived in Cete from Anatolia were turkey is today that migration also occurred in the middle paleolithic period in 128,000 BC however to Minoan culture only started to develop after having mastered agriculture which accrued around 5,000 BC. After the bronze age advance the Minoans began a culture based on sea trading using there incredibly advanced ships for the first time, the Minoan vessels were elegant and robust, they could carry food and goods thanks to their ability to sail for days at sea. The Minoans began to trade with people from Anatolia, Phonetician, Greece, Egypt and Africa its culture began to flourish in many ways since the island of Crete offered natural protection it did not endure invasion from other people for centuries. Research is ongoing into Minoan history

Deity Civilizations: I cover this topic of the deity civilization as a side note, are not called or referenced as Atlanteans but for reasons interestingly enough are referenced to by one of the oldest civilizations as their ancestors and predate ancient civilization which are kind enough to speculate around certain timelines far past historical record (so they were not called Atlanteans directly or share similarity completely as the first two mentioned in the list above so this is another possibility that goes a bit off the subject matter, but is asked by someone, for me to speculate if I think there is Aliens that lived on Earth this subject matter sounds more along the lines as this topic of Alien.) This civilization listed below mentioned by Sumerians (as I am hoping through the course of this book will tie into others with more in-depth documentation, research and similar characteristics to each other I cannot cover all the civilizations only the ones I know about, but I am hoping that the book will reference more of them as it progresses.)

3. Annunaki- Part of Sumerian history establish in 4,500 BC in Mesopotamia one of the oldest civilizations known to history. The Sumerians depicted their ancestor deity god's civilization in writing on clay tablets known as cuneiform writing, they depict the Annunaki (there deity ancestors) as space travelers from a far-off planet in at the ends of our solar system they called Nibiru. Every 3,600 years (according to them) it enters an orbit close to the planet earth, home to the Annunaki who were experiencing difficulty on their planet due to a drastic change in the climate and atmosphere of the planet changing rapidly, making it difficult to produce food. It was necessary for them to use advance methods of technology, alchemy, and magic to reverse this situation, to do so a large amount of gold was needed since the metal has purifying properties capable of resisting even cosmic radiation. However, gold was a rare recourse in Nibiru. And with no other alternative the Annunaki used their advanced technology and sent ships into space in search of the precious golden metal, after a long and tiring search (accordioning to the Sumerians) they arrived on earth ruffly around 445,000 years ago. At this time the earth was only inhabited by animals such as Mammoths, sabretooth tigers and prime apes, the Annunaki settled in Mesopotamia and built a city called Eridu in this city was a wonderous garden which had fruit trees and animals. The Garden created by the Annunaki was called Eden, shortly after gold excavation began in underground mines. To complete the heavy task, they brought with them slaves from another race known by the IGIG after years of forced labor and humiliation the IGIG rebelled against the Annunaki giving raise to the first war on earth. The IGIG were defeated and decimated, the Annunaki needed new workers, the solution was to create a new race of intelligent beings able to work but more harmless then the IGIG, so the Annunaki combined their genes with the ancestors of human beings, creating a submissive race at their command. Research still ongoing this is a summary.


Some of the tie ins in ancient historical mythology to the cataclysmic event which shifted the earth:

On December 7th, 2001, a news articled posted on the BBC: (Lost City) found beneath Cuban waters

This exciting news came from a team of explorers headed by Pauline Zelitsky a marine engineer and her husband Paul Weinzweig, there company worked side by side with the Cuban government to try to uncover hundreds of treasure latent ships for the Spanish colonial era what they uncovered using their advanced sonar equipment was far more mysterious. According to what they reported Weinzweig and Zelitsky made a deal with Fidel Castro in order to do side scan sonar readings of the sea floor around Cuba, they were looking for sunken Spanish treasure galleons in order to have gold that might be found, the gold would then be split 50/50 between them and Cuba.
 

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And nobody else had gotten these rights before, so it was very exciting, when they used the sonar on the seabed, what they found was not sunken gold. They found incredible architectural monuments down there, and these monuments were specifically located off the western tip of Cuba about a half mile below sea level, in very harsh ocean currents that make it almost impossible for object to have anything go down there, except for some of the best submersibles. What they say was some of these side scan sonar readings were pyramid like buildings, long roads, all kinds of megalithic stone architecture. And what we hear from some of the original reports, was that they signed an exclusive deal with National Geographic magazine, that this whole story was going to go public in the summer of 2003. And well, that obviously did not happen in the meantime Pauline Zelitsky was leaking information about those discoveries that they were revealing and according to Zelitsky's reports, she was using a submersible and saw that there were sphinxes down there, and that there were bizarre inscriptions on the stones.

And remember, we are dealing with something that cannot possibly been seen above sea level for at least 11,000 years, she had submersible footage of a pyramid down there that has kind of a change in the slope angle as it goes halfway up, kind of similar to the bent pyramid of Djoser in Egypt. So, we are seeing a direct relationship between these monuments and the ones we see in Egypt, which suggests that the Egyptian pyramids, as well may have been built at the same time, and therefore may be far older than the assumptions of conventional archeology. And then suddenly the whole story somehow got suppressed. Zelitsky estimated that it would have taken over 11,000 years for such a structure to sunken to the depth at which these structures are said to be found, strangely after they released their findings, the news outlets and networks went dark, what might they have stumbled upon?

When we talk about submerged cities, we are lending credibility to the emerging evidence of cyclic civilization, the question is how far back do those civilizations go? First, they appear to occur in 5,000-year cycles. The historic context of civilizations going back 50,000, 60,000 even 70,000 years along these 5,000-year cycles shows up in the mythology, maybe the mythology is based on more fact than we have been led to believe in the past, or we have been willing to embrace in the past. If this structure underneath the ocean floor sank possibly 11,000 years or more ago, could this be a link to the infamous Atlantis? Alantis is almost a catch all term for trying to find the origins of civilization itself, this probably goes back to the 19th century, when the US congressman by the name of Ignatius Donelly wrote a book that was to become the seminal work on Atlantis. It was entitled (Atlantis the Antediluvian World,) and in here what he proposed was that all the civilizations of the ancient world and the new world, the Americas, had a mother civilization as its source. All of the information's that has been left to us on Atlantis by Plato, the Greek philosopher who wrote around 350 BC, suggests that we should be looking for Atlantis somewhere area of the Bahamas and the Caribbean. But because of Ignatius Donelly's ideas to do with a mother civilization, Atlantis therefore becomes this concept, more than an actual drowned city. They may well have been drowned, destroyed, in the great cataclysm the so call Younger-Dryas event.


Graham Hancock's words: And I think I need to explain the Younger-Dryas.

Let's first of all consider the world during the Ice Age, everybody's heard of the Ice Age, what was the Ice Age? The last Ice Age set in about 125,000 years ago, and it saw the buildup of giant ice caps primarily on top of North America and on top of Northern Europe, exactly why the Ice Age happened is still a subject that scientist argue about. But it's not in dispute that an ice cap 2 miles deep sat on top of North America and a huge area of Northern Europe that same 2-mile-deep ice cap, it reaches its maximum extent about 21,000 years ago. The temperatures are warming, almost actually to modern levels, and the ice is beginning to disappear, and then suddenly 12,800 years ago, really suddenly literally overnight everything changes. And the earth is plunged back again into a massive deep freeze. This is a time of huge extinction of species that are wiped out, the new evidence that is providing coherent sense is the Younger Dryas effect hypothesis. And it has been put forward by a large group of mainstream credentialed scientists. And what they have said is that they have found evidence which suggests the Earth was hit by several fragments of a comet, for a long time the comet was out there. It was probably a very spectacular visual presence, but it wasn't hitting the earth, but 12,800 years ago, by which time when that comet begun to fragment had broken up into lots of fragments.


And the estimates are that four of those fragments, four hit the Northern America icecap, that instant of impact would have created so much heat that it would have melted large areas of North American icecap and sent water flooding south. Then within a matter of days or weeks of that release of water, the freezing temperature has begun, and there's no more release of water, the world goes dry at that point, and into a very deep, dark, frozen period accompanied by animal extinctions. The Yonger Dryas lasts for 1,200 years, it lasts from 12,800 years ago to 11,600 years ago, and then something really weird happens, the Earth has been in a deep freeze, suddenly 11,600 years ago you get a second massive pulse of melt water into the world ocean. One very strong suggestion is that the Earth intersected again with the debris stream of the same comet, and that there were further impact 11,600 years ago, but those impacts were not on ice. Those impacts were entirely oceanic, you get big comet impacts in an ocean, and what you're going to get, as well as well as extraordinary tidal waves is, a massive amount of water vapor thrown up into the upper atmosphere, and that water vapor creates a greenhouse effect. Which accounts for the very radical warming of the earth, it has to be rather intriguing that's the exact date 11,600 years ago that Gobekli Tepe is founded, and it has to be even more intriguing that 11,600 years ago is the exact date that Plato gives us for the destruction and disappearance beneath the flood of the oceans of the lost Civilization of Atlantis. ---End of Graham Hancock's words----


If what Graham Hancock is telling us is true about the Younger Dryas, where can we see evidence elsewhere on the planet? The flood also did sink many other areas of megalithic architecture such as the pyramid that we see in the Azores off the coast of Portugal, it's what we see off the coast of India, it's what we see in Japan where you have sunken architecture down there, all kinds of stuff that's coming up that defies the conventional view. As a matter of fact, just a couple of years ago, a little further away from Malta in the Sicily channel, was discovered a giant man-made megalith lying on the bottom of the ocean. And that bit of ocean was covered by the rising sea levels 9,000 years ago which makes it already 3-4,000 years older than the established date of the monumental temples, on the Island of Malta itself. Ancient texts from the Greek philosopher Plato explain in great detail the destruction of Atlantis by Zeus as payback for human arrogance, the legend describes the founder of the great city to be half god half mortal (a demigod) and ruled by Poseidon. As punishment for their immoral bankruptcy, Zeus sent a ball of fire to destroy the aquatic cities, the curator of the Joseph Campell collection draws some parallels to Plato's story, and a similar tale between two warring Sumerian gods. It is very possible that the Greek story the one we find in Plato about the lost continent, of Atlantis, ruled over by Poseidon god of the oceans, that this has earlier roots, after all storytellers in those times borrowed from other stories, and we can fallow it's called syncretic. The way information, images, and narratives move from one culture to another particularly if they're relatively close by which in this case, is true, sure Enki the great God of the Sumerian traditions, could have been the Poseidon figurine. And the destroyer god could have come from the Sumerian tradition this is not only possible it is likely, Zeus is the name we are familiar with from the Greek tradition, that comes and punishes the people of Atlantis, who have achieved so much, because they started taking it for granted.
 

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(What I can tell you is that there is a recollection in Sumerian Myth of a time before the flood, (the Annunaki) when a high civilization existed, and when cities existed, and then the flood came, and everything was reset and started over again. So, what was of interest to me in that is the recollection of the memory of something before the flood, something major, something important before the flood.)

Could there be a connection between the Greek version of Atlantis and the Sumerian gods?

(Warning Disclaimer: These are not my views or beliefs these are comparisons to different civilizations based on information, is purely research into the Edfu text, take it as a translation not literally, though it is interesting how they talk about highly advanced technology, and Adon Parks comparison into different civilization's belief systems. Again, purely research material)

Adon Parks researcher: I think it is interesting, because we thought for a long time, that Plato had been taught by Egyptian Priests, but thanks to the Edfu texts, we wonder if he actually had the copies in his hand, we will never know. But there are very similar elements between the Plato version of Atlantis and the Egyptian Edfu text of Atlantis, and we can understand, in a few words from the Edfu text the Osiris that is considered to be the Samarion god Enki, fled Mesopotamia to help start a new civilization, according to the doctrine of Enlil. And he flees to Atlantis and settles down on some islands in the Atlantic Ocean, this ancient territory is mentioned in some funerary text, such as the (Egyptian Book of the Dead) they call it (La Mem Ptah) which could be ruffly translated by the water crown of Ptah. Ptah is one of Osiris's names it is the Egyptian name for Enki. Like all the other gods, he had many different names, we understand that the Ptah settles down on some islands, and we can identify that in Plato's writings. In the Edfu versions of the Alantis, there are always attacks from the forces of Set. Set is of course Enlil, we understand that he went all the way to Egypt even Morrocco, Azores, and the Canary, Set does not stop attacking Osiris's islands another interesting element to this story there is a technology that Egyptian gods used for protection the Djed pillars. They place them around the city, apparently some are even on the water, the text called them floaters, they can protect the city, and we can understand in different parts of the texts, that thanks to the energy coming of the Djed pillars Egyptians can control water and create water walls very thick ones in order to protect the city. Many Mythologies and Legends have similarities we understand that Osiris could actually be Poseidon or Neptune, and Enlil in some ways could be Zeus.

Adon Parks researcher: What is an interesting side note is that Poseidon is always pictured with a pitchfork which was later connected with the biblical pitchfork of Satan by the Catholic church, if Enchi is connected to this interpretation, could the destruction of Atlantis be the story of Yahweh's wrath on advanced humanity? There may be a connect to the scientific version of the Cataclysm and the Egyptian text, the Egyptian Atlantis May have lasted long enough in history that its part of Egyptian culture, funerary text mention it quite often. Indeed, the Egyptian Atlantis (La Mem Ptah,) corresponds to west its also means (the west) in Egyptian and west is also where you bury the dead. We see that the idea remains that when you go towards the west, there were many deaths, in Egyptian history Osiris's death happens at the same time as another very singular element which take place in the sky, it is the fall of the eye of sound found in Edfu text. This is the destruction of a planet which was in-between Mars and Jupiter, this is where we find the asteroid belt and it is believed by some scientists and researchers (opinion) that a planet used to be there. The death of Osiris is at this point in this story.

Another possible event in History:

In 1950, Immanuel Velikovski published a book called (Worlds in Collison) in this book he discussed that Venus was ejected by Jupiter as a comet and this passed near Earth, causing catastrophes mentioned in mythologies around the world. Can Aton's translations of the Sumerian text explain this very moment in human history and how it relates to the flood? In the Edfu text they mention the fall of the eye of sound.

Adon Parks researcher: In my opinion Venus was close to Mulge, it was one of its satellite and when Mulge exploded Venus its satellite is ejected into the solar system, and at some point, it comes close very to Earth. Then there is Osiris's death, according to the text this was the work of Enlil, who prepared his attack both on Earth and in the sky, he really wanted to impact history and impact significantly the god's history. He was not going to be defeated by earthly technology Venus was ejected into the solar system, turns inside it for thousands of years, before eventually placing itself where it is today. Enlil must have really wanted to finally put an end to lengthy war he had with Enki (Osiris.) And he came close with the death of Osiris, but then a second event the story tells us and luckily for history in general, Osiris come back as Horus. And the battle can start again, there are many elements that explain these events and that describe how Horus arrives to destroy the evil of the world in order to avenge his father's death. This explains a similar catastrophic event that happened at the same time, such as the destruction of Atlantis, this arrival is most likely a comet, who is actually Horus, according to Sumerian texts, and this is also when the so-called flood happened about 10,000 years ago.


Could this ancient Sumerian text be explaining a battle for the power over Earth, and the destruction not only on the planet but in the sky? Ancient texts suggest that whoever survived this cataclysm survived to tell the story in Egypt.
 

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Graham Hancock: Plato tells us where the story came from, it came from an ancestor in his family line Solon, a famous Greek lawmaker who visited Egypt around 600 BC. And in that visit, he encountered Egyptian priests, who told him the story there had been a high civilization in remote antiquity that had been destroyed in a cataclysm and submerged beneath the sea, that there were survivors. Some of those survivors came to Egypt and found what would become the great civilization of Egypt in due course.


And with the great civilizations of Egypt came the Great Pyramid, could this ancient knowledge that was now buried beneath the ocean have made a resurgence on the Earth's surface? The Great Pyramid is a monument, but it's a geometrical monument but in fact it's not a four-sided pyramid, it has a very slight concavity on each side, making it an eight-sided pyramid, now the minute you do this, you not only complicate the design tremendously, but it also produces another bizarre geometry. So, this geometry, when we analyze it, produces numbers. Numbers keep popping out, numbers that shouldn't be there, things like universal constants.


Thoughts on the chapter: There's a vast amount of Information being covered history, archeology, cartography, Mythology (I added in because I cheated, and I know in a way where the book is heading.) All these factors on top of events that happened thousands and thousands of years in the past it took ruffly 3 days to compile all this commentary, tie ins to Mythology and ancient civilizations. I only scratch the surface of some of the many civilizations that also talk of similar origins, I did not cover them because I have not researched them to their entirety and all the civilizations, I have listed in the posts previous to this one I cross reverenced for dates times and history was not easy but necessary to be able to explain fully in the beginning how the tie ins later on in the course of this book may play out (the possibility) at this point in time I would like to answer the questions asked to me.

What part of history do I enjoy the most?

Response: Before when I was younger, I used to be fascinated with Greek Mythology, About gods and goddesses and the grand stories of heroes and demigods. About Jason and the Argonauts (because I watch the old 1963 movie when I was 5 years old) the stories about Achilles, Heracles (which is Hercules real name in Greek) as well as the philosophers of the timeline like Plato, Sacristies, and Aristotle. It's funny because my brother is also fascinated with the Greeks but mostly his fascination is on their Empire (Sparta in particular.) Now however I am beginning to show a lot more interest in ancient Egypt and Sumerian civilizations because this is where (I feel) a lot of some of the civilizations get their ideals and technological advancement from (not to say these 2 civilizations are the only sources of every practice or study, no) but majority of these practices do come from these 2 civilizations. And I find it rather odd that these Civilizations don't claim to be the origins of which there or any other civilizations after stemmed from no they credit their advancement on an ancestorial civilization they came before them, so why is it that we discredit this claim by some of the oldest civilizations of mankind? it's fascinating.

Do you believe that aliens came to earth many years ago and maybe helped shape the culture?

Response: There is very strong evidence if you believe the civilization itself, claims of their ancestors traveling from other planets, for one reason or another to Earth to start over their civilization. There are many I could not cover for obvious reasons each one has the potential of a lifetime of study in their own respective ways I would like to reference some not in full detail just honorable mentions to that civilization. Civilizations like the Aztecs, Mayans, Incas, Olmecs etc. etc. these of course are not all the civilizations but some other mentions I know of that depict their Deities (in one form or another) that resemble what some may call extra-terrestrial. As for my beliefs I believe all knowledge has possibility, why go to the trouble to depict something in great detail and dismiss it as myth or conspiracy if they themselves and others that are miles and miles apart from each other are also depicting similar entities? Why is your belief more real than others' beliefs? Where did we get this from? Because the ancient civilizations did not hide their admittance that they were the end product of their civilization in my research I find this sense of acknowledgement vanishes after AD and the fight for the one true belief begins. Why the change from BC to AD?


How about the pyramids?

Response: How about them pyramids man lol :D they are finding more Pyramids, Megaliths, and Sphinxes submerged under water spanning from earliest 11,000 years ago in different areas across the map, I think I covered this question and stabbed it to death in my 4-page commentary and response lol. But to Summarize the Pyramids earliest believed timeline is about 26th century BC according to Wikipedia that is the believed date the first Great Pyramid of Giza was erected. And I covered that the Great Pyramid (is not a four-sided pyramid, it has a very slight concavity on each side, making it an eight-sided pyramid, now the minute you do this, you not only complicate the design tremendously, but it also produces another bizarre geometry. So, this geometry, when we analyze it, produces numbers. Numbers keep popping out, numbers that shouldn't be there, things like universal constants.) Thats just one Pyramid there are several and they each have different respective uses in ancient Egyptian civilization.

So, in conclusion there are so many different possibilities on the origin of civilization, there are also things I have not covered in this 4-page summary that I have researched in the past but to stay on topic these are some of the things over the course of three days of intense research and analysis I was able to condense into what I felt would be an interesting perspective. Thank you for reading I will continue onto chapter 2 :)
 

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This is strictly research and not to be taken literally (not up for debate) please be respectful, allow me to research my interests as I respect your right to your beliefs and Ideals if at any time this research interests you feel free to comment but please be respectful. This research starts predating Historical Civilization of man, this research will be ongoing hopefully for quite some time (depending on my time and interest in the subject matter) some civilizations may not make the list (because I can't cover all of history) what I am hoping for though is to find the connections where the Civilizations link up to. Thank you.

 
Chapter 2: Rivers in the Southern Continent

In the Christmas recess of 1959–60 Charles Hapgood was looking for Antarctica in the Reference Room of the Library of Congress, Washington DC. For several consecutive weeks he worked there, lost in the search, surrounded by literally hundreds of medieval maps and charts. I found [he reported] many fascinating things I had not expected to find, and a number of charts showing the southern continent. Then, one day, I turned a page and sat transfixed. As my eyes fell upon the southern hemisphere of a world map drawn by Oronteus Finaeus in 1531, I had the instant conviction that I had found here a truly authentic map of the real Antarctica. The general shape of the continent was startlingly like the outline of the continent on our modern maps. The position of the South Pole, nearly in the center of the continent, seemed about right. The mountain ranges that skirted the coasts suggested the numerous ranges that have been discovered in Antarctica in recent years. It was obvious, too, that this was no slapdash creation of somebody’s imagination. The mountain ranges were individualized, some definitely coastal and some not. From most of them rivers were shown flowing into the sea, following in every case what looked like very natural and very convincing drainage patterns. This suggested, of course, that the coasts may have been ice-free when the original map was drawn. The deep interior, however, was free entirely of rivers and mountains, suggesting that the ice might have been present there.


Closer investigation of the Oronteus Finaeus Map by Hapgood, and by Dr Richard Strachan of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, confirmed the following:

1 It had been copied and compiled from several earlier source maps drawn up according to a number of different projections.

2 It did indeed show non-glacial conditions in coastal regions of Antarctica, notably Queen Maud Land, Enderby Land, Wilkes Land, Victoria Land (the east coast of the Ross Sea), and Marie Byrd Land.

3 As in the case of the Piri Reis Map, the general profile of the terrain, and the visible physical features, matched closely seismic survey maps of the subglacial land surfaces of Antarctica.4 The Oronteus Finaeus Map, Hapgood concluded, appeared to document ‘the surprising proposition that Antarctica was visited and perhaps settled by men when it was largely if not entirely non-glacial. It goes without saying that this implies a very great antiquity … [Indeed] the Oronteus Finaeus Map takes the civilization of the original mapmakers back to a time contemporary with the end of the last Ice Age in the northern hemisphere.


Ross Sea

Further evidence in support of this view arises from the manner in which the Ross Sea was shown by Oronteus Finaeus. Where today great glaciers like the Beardmore and the Scott disgorge themselves into the sea, the 1531 map shows estuaries, broad inlets and indications of rivers. The unmistakable implication of these features is that there was no ice on the Ross Sea or its coasts when the source maps used by Oronteus Finaeus were made: ‘There also had to be a considerable hinterland free of ice to feed the rivers. At the present time all these coasts and their hinterlands are deeply buried in the mile-thick icecap, while on the Ross Sea itself there is a floating ice-shelf hundreds of feet thick. The Ross Sea evidence provides strong corroboration for the notion that Antarctica must have been mapped by some unknown civilization during the extensively ice-free period which ended around 4000 BC. This is emphasized by the coring tubes used, in 1949, by one of the Byrd Antarctic Expeditions to take samples of sediment from the bottom of the Ross Sea. The sediments showed numerous clearly demarcated layers of stratification reflecting different environmental conditions in different epochs: ‘coarse glacial marine’, ‘medium glacial marine’, ‘fine glacial marine’, and so on. The most surprising discovery, however, ‘was that a number of the layers were formed of fine-grained, well-assorted sediments, such as are brought down to the sea by rivers flowing from temperate (that is, ice-free) lands … Using the ionium-dating method developed by Dr W. D. Urry (which makes use of three different radioactive elements found in sea water), researchers at the Carnegie Institute in Washington DC were able to establish beyond any reasonable doubt that great rivers carrying fine-grained well-assorted sediments had indeed flowed in Antarctica until about 6000 years ago, as the Oronteus Finaeus Map showed. It was only after that date, around 4000 BC, ‘that the glacial kind of sediment began to be deposited on the Ross Sea bottom.


The cores indicate that warm conditions had prevailed for a long period before that. Mercator and Buache the Piri Reis and Oronteus Finaeus Maps therefore provide us with a glimpse of Antarctica as no cartographer in historical times could possibly have seen it. On their own, of course, these two pieces of evidence should not be sufficient to persuade us that we might be gazing at the fingerprints of a lost civilization. Can three, or four, or six such maps, however, be dismissed with equal justification? Is it safe, or reasonable, for example, for us to continue to ignore the historical implications of some of the maps made by the sixteenth century’s most famous cartographer: Gerard Kremer, otherwise known as Mercator? Best remembered for the Mercator projection, still used on most world maps today, this enigmatic individual (who paid an unexplained visit to the Great Pyramid of Egypt in 1563) was reportedly indefatigable in searching out … the learning of long ago’, and spent many years diligently accumulating a vast and eclectic reference library of ancient source maps. Significantly, Mercator included the Oronteus Finaeus map in his Atlas of 1569 and also depicted the Antarctic on several he himself drew in the same year. Identifiable parts of the then undiscovered southern continent on these maps are Cape Dart and Cape Herlacher in Marie Byrd Land, the Amundsen Sea, Thurston Island in Ellsworth Land, the Fletcher Islands in the Bellinghausen Sea, Alexander I Island, the Antarctic (Palmer) Peninsula, the Weddell Sea, Cape Norvegia, the Regula Range in Queen Maud Land (as islands), the Muhlig-Hoffman Mountains (as islands), the Prince Harald Coast, the Shirase Glacier as an estuary on Prince Harald Coast, Padda Island in Lutzow-Holm Bay, and the Prince Olaf Coast in Enderby Land.


In some cases, these features are more distinctly recognisable than on the Oronteus Finaeus Map,’ observed Hapgood, ‘and it seems clear, in general, that Mercator had at his disposal source maps other than those used by Oronteus Finaeus. And not only Mercator. Philippe Buache, the eighteenth-century French geographer, was also able to publish a map of Antarctica long before the southern continent was officially discovered. And the extraordinary feature of Buache’s map is that it seems to have been based on source maps made earlier, perhaps thousands of years earlier, than those used by Oronteus Finaeus and Mercator. What Buache gives us is an eerily precise representation of Antarctica as it must have looked when there was no ice on it at all. His map reveals the subglacial topography of the entire continent, which even we did not have full knowledge of until 1958, International Geophysical Year, when a comprehensive seismic survey was carried out. That survey only confirmed what Buache had already proclaimed when he published his map of Antarctica in 1737. Basing his cartography on ancient sources now lost, the French academician depicted a clear waterway across the southern continent dividing it into two principal landmasses lying east and west of the line now marked by the Trans-Antarctic Mountains.
 

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