Society is flawed

[Rosebolt]

Rosebolt, I'm not contradicting myself. Before any good can be achieved we must annihilate the bad. THEY are culpable, I am who I am and they clearly don't approve of it... This doesn't affect the way I am but it's a reprehensible view influenced by society's conformity and conventionalism. Even if it means torturing every single person to death it will be achieved, that or a severe retribution! It's only fair, and it's what needs to be done in order to achieve the good.

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Seeing as how People favour loud and obnoxious Conformists, Eventually those that hold dissent and divergence as virtues will be ostracised from conventional society and will wither in the lowest stratum of society. All of the conformists will have good life's, whilst the good and righteous men will be forgotten. In this case, the lowest men who have been viewed as inferior will rise and create a revolution to completely reform society, including mass executions of those who are pretentious! They will be forced to stay at levels and not subordinate people, but to accept. This will happen, it is necessary for the survival and propsperity of humanity.

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I understand what you mean, but that does not invalid my claim that you seek the present, instead of the future. You're still fighting fire with fire. Bringing about peace and humility by claiming to be a perfect human being that should torture every single person to death, will not bring about a change of moving forward. What will happen is that you will become an equivelant of Hitler. After you're done, you will be made fun of, feared, and remembered. But no change will occur; no battery will be charged; no bucket will be full.

To phrase it in your own explanation, your fundemental change that will eradicate conformists and bring about a power to the lowest of status, is only a cycle. They will become confromists eventually, and then someone, just like you, will want to bring about a revolution. And that is what i mean with you seeking a perpetual state of now. If humanity is to survive and prosper, we will need to break the cycle of hate and intolerance. And no, not by using hate and intolerance, but love and acceptance.

 

[VanillaCreme]

Love, something I don't receive, forces me to be overcome with indignation and envy.

I could agree with everything except for this. Perhaps you don't have a choice in the way you feel all the time. But it is your choice to continue to see it that way. It's your choice to view things that way.

 

[TheRealCallie]

I'll be in my van if anyone needs me

Do you have free candy?

It's not fair, I'm a really nice guy... I'm perfect in every way but these grandiose idiots don't see my brilliance.

I'm sorry, but the honeysuckle you've said does NOT make you a nice guy. People who want others to experience excruciating pain and whatever else you've said are NOT nice people.

 

[VanillaCreme]

It's not fair, I'm a really nice guy... I'm perfect in every way but these grandiose idiots don't see my brilliance.

I'm sorry, but the honeysuckle you've said does NOT make you a nice guy. People who want others to experience excruciating pain and whatever else you've said are NOT nice people.

Yeah, and just a heads up... Calling people idiots or other childish names doesn't make anyone nice. It's makes them impolite and crude. If you think you're perfect, that's fine. It's good to think decently of yourself. But to think that everyone else has to think the same way of you... Says a lot about the kind of person you are.

 

[Sci-Fi]

I'll be in my van if anyone needs me

Do you have free candy?

It's not fair, I'm a really nice guy... I'm perfect in every way but these grandiose idiots don't see my brilliance.

I'm sorry, but the honeysuckle you've said does NOT make you a nice guy. People who want others to experience excruciating pain and whatever else you've said are NOT nice people.

I had already addressed this when the comment was made, there was and is no need you to continue the subject on.

 

[Jack C]

Let me explain this in an external view: Those that I'm surrounded by, In other words those that want to remain an ignorant,
Lifeless slave of the system, don't understand that productive forces create conditions of society that make them precursors for a newer Socio economic ideology.
Feudalism creates the conditions by which it became the precursor to capitalism, capitalism creates the factory's, the Industry to be overthrown by the proletariat into syndicalism and socialism. It's inevitable and those who passively stand by whilst fascist totalitarian and authoritarian bourgeoisie politicians create an Orwellian dystopia are not worth keeping alive!


That's a comment I made recently on my own forum: http://psychopathic.boards.net/board/1/general-board

These people, those who aren't willing to change anything aren't worth having around and will only slow the process.

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If you wish to inundate society (change society) you need to eliminate opposing ideologies and apathy

 

[Kitsune Tora]

Him use big word!
Hit with rock!

 

[Surcruxum]

These people, those who aren't willing to change anything aren't worth having around and will only slow the process.

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If you wish to inundate society (change society) you need to eliminate opposing ideologies and apathy

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I agree that people who aren't willing to change anything is going to be a liability, and the eliminating opposing ideas, or perhaps, people who have that ideas, is certainly one way to change the world. I used to be like you, thinking, for me to achieve the world as I envisioned, people who have different views should disappear from the world, and the more they die the more my goal will be achieved. To achieve peace with fear and dictatorship, is an acceptable condition for me.

However, I changed. I read some of your ideas and I agreed to most part, but then agreement changed to disagreement. First, nobody is perfect, not even you. To have weaknesses is imperfection. Also, not good and righteous acts are forgotten, as evidenced throughout history by different figures. Even though some people were assassinated, their ideas and views don't die and passes on through people until this day. And i have other disagreements as well.

What I want now is to achieve my goal without any sacrifices, as impossible as it sounds.People deserve second chances, unless they keep doing the same crimes repeatedly. I used to think that many things are against my views, but I know now that some are actually not bad, but for me to admit it is painfully hard. Of course, being too open minded or close minded is definitely a bad thing. But a person who says "I want to do whatever the fresia I want to do", without considering the impacts to others, is the person I hate the most.

 

[Jack C]

 

[TheRealCallie]

Big words, big picture. lol

I think the problem is you are too worried about everyone else and not worried enough about yourself. Who the fresia cares what everyone else is doing. Stop worrying about everyone else. Society will change when it's ready to, not a moment before. Accept it and move on.

 

[Jack C]

 

[edgecrusher]

Everything is flawed because man is flawed. The best way to move forward is to observe the universe and see what it shows us and try to advance the species using what we learn from it in a way that promotes a quality of life that all living things would want, while letting go of complacent fantasies about our origins that stagnate that advancement and what we are truly capable of. Notice I said ALL living things. We like to think our level of intelligence puts us significantly above everything else, almost like we exist outside of or separate from nature, when we are merely just part of it.

I agree there are definitely things that need to change. Forcing it however, is not the way to go about it. People will fight it if it's forced and then nothing will have changed.

 

[Jack C]

I'm an atheist, I gather you're too by your quote... I agree 100% with what you say, we should explore the universe and live in peace under the banner of socialism.
But, revolution is necessary and overthrow of all current conditions of society is necessary. Destruction of all opposing ideology's, ignorance, apathy, etc, all need to be destroyed in this overthrow. We need an age of reason, just like what was trying to be established during the French Revolution.

 

[Mr Seal The Albatros]

EDIT: Second thought, nevermind. Sorry, I take this stuff way too personally sometimes.

 

[Jack C]

Keep in mind, Maoist China and Nazi Germany attempted the same sort of thing (in terms of "cleansing" ideas that deviated from an established norm) Needless to say, for all three, the result wasn't very peaceful. You also argue about throwing away opposing ideals. You are proposing an ideal that opposes all others. Does that mean we throw away this one in time too?

Finally, you explain removing those who are deemed not useful. The mindset of society does not follow one single path. You're proof of this as your ideas deviate from the ideas of others. The degree of usefulness differs between people. I can see a person as useful in one way, but someone else can see him as not useful in another. Therefore, there is no standard of "useful," due to the many opinions circling around, and with 7 billion people currently making up the world's population, that will be a near impossible to make everyone agree on the same idea.

I apologize for the bluntness, but just throwing in a few ideas for thought.

Read the psychology of revolution, even if it is thrown out after years of it being the dominant idea, it will leave a scare that can never fade and will continue to shed it's light on society forever. Ideas hold this power, ideas have the power of a thousand artillery shells and the minds are the weapons that fire these shells... To turn people against another is very very easy and requires little to no effort. To establish the Socio economic conditions which would then influence the political and social conditions would make my ideas liveth forever, or as I said before always shed light.
People have always died when movements and revolutions are in swing, it's an inevitable byproduct that must happen for any change to occur. People are useful in one way, the ways I've stated, but the ones that aren't of any use, who are inactive and apathetic don't deserve a place in the new born society. We cannot make comments until communism arrives, maybe it will be a precursor and that's a fact of life, maybe it will be the end of all movements and be the greatest conditions of society yet.

 

[VanillaCreme]

I'm closing this thread on the simple fact that I don't see it going anywhere good anytime soon. The fact that Stalin was quoted to try and prove a point boggles my mind. Oppression is not revolutionary.