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Pennywise

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Hello, i always had problem approaching females in general. As far as i remember it always have been the case. The situation is weird because everyone tells me that i'am good looking and are making me compliments. what in reality makes everything worse, because people already assume that i'am the kind of guys having alot of experiences with girls and i feel like having no excuse for not being that way. I mean, i do sports and have muscles, i practice martial arts and i play electric guitar. I see way less attractive guys, that are not fit nor had any talent but still having many gfs, however i never had one. 
The problem is that i was an only son, so i had no brother nor sister meaning no ability to meet new people through their social circle. I had no many friends and then no occasion to meet girls. So i grew up with very few interaction with females except my mom. Until now the reason also i never had a gf is that i was not very interested in having a relationship, as you already know, i like sports and music. So i have alot of hobbies i also read a lot and all those things keep me distracted from not having a "real" social life. However as time passes i realise i'am getting older and i begin to feel afraid of ending up alone. 

The problem is that having so fiew relations with women in my whole life. I don't know what to do and i suck at seduction since i don't understand how it works. No one of the people i know are aware of this situation and assume that since i do sport and have an athletic body that i'am good at seduction and have success with ladies. 
For exemple the last weekend i was with some people at a club, something that i hate, but i forced myself into in order to learn to socialize. There were a very nice looking girl who was wanting to dance with me. She seemed to be very attracted by me. But since i'am not used to this kind of situation, i didnt knew what to do. Plus i'am a very bad dancer. So she ended up with one of my friend and after less that 20min they were kissing each other. 
This situation was very embarassing to me, but in the other hand i felt happy, telling myself that i dont really know if i want a gf or not. I see all the couples that are sad together and so many relations that end bad and i dont want that. 

So i'am into kind of a dillema. A part of me want a girlfriend but knows i'am too inexperimented for my age, what makes me unsecure about myself and i then end up trying to hide my innability to approach girls by just avoiding them altogether. Another part of me don't want to have a gf because i feel afraid of ending up with the wrong person and having problems with my relation.
 
Pennywise said:
Hello, i always had problem approaching females in general. As far as i remember it always have been the case. The situation is weird because everyone tells me that i'am good looking and are making me compliments. what in reality makes everything worse, because people already assume that i'am the kind of guys having alot of experiences with girls and i feel like having no excuse for not being that way. I mean, i do sports and have muscles, i practice martial arts and i play electric guitar. I see way less attractive guys, that are not fit nor had any talent but still having many gfs, however i never had one. 
The problem is that i was an only son, so i had no brother nor sister meaning no ability to meet new people through their social circle. I had no many friends and then no occasion to meet girls. So i grew up with very few interaction with females except my mom. Until now the reason also i never had a gf is that i was not very interested in having a relationship, as you already know, i like sports and music. So i have alot of hobbies i also read a lot and all those things keep me distracted from not having a "real" social life. However as time passes i realise i'am getting older and i begin to feel afraid of ending up alone. 

The problem is that having so fiew relations with women in my whole life. I don't know what to do and i suck at seduction since i don't understand how it works. No one of the people i know are aware of this situation and assume that since i do sport and have an athletic body that i'am good at seduction and have success with ladies. 
For exemple the last weekend i was with some people at a club, something that i hate, but i forced myself into in order to learn to socialize. There were a very nice looking girl who was wanting to dance with me. She seemed to be very attracted by me. But since i'am not used to this kind of situation, i didnt knew what to do. Plus i'am a very bad dancer. So she ended up with one of my friend and after less that 20min they were kissing each other. 
This situation was very embarassing to me, but in the other hand i felt happy, telling myself that i dont really know if i want a gf or not. I see all the couples that are sad together and so many relations that end bad and i dont want that. 

So i'am into kind of a dillema. A part of me want a girlfriend but knows i'am too inexperimented for my age, what makes me unsecure about myself and i then end up trying to hide my innability to approach girls by just avoiding them altogether. Another part of me don't want to have a gf because i feel afraid of ending up with the wrong person and having problems with my relation.

First of all you shouldn't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes or many times it's possible that you are just having bad luck and you are not alone in this. There are many men just like you who are attractive, and do a lot of activities and still year after year they are single. Your's seems like just bad luck. It's good that you are already doing something to keep yourself occupied.

Pennywise said:
However as time passes i realise i'am getting older and i begin to feel afraid of ending up alone. 

Well, I would say it's much better to be alone rather than having girlfriends for the sake of having or just because you are afraid of being alone. Ask yourself would you want " N" number of girlfriends who would be below average( overall) or just 1 girlfriend who would be extraordinary and near perfect( not 100% perfect) both in personality and looks? 

Which one would you want?. I think the answer would be obvious,right?.


Pennywise said:
The problem is that having so fiew relations with women in my whole life. I don't know what to do and i suck at seduction since i don't understand how it works. No one of the people i know are aware of this situation and assume that since i do sport and have an athletic body that i'am good at seduction and have success with ladies. 

For exemple the last weekend i was with some people at a club, something that i hate, but i forced myself into in order to learn to socialize. There were a very nice looking girl who was wanting to dance with me. She seemed to be very attracted by me. But since i'am not used to this kind of situation, i didnt knew what to do. Plus i'am a very bad dancer. So she ended up with one of my friend and after less that 20min they were kissing each other. 

This situation was very embarassing to me, but in the other hand i felt happy, telling myself that i dont really know if i want a gf or not. I see all the couples that are sad together and so many relations that end bad and i dont want that. 

So i'am into kind of a dillema. A part of me want a girlfriend but knows i'am too inexperimented for my age, what makes me unsecure about myself and i then end up trying to hide my innability to approach girls by just avoiding them altogether. Another part of me don't want to have a gf because i feel afraid of ending up with the wrong person and having problems with my relation.

Well, so what if you are not good at seduction? you can always learn things, master them and there are plenty of sources from where you can gain knowledge. Don't worry about what people think, let them keep assuming things about you, only you know the truth right?.

I can understand your example you gave about dancing with a girl and how you are not good at it. First and foremost you should never fake yourself to impress women, you should never show as someone you are not, you should never show that you know something that you actually don't know. There is nothing wrong if you don't know dancing but then you should have told that girl that you are not good at dancing instead of accepting her request. I know that you didn't want to hurt her perhaps but you should have told her the truth.

You should only do what you are good at doing. Don't try to impress women forcibly. If you try too hard then also you will fail.

As far as your dilemma is concerned you need to make up your mind young man!. I mean you cannot remain in a confused state of mind forever. You need to be clear as to what is it that you actually want. Do you want a girlfriend or you don't want a girlfriend? you need to be clear in your thoughts. If you are clear only then you will be able to do what it takes.

If you want a girlfriend then you have to proceed accordingly and if you never want a girlfriend then you can just continue living the kind of life you have lived so far. You are absolutely right in your last sentence, it's much better to be alone/single forever instead of ending with the wrong person and then suffer all along the relationship.

Lastly, though you are a good person and you seem to be talented as well but I think you are lacking confidence and lack of confidence is something that is unattractive to women, women can sense that. I mean I think you are lacking confidence at least to some extent, tell me if I am right or wrong but if you are lacking confidence then no matter how skillful you are, you will never get the kind of result you are expecting. Hence you need to work on your confidence levels
 
Thanks sun35 for your answer, it is always great to see someone taking their time to make a good answer :)


So i'am very surpirised it is like you are reading my mind, how is that possible? Everything you told is right.
First of all, exactly, i had no luck in my life. That is the problem, i had to travel during my teens and was put in a completly different country with a language and culture that i knew nothing about. I was a only child and already had problem approaching other kids. I also ended up making many bad choice mainly to please my parents and familly. 
That is what pisses me off! I know i have the potential to be like everyone else, to socialise, have friends and people who like me. If my life have been different surely i would have been done great. However in this reallity i feel like everything went wrong and now it is late, not too late i hope, to go back on the right track.

Another point you are right about is that i lack self confidence, and you are not the first one who told me that. Some people that i tried to speak about my issues told me they were feeling the same way about me. However it is strange because i know i have the possibility to do better, the potential, but no clue how to get there. Can you please explain further how did you knew that from my writings? That means i really have negative vibes i have to overcome. I hope to understand more about this so i can do someting about it.

As for the gf dilemma, it is a tricky situation. Of course i would be so happy to have someone who really cares about me, someone to love, but is this someone really exists? and if yes can she possibly still be single? Also knowing if it is the right person when you meet someone for the first time is something that takes time. Today i see people french kissing when they know each other for less than 2 hours! Like in the exemple i have in that club, but i'am not into that. How could i approach a girl without all the bullshit to first know if she is the right one? I think i have this problem due to my lack of experience on the subject, a real vicious circle :(
 
Im going to get bashed for this..as I say it often....but im a BIG proponent of exercise..
And no..you dont need a gym..but it can help.

Exercise does a number of things to improve your situation. As a male..it releases testosterone..hgh and endorphins..all of which make you feel better and look better..A stress reliever as well. This gets projected outward from yourself and others will see it.

Whats the way to gain experience in something.....DO IT. Make mistakes..learn, correct the behavior and move on again. Go up to a girl and just say HI how are you? Practice that..do it with guys too. Get comfortable with it.

And...Miss Right is out there buddy....shes looking for you too! It might take a day..month..year or years to find her..but shes there somewhere.

Oh and your location is hell huh???? Heres how to get out of there..btw....
 
Forsaken-Knight said:
Im going to get bashed for this..as I say it often....but im a BIG proponent of exercise..
And no..you dont need a gym..but it can help.  

Exercise does a number of things to improve your situation.  As a male..it releases testosterone..hgh and endorphins..all of which make you feel better and look better..A stress reliever as well.  This gets projected outward from yourself and others will see it.  

Whats the way to gain experience in something.....DO IT.  Make mistakes..learn, correct the behavior and move on again.  Go up to a girl and just say HI how are you?  Practice that..do it with guys too.  Get comfortable with it.  

And...Miss Right is out there buddy....shes looking for you too!  It might take a day..month..year or years to find her..but shes there somewhere.

Oh and your location is hell huh???? Heres how to get out of there..btw....

Thanks man, yeah i just got back from the gym and i feel great, i know what you are talking about :)
I agree with the idea to try, everyone tell me that, but what should i do? I go to a girl that is sitting alone and say hi? After that what should i do, i have nothing to say, and she might be with someone or waiting for someone, i might end up looking weird or like a pervert or something. As i said i have absolutely no experiences and no clue in what to do and what not to do.
 
Become the guy that makes them say Hi to you, anything less than that is failure.
 
Pennywise said:
Thanks sun35 for your answer, it is always great to see someone taking their time to make a good answer :)

So i'am very surpirised it is like you are reading my mind, how is that possible? Everything you told is right.

That's alright. You asked how is it possible that everything I told you was right?. Well honestly sometimes, I surprise myself. I am a very logical person and so I always look at things logically, I read the facts and then say whatever I think is logically correct. I suppose it's a skill that I have


Pennywise said:
First of all, exactly, i had no luck in my life. That is the problem, i had to travel during my teens and was put in a completly different country with a language and culture that i knew nothing about. I was a only child and already had problem approaching other kids. I also ended up making many bad choice mainly to please my parents and familly. 

Whatever you have said I have heard this many times before and you are not the only person who is saying this. I really don't know why people don't understand the fact that you have to live your life for yourself and not for others. You are not alone, many people do things just for the sake of doing and for pleasing others, just like you said you made many bad choices just to please your parents. That is definitely not the right way to lead your life. Once a person starts doing things for the sake of doing, they will have to keep doing it for their lifetime and so once you start doing things to only please your parents then you will have to keep doing it for the rest of your life. I mean it becomes some sort of mental block for the person who is doing things for others, so they themselves can't come out of it easily( even if they want too). 

I don't know why people don't understand this simple logic? it's not some rocket science,it's a simple logic, you are not alone many people live their life pleasing others, sacrificing their happiness for other or for their parents and then they write the exact similar sentences that you have written, in the end they only get unhappiness and nothing else. When they realize it's too late for them to change. Hence you are not alone in this. I have heard and read this many times so I can understand.

The logic is no matter who has done what for you, no matter what your parents may have done for you, the logic is it's still your life and you have to live your life. Yes, you should have the respect for your parents,and for people for whatever they did for you but you shouldn't sacrifice your life for their sake, you shouldn't do things only to please them. That is not intelligence, honestly speaking that is foolishness.

I mean you have just 1 life to live and so what is the point if you have not lived your life the way you wanted too? where is your pride in that? At your old age when you look back at your life will you happy thinking that you lived your life the way you wanted or will you be happy thinking that you lived your life to please others? Which one will give your more happiness?

You have 1 life so why not live it your way?right?

However it's good that you at least realize your mistake. Now that you have realized so you will do what it takes to change.

Pennywise said:
That is what pisses me off! I know i have the potential to be like everyone else, to socialise, have friends and people who like me. If my life have been different surely i would have been done great. However in this reallity i feel like everything went wrong and now it is late, not too late i hope, to go back on the right track.

Well, it might seem late but logically speaking it's better late than never. The good thing is you have realized it, so no it's never too late to start a change. Realization is the first step towards change. It will be difficult no doubt, but you will have to persist in your attempts. 


Pennywise said:
Another point you are right about is that i lack self confidence, and you are not the first one who told me that. Some people that i tried to speak about my issues told me they were feeling the same way about me. However it is strange because i know i have the possibility to do better, the potential, but no clue how to get there. Can you please explain further how did you knew that from my writings? That means i really have negative vibes i have to overcome. I hope to understand more about this so i can do someting about it.

Well, as I said I am a logical person so it was very obvious and clear from the way you wrote about your experiences and about yourself as well. As I said, confidence or lack of confidence is something that is easily visible and people can easily sense that. People can come to know about your confidence levels, either by the way you write, express yourself or by what you do, that is your actions.

Confidence or lack of confidence can be easily seen by others, even if they have average intelligence and observation. Yes, the vibes that you give can also be sensed by people, body language etc.

what you can do is you need to understand where you are lacking, and work towards those areas, you need to make yourself more and more secure and more importantly you need to stop comparing yourself with others. Don't get into unnecessary competitions, arguments etc. You must understand that everyone has different potentials, different skills and talents. Hence just believe in yourself and do what you are excellent in doing. Do what you do best. Don't care about what people will think about you.

One more point as I said before, never ever fake yourself to impress women. Never do that, it's is very unattractive and women can see right through that. It's better to be a true person, and show who you are really are, show your real talent, your actual potential rather than worrying about society, comparing yourself with people. Always be true to yourself, remember your identity is more important to you than anything else. That should be your top priority( logically speaking)

Yes, I understand that having a girlfriend is your priority, or may be that is a priority for you, that might be important but just ask yourself is it more important than being true to yourself? is having a girlfriend a higher priority than showing your real, true self? is having a girlfriend more important than your own identity?

I am not saying that you should forget about having a girlfriend, that's not what I mean. I am speaking comparatively. If you want to have a girlfriend than you should achieve that by showing your true self, being true to yourself and never by faking yourself. You certainly can't fake yourself forever but you can be your true self forever. 

Right? 



Pennywise said:
As for the gf dilemma, it is a tricky situation. Of course i would be so happy to have someone who really cares about me, someone to love, but is this someone really exists? and if yes can she possibly still be single? 
 

Now, these are very good questions. I would say yes there is a good possibility of that person existing. Why not?. Yes she can also be single, possible again but I can't say the percentage of that possibility. It's certainly possible but whether it's likely or unlikely that can't be said for sure.



Pennywise said:
Also knowing if it is the right person when you meet someone for the first time is something that takes time. Today i see people french kissing when they know each other for less than 2 hours! Like in the exemple i have in that club, but i'am not into that. How could i approach a girl without all the bullshit to first know if she is the right one? I think i have this problem due to my lack of experience on the subject, a real vicious circle :(  


Well, it's very difficult to come to the conclusion that the person you are meeting first time is the right person or not. I don't think it's possible to decide in first meeting itself and it's never a good way of going about things. One should go on dates, a good number of dates before coming to any sort of conclusion. Logically it's not possible to know someone within 2 hours itself, it's too short a time period to know anyone. It's fine if you are not into all, don't let whatever you see affect you. Remember you are unique in your own ways.

Well there is one to know if she is the right one or not. However it also depends on your thinking, there are two types of people basically, one is those who don't have any standards as such, they are very open-minded and they give everyone a chance before coming to conclusion, or it's possible they have standards but they are flexible and very accomodating and not very high as well. Second is those people who have high standards, in both physical looks and personality and they won't be satisfied until they get what they want. Now both the type of people can get the kind of woman they want and both have their drawbacks, it depends as to which way you are willing to follow. Depends on what you want and your thought process

If you have decided to follow the first way, then there are two sub-methods in that as well.  One is you should have the courage to approach women and pursue them and you need to keep on doing this until you can find a woman who likes you back. The drawback of first method is it will not work if you are not good at talking to women, it will not work if you are not good at flirting or making friends with women and moreover you will have to go through rejections, heartbreaks,failures  and so on and this can affect you as a person. This can take a mental toll on you. 

Second method is you can just " WAIT" for the woman to approach you, you can wait for a woman to like you and then you both can take it forward. However at least you can be assured that some day or the other you will at least have one girlfriend, why? because it's possible that someday a woman may like you and then you can try out things and see how it goes. However the drawback is waiting, and you never know how long you may have to wait and moreover there is no guarantee in waiting, no woman may ever like you so you have to be prepared for that. This is an easier method because here you would simply wait for a woman to like you and pursue you and there is very little effort on your end.

I think given the kind of person you are and what you have mentioned about yourself, I think the second sub method probably suits you well. Finally it's your decision.

The second way is to have standards for the kind of woman you want in your life. I am not sure if you have standards for the kind of woman you want in your life, but if you don't then it wouldn't be wrong to start having some standards, now the standards should necessarily be drafted keeping in mind the kind of morals, values, the thinking you have as a person and so that way you may attract the kind of woman you want in your life. That way you will have the chance to get exactly the same woman that you want in your life.

However let me tell you the drawback of having high standards means waiting, and this wait can be for a really long time as well. It can also be indefinite, but having high standards shows that a man knows himself very well and he is confident , he knows what he wants in life.

It's fine if you are inexperienced, nobody is born as an expert or an experienced person. You can always get your experience. I hope whatever I have written helps you in some way. Ask me if you didn't understand anything.
 
Xpendable said:
Become the guy that makes them say Hi to you, anything less than that is failure.

More words of wisdom? How does sarcastic remarks help Pennywise?  (be careful with clown outfits these days pennywise!)

You could also go up and say HI to them..start a conversation...Hi how are you?  How's it going?  Talk to the person...we have been over this I believe..Xpendable..;)
 
Forsaken-Knight said:
Xpendable said:
Become the guy that makes them say Hi to you, anything less than that is failure.

More words of wisdom? How does sarcastic remarks help Pennywise?  (be careful with clown outfits these days pennywise!)

You could also go up and say HI to them..start a conversation...Hi how are you?  How's it going?  Talk to the person...we have been over this I believe..Xpendable..;)

I exagerated but no sarcasm. Tell me knight, have you help other guys like this?
If so, how many women have you tried to help in the same way?
Have you ever had the chance to meet a woman with the same problems?

Probably not, because they dont have this problem in such high quantity. You're not saying "say hi" to a girl as a challenge to men and see them as equal at the same time.  Thats the problem, we're automatically seen as coming from a position below them, as if we have to strive to be on the same level as them and making the action of having a conversation a success. I think my time has value and I think my self-perception to be worthy of attention. If I talk to females it would be because there's an actual reason to do it, the same way I would talk to a man and interact with them. No forced conversations, no begging for attention and no thinking I own my self-improvement to women. A man should never feel grateful for being granted the attention women get on daily basis and never should he put that as an estimate of his own self-worth. We are equal, but our problems are not, I'm too good for that.
 
Sun35 you seem a bit judgmental here. Maybe you had luck to be able to freely do what you want in your life and make your own decisions, but generally when people don't it is because they had no option. In my case as i said in my teenage years i was forced to travel abroad in a country that i dont know neither the culture or the language. It is supposed to be the most important part in life when you start to really grow up and make many important decision that will have impact on the rest of your life. At that time i couldn't do anything alone had no freedom and the only money i had was the one my parent gave me, that means almost nothing. I couldn't work by myself and make new friends since i didnt knew anybody and was anyway unable to properly communicate with anybody. Tell me in that situation what should i have done? Not easy heh. 

Yeah, i'am trying to show who i really am. But i have very let's say "original" views about life, the real me is the kind of philosophical, the always thinking about life and death type. So most "normal" people won't get it and just think i'am a weirdo. Also my interests are not common like horror movies, paranormal and dark stuff in general. I just don't enjoy stuff people normally do. So i try to be myself but have to fake a little when socializing. That is something i understood no one can be 100% of the time themselves everyone fake sometimes who they are according to the situation they are and the people they are interating with. That is how society works, like the japanese masks. However everytime i got the occasion i do my best to show how i'am in a comprehensive way for other people and right i wont fake a personnality opposed to mine just in order to please someone.
 
Pennywise said:
Sun35 you seem a bit judgmental here. Maybe you had luck to be able to freely do what you want in your life and make your own decisions, but generally when people don't it is because they had no option.

Ok, I am only replying to this and that's the reason I am only quoting this part. I am not challenging your personal experiences here but I am just replying to this.


No, I am not. That is your misunderstanding, I am not a judgemental person. I don't know about your personal experiences and it's fine I understanding but speaking in general about life and choices. 

I know my logic and I know what I said. It's up to you to believe or accept what I have said or if you don't agree with anything that I have said, that is also your choice, that is of course your freewill.

I am confident about what I have said and I am going to hold on to my opinion. One more thing I will say, in life there is always a choice, we always have a choice. Good or bad and between good and bad there is always a choice. 

Yes, it's up to the person to go for that choice or not, that is a decision that they have to take after careful consideration but that doesn't mean that there is no choice, it doesn't mean they have no choice. Yes, it's possible that they are not aware of the choices they have and it happens that way. There are people who are not aware of the choices they have and not being aware of the choices, not knowing what choices are there doesn't mean that the choices don't exist.

A wise person always know that in life there is always a choice, and along with that choice, option there will be a consequence it's a matter of knowing those choices and the consequences related to that and then deciding whether to go after the choice or not.



Now, this is my opinion. I mean if you are going to call my opinions as me being judgemental, then basically that is your misunderstanding that's it. Honestly I don't care what opinion people have about me and so you are also free to think whatever you want to think about me. Hence irrespective to that I am going to write, post my views as to what I think is right.
 

I have expressed myself and I have posted my opinion. The rest is of course your choice. After all it's your life. 

Good luck!
 
Pennywise said:
Yeah, i'am trying to show who i really am. But i have very let's say "original" views about life, the real me is the kind of philosophical, the always thinking about life and death type. So most "normal" people won't get it and just think i'am a weirdo. Also my interests are not common like horror movies, paranormal and dark stuff in general. I just don't enjoy stuff people normally do. So i try to be myself but have to fake a little when socializing. That is something i understood no one can be 100% of the time themselves everyone fake sometimes who they are according to the situation they are and the people they are interating with. That is how society works, like the japanese masks. However everytime i got the occasion i do my best to show how i'am in a comprehensive way for other people and right i wont fake a personnality opposed to mine just in order to please someone.

I can relate to this feeling very well. It IS very difficult to befriend people when 95% of the time you're thinking, "what a load of guff" when they open their mouths. And the common interests people have, like watching movies, just bore me to death. 

Try to take each day at a time and eventually someone will show up like yourself. True friends are rare after all, in my opinion.
 
Xpendable said:
Forsaken-Knight said:
Xpendable said:
Become the guy that makes them say Hi to you, anything less than that is failure.

More words of wisdom? How does sarcastic remarks help Pennywise?  (be careful with clown outfits these days pennywise!)

You could also go up and say HI to them..start a conversation...Hi how are you?  How's it going?  Talk to the person...we have been over this I believe..Xpendable..;)

I exagerated but no sarcasm. Tell me knight, have you help other guys like this?
If so, how many women have you tried to help in the same way?
Have you ever had the chance to meet a woman with the same problems?

Probably not, because they dont have this problem in such high quantity. You're not saying "say hi" to a girl as a challenge to men and see them as equal at the same time.  Thats the problem, we're automatically seen as coming from a position below them, as if we have to strive to be on the same level as them and making the action of having a conversation a success. I think my time has value and I think my self-perception to be worthy of attention. If I talk to females it would be because there's an actual reason to do it, the same way I would talk to a man and interact with them. No forced conversations, no begging for attention and no thinking I own my self-improvement to women. A man should never feel grateful for being granted the attention women get on daily basis and never should he put that as an estimate of his own self-worth. We are equal, but our problems are not, I'm too good for that.

Xpendable...I wish you the best bud...

Good luck I hope one day you find what your searching for....
 

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