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I dont know what all women want. But I just finished watching the movie.. the notebook .. for the first time..
And it was.. wow. The guy..Noah.. he was like the ideal man.

I also found this article.
http://datingadvicefromagirl.com/10-qualities-women-want-in-men-based-on-the-notebook_26/

Noah is the prototype of what women desire in a man.
I wish men would take notes while watching this movie. There is so much to be learned from Noah’s character. Every woman I know who has seen this movie notes that Noah at first seems rather plain in physical appearance but by the end of the movie, he’s like a Greek god!

Seriously, you just fall in love with how he loves Allie. So guys, take some notes.

Women love…

1.) Men who are willing to makes fools of themselves to show how much they want to be with you. Ah, the power of the public grand gesture. It reminds us just how brave and courageous you are, willing to take risks and possible/likely rejection. (Think of the Ferris wheel scene when Noah jumps on to introduce himself to Allie and ask for a date.)

2.) Men who are persistent. Unless she is completely turned off by the sight of you from the initial meeting, she will warm up to your persistence. You can tell if an initial “no” really means “keep trying” if she is unable to hide some form of a smile or smirk. It shows us that you are not easily discouraged, that you are willing to work hard for what you want, that you are ambitious, and most importantly, that you really want us.

3.) Men who only have eyes for one woman. I know guys usually face rejection and move on to the next girl with ease, and a lot of guys can like several girls simultaneously. Girls don’t want to believe this, hence the appeal of Noah, who only has eyes for Allie. I guess the least you can do is make us feel like we are it. Don’t flaunt your other pursuits. Think the opposite of the message in the song Mambo # 9. It shows us that you are loyal, and that you see something in us that is different from all the other girls.

4.) Men who keep their promises regardless of circumstances. Noah said he would build the house with the blue shutters, the wrap around porch, and the painting room. He delivered. It shows us that you have integrity….which brings me to the next…

5.) Men who do the loving thing even when it hurts. Noah wrote Allie for a year without a response. Bravo. ’nuff said. This shows us that your hopes aren’t easily shattered, and even after it all, you are not bitter. Look at Noah’s last letter. Day 365:

My Dearest Allie, I couldn’t sleep last night because I know that it’s over between us. I’m not bitter anymore, because I know that what we had was real. And if in some distant place in the future we see each other in our new lives, I’ll smile at you with joy and remember how we spent the summer beneath the trees, learning from each other and growing in love. The best love is the kind that awakens the soul and makes us reach for more, that plants a fire in our hearts and brings peace to our minds, and that’s what you’ve given me. That’s what I hope to give to you forever. I love you. I’ll be seeing you. Noah

6.) Men who esteem themselves not because of worldly accomplishments but in the accomplishment of loving another deeply.

At the beginning of the movie, Noah says:

I am nothing special; just a common man with common thoughts, and I’ve led a common life. There are no monuments dedicated to me and my name will soon be forgotten. But in one respect I have succeeded as gloriously as anyone who’s ever lived: I’ve loved another with all my heart and soul; and to me, this has always been enough.

This shows us that loving others is your greatest priority. That kind of man is hard to find!

7.) Men who really listen. I mean, you can tell he really listened because he remembered her wishes. When she said what she wanted, he looked at her intently, as if he were making a note in his mind. Like Rick Warren says in The Purpose-driven Life, what we really want from people we love is “focused attention.” We want to look into your eyes, and see that all of you is really there, and there is no other place you would rather be. This shows us that we are up there on your mental priority list and that you value our thoughts.

8.) Men who would tell the truth, risk hurting our feelings, and fight with us rather than withdraw and brush issues under the rug to preserve peace. Like this scene:

Noah: Well, that’s what we do: we fight. You tell me when I am being an arrogant son of a b**ch, and I tell you when you are a pain in the a**, which you are 99 percent of the time. I’m not afraid to hurt your feelings. You have like a 2-second rebound rate, then you’re back doing the next pain-in-the-a** thing.
Allie: So what?
Noah: So it’s not going to be easy. It’s going to be really hard. We’re gonna have to work at this every day, but I want to do that because I want you. I want all of you, forever, you and me, every day.

It shows us that you care enough about saving the authenticity of the relationship to speak out. It shows that you are not indifferent. It shows that you are a man and not a doormat.

9.) Men who are realists. They believe that it will take work and that it will be hard. Love is work; it isn’t leisure. They don’t buy into an easy, pain-free “happily ever after.” It shows us that you are in it with earthly expectations and that you are not just in love with the high of being in love. It shows us that you are willing to work at love and that hard times will not make you hardened. And lastly…

10.) Men who want us till death do us part. Forever isn’t scary; commitment isn’t scary. We want to believe that it is natural to want forever, to want commitment because it’s with us. A couple of years ago, I asked a guy I dated what was the number one quality he wanted in a girl. He replied, “forever.” (Sigh.) I guess “forever” is a universal wish of those who truly seek love.






I'm not saying males should become this.. but if you have not seen this movie.. you should. It may be a unrealistic to met a guy who has all of Noah's qualities, and I am certain no woman wants them all exactly. But honestly that is what I think most women look for..in general.

It is also why women like jerks. Because like Noah said...he was not afraid of hurting her feeling and that is SOOOOOO important in a relationship.

Yes you should be thoughtful, but it is nice when men are also rude and honest. Because then we can just fight quickly and make up and everything will be good again. Instead of all the tip-toeing which will always end badly and takes forever to end.

This movie was so sweet though. If you saw it what did you think of it?

 
heh well.... Some women aren't satisfied still, giving all these and even more.
 
Noah was also the perfect man's build of 180 pounds with 5 percent bodyfat.
 
SocratesX said:
Noah was also the perfect man's build of 180 pounds with 5 percent bodyfat.

To your point. It's a good list for a man who's in a relationship.

When I'm on a men's message board where there are men who are good at picking up women, I'm harping on them about stuff on this list because they have the same issue as the men on this board. They don't understand that dating women comes in two parts: the attraction phase and the emotional bonding phase. The alphas are excellent partners for the first phase but they're terrible on the second. The men are this board are terrible in the first phase, but they'd make very good partners for the second.

A man can cry in front of his wife, but don't ever cry on the first date.

tangerinedream said:
Mary Mary said:
How timely.

I found this article last night:

He Loves Me, He Loves Me Not...

More brilliant research from Science Daily

Men More Likely to Stick With Girlfriends Who Sleep With Other Women Than Other Men

Gee, that's some ground-breaking research right there.

:p

Isn't that funny? Some of the headlines kill me. My favorite is "scientists turn snails into slug-like creature." Those crazy scientists. They just can't stop playing God.

Also, in terms of the article above, that's only for the sexual attraction phase. Don't act this way with a woman who's emotionally bonded to you. At that point, the yes-no stuff just gets annoying.

 
Mary Mary said:
A man can cry in front of his wife, but don't ever cry on the first date

There was a guy on my other board who posted that he cried almost daily about never having any girlfriends. When I told the boss of my PUA lair this, he said "Oh yeahh..... cryin' everyday.... girls find that hot!!"
 
SocratesX said:
Mary Mary said:
A man can cry in front of his wife, but don't ever cry on the first date

There was a guy on my other board who posted that he cried almost daily about never having any girlfriends. When I told the boss of my PUA lair this, he said "Oh yeahh..... cryin' everyday.... girls find that hot!!"

:D That's what I'd call a primal turn off.
 
Only problem with this is, to learn these lessons we'd have to watch the Notebook. I don't think anyone is worth that! :p
 
That wouldn't be real,I mean,that's the reason it is a movie (aka fiction,from a book either written by that Nicholas guy or a girl) and not a "documentary" of sorts.

Isn't that the main problem women say they have with players? Being fake?
(fun fact: men love women who are fake... in the chest xD)

Tbh it's because of movies like that that give women fake expectives and destroy completely all the scheme of finding a man in the first place (even though a man if he was truly in love could do something like that,but first he had to fall in love and the woman would reject him before he had a chance)
 
Mary Mary said:
A man can cry in front of his wife, but don't ever cry on the first date.

In other words, a woman wants a man who can be two different things at two different times?

Tough before mating, sensitive after?

Wow, this is practical.

Practically impossible.

People don't change based on what you find sexually arousing on any particular given day.

If what you turns you on changes from day to day, or even phase to phase in your life, may I suggest not claiming you desire monogamy, when by your own admission you want two conflicting types of man?

 
Some Men are so egotistic that when they actually find some advise that is so crazy it might just work but suggests that what they do is the oppesite of what they should do they will rather critisize it just to spare their feelings. If you know this will fail then why do so many complain about not being able to successfully attract dates. If what you are doing does not work why not try something else. Thus said this quote is a good example 'I didn't fail I just found 10 000 ways that don't work.'
I have learned try all but only keep that which is good.

What I'm saying is all is worth the try you never know, it's that which sounds crazy that tend to work the best. What do you have to loose?
 
Ladysphinx said:
What do you have to lose?

Self-Respect.

People need to evaluate their goals. Sometimes in these sorts of discussions, you will hear the posters reference attracting a mate - aka: picking up someone and discuss it as it's the same as being in a relationship. It's not the same.

As evidenced by what Mary Mary said above in addition to numerous studies, women are attracted to one type of man and yet tend to be in relationships with another type of man long term.

For the men, this leaves two options:

A. be Man Type 1: don't cry (clearly an analogy to tough alpha traits)
B. be Man Type 2: do cry (clearly an analogy to weak beta traits)

To pick women up, you need to be the first type, to keep them you need to be the second type, but inevitably will lose them if another sexxay man comes strolling along who happens to be the first type.

What this all means is that men need to determine what they want, short term gratification with no long term commitments or long periods of celibacy followed by relationships with sex that are bound to fail when what she finds sexually arousing changes.

The larger point here is that until and unless two people meet who truly value monogamy more than their primal urges, it is all doomed to fail.
 
Joseph said:
The larger point here is that until and unless two people meet who truly value monogamy more than their primal urges, it is all doomed to fail.

THIS IS THE KEY.

People who can't control their primal urges aren't truly emotionally mature or very wise. Why would you want to be with someone like that? There are plenty of people out there who HAVE grown up and understand that self-discipline and self-control are in the long run worth more than the fleeting pleasure one gets from randomly chasing their natural whims.
 
Joseph said:
The larger point here is that until and unless two people meet who truly value monogamy more than their primal urges, it is all doomed to fail.

It's even more complicated than that.

Say you DO get a couple of horny lovebirds who are attracted to each other and who place a high value on monogamy (with each other no less), things can still fail spectacularly thanks to insurmountable communication differences.

It's a wonder anyone ever stays together at all.

 
Noah gets away with it bcuz he only has to do all those thing once in 2 hours :p

Those are valid pionts...
I"m not perfect @ it .

Being with Francis for the past 6 month had taught me so..so much.

Im learning how to fight with Francis
and not against her. Not the easist thing in the world when tempers r flying.

Ive been persistence...I belive thats paying off.
However Ive let her down numberous times...it time that I do it puts a weg between us...but shes very demanding on certain things..and making me keep promises and on certain things thats beyound my control is setting herself up for a fall becuaz of her EXPECTATIONS....
Yet shes still willing to try

My difficualty is telling her the truth or things she dsont wanna hear becuz her feelings get hurt..then she see me as her enemy. I wish not to hurt her in anyway. She hurted enough in her life.
So...I just let her figure the honeysuckle out on her own.

My approch with Francis is NO EXPECTATIONS and not judging her.

I more than Love Francis. I cherish ner.
Whatever ur experince together may bring..the good times or bad times.
I cherish every moment I. With her.


I havve somethig that Noah dosnt have. :p

Im this way today beccuz I had to go through a lot of growing pains...I wanted verything to be perfect with Jenni and for the most part we were very very close and I was very much in love with her and couldnt imagin any other woman in my life after I met Jenni...
Its been most difficult Letting Jenni go after she died. Trying to move on with my life...allowing myself to fall in love with another woman and cherrish her..
Things need not be perfect with Francis N I...It dosnt have to be anyway..
 
Joseph said:
Mary Mary said:
A man can cry in front of his wife, but don't ever cry on the first date.

In other words, a woman wants a man who can be two different things at two different times?

Tough before mating, sensitive after?

Wow, this is practical.

Practically impossible.

People don't change based on what you find sexually arousing on any particular given day.

If what you turns you on changes from day to day, or even phase to phase in your life, may I suggest not claiming you desire monogamy, when by your own admission you want two conflicting types of man?

It's evolution. Many men pull it off.


Joseph said:
Ladysphinx said:
What do you have to lose?

Self-Respect.

People need to evaluate their goals. Sometimes in these sorts of discussions, you will hear the posters reference attracting a mate - aka: picking up someone and discuss it as it's the same as being in a relationship. It's not the same.

As evidenced by what Mary Mary said above in addition to numerous studies, women are attracted to one type of man and yet tend to be in relationships with another type of man long term.

For the men, this leaves two options:

A. be Man Type 1: don't cry (clearly an analogy to tough alpha traits)
B. be Man Type 2: do cry (clearly an analogy to weak beta traits)

To pick women up, you need to be the first type, to keep them you need to be the second type, but inevitably will lose them if another sexxay man comes strolling along who happens to be the first type.

What this all means is that men need to determine what they want, short term gratification with no long term commitments or long periods of celibacy followed by relationships with sex that are bound to fail when what she finds sexually arousing changes.

The larger point here is that until and unless two people meet who truly value monogamy more than their primal urges, it is all doomed to fail.

I think you're making it more complicated than it needs to be.
 
I think there is a good reason why we tend to want two different types of men.

Yes you can say that it is wise to ignore what your primal instinct says, but honestly I'm beginning to think our instincts are very, very wise.
I agree that some men will never seem to be alpha in the beginning and when they truly decide that they love you then they will do all the things that women were looking for in the beginning (type one/alpha things). My husband is like this, and men like this are great. But I feel really lucky with me husband, I would have never known he was like that before we became a couple, and most often a female needs to know before she chooses you.

But listen, my point is ... we want to see a guy act alpha in the beginning because we need to know that he CAN. That is all. Because honestly, not everyone can. We need to know that if everything goes wrong, he will still be there trying to fix it. We need to know that he wont give up just because he heard no two or three times. That is important.

Someone who will never give up, someone who is not afraid to be himself.. all those things are way more important in a relationship than many people realize.

In life so much can happen that it is important to find someone who wont give up. It can be sooooo annoying to me when just one minor thing goes wrong and a male is like 'oh well, we can't do ..blah blah blah.' It's like.. where is your backbone? Do you not want to do it? Well tell me that, don't tell me you arent doing it because there is an obstacle.

So somehow women need proof that you are a fighter! That you will not give up when hard times come. That you won't give up on the relationship when it is hard. And that is a lot of why we love men who have truly chased us. The ones we said no to a tonne of times in the beginning.. but they kept trying. By the way some guys who try when a girl says no come across as aggressive, and that can be very scary. So how you try is important, I think it's important let the girl feel safe and non threatened. She should feel that she is in charge, not in charge if you.. but in control of the situation.


Also it is important for the guy to be 'rude' to us from time to time...without making us feel too horrible. We need to know that he is honest. Because relationships need that type of honesty. To communicate well people have to be honest. And that means being rude sometimes, that means being expressive.

Long term we also need these alpha characteristics, such as being rude, and not giving up...chasing.

But long term we expect you to also LOVE us. And that is why it may seem that we are attracted to two types of men. In fact I think we simply want alphas who love us.

We dont expect a guy to love us in the beginning, but we do expect him to
-Be himself (or rather to communicate honestly without caring too much about our feelings)
-Show that he does not give up easily

But once in a relationship, we do expect him to love us and then he should be softer with us, more emotional.. he should feel safe to cry with us ..and to be completely open with us..

But we still want him to be the alpha-ish guy that he was when we met him. We still want him to be honest and to never give up. We are not asking for two different guys but we are asking for love and characteristics that are important to have a successful relationship.

And if perseverance and communication are the foundations of relationships, then evolution was very wise in how it created our primal instincts.

Because that is what Noah was, that is what alphas are. They are simply honest guys, who do not give up when things get a little hard. Betas and the rest give up. You tell them no twice and they are gone. They also try to please you, this annoys women a lot. And rightly so.

Have you ever tried to argue with a man who is trying not to hurt you, or who tries to please you?? He will never say what the real problem is because he fears you too much. And how can you even get close to someone who fears to show you what they really feel?
 

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