Senamian
- Yet some professionals forget to even put forth the effort themselves... Just because they are already "there" in life.
I think that "Professional" isn't a badge you have that you wear...it's something you have to earn and retain. You can be a professional today and lose it tomorrow if you don't put in the effort.
- Yet those with love, find that their lives are STILL worthless.
If the "love" is "real" then you may feel worthless...but the person who 'loves' knows your life is priceless.
- No, more of... When people have loyalty, they abuse the privileges of someone who is always there. But then there are those who are very loyal - but find their loyalty, is unwanted. Or unappreciated and unseen.
Agreed. Loyalty must be mutual. I wonder why we let it be one way so often.
- The world "stops moving" idea, kind of reminds me of such things as "stranded on an island with 5 people; how do you survive?" Some people may not know what to do, but once shown - will help. Then there are those who think they are "too good" to put effort in. If the world stopped moving, I almost half expect most people to think they were too good to help push - and leave it to the smaller numbers of people who pitch in.
Those who think they're 'too good' - are actually "not good enough". They think they shouldn't stoop to that level...I assume it's because they're weak - not strong enough. Would you demand that they help?
- But one strength only goes so far - bring in 2, 5, 10 people - then you have more than one strength, and can go farther. So all in all, the individual is as important as the group individuals make up.
Do you agree that: In the same way that a strong person can bring more strength to a group...a weak person can bring more weakness?
- But I know those (including myself) who do push themselves passed their limits, and in the end their mental and/or physical strength depletes so much so, that they end up falling harder at the end, then if they had taken a second to breathe. Though in the end there is strength, there's also still strength if one does not continuously push themselves. Sometimes it is nice to relax. I know that though a yea and a half ago, I did come out a lot stronger by pushing myself (more of survival than anything), I could have been just as strong if I had the willingness to accept people's help.
I don't know if I agree..I think you are stronger because you pushed yourself, rather than ask for help. You demanded success/victory from yourself. You can now face stronger challenges...if you accepted help you would have simply required more people to help you. Some things can't be done alone...but some can...they're just a little more painful - but that doesn't mean you shouldn't do them alone. A victory you earned yourself is always sweeter than one you must share. But then again perhaps that is being selfish...
- Tolerance is the aftermath of love depletion. Or, even the beginning when there really wasn't love there. Sure, the words I Love You may be said, but the feeling is gone. You tolerate them, but eventually that tolerance sours. That is why love HAS to be continuously refreshed. You see it in marriages. They have kids, they're too busy, they're too tired, they had a long day at work... Eventually the connection is frayed, and tolerance becomes the norm. But refresh the love, taking time to show said love - it doesn't have to "age like milk". And yes, it can be bottled up and locked away... Allowing you to forget about it, and even live without it - but to truly live... You need a lot more than aging tolerance. And love is not limited to couples either.
Makes a lot of sense. It almost seems like there is a scale:
Love <-> Tolerance <-> Loveless
Love is the ultimate goal - but it can get old. I suppose "love" is a lot like "professional" in that regard. You have to earn and keep earning it....or it goes away.
Regumika
What if you get dealt a bad hand...are you still expected to win the game? (i dont think winning is the objective here)
If you don't win, then you lose...I know I know...it's a pessimistic attitude - but be careful calling someone a pessimist - they may in-turn call you naive
*its not a game to be won, its not even a competition
It isn't? You sure? . I've always felt that it was...women want the best man...men want the best woman. Nobody wants to settle. We all love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. It's just a matter of perspective - what do I think is the best woman...will be different from what you think.
What if your biggest test has already come and gone? (take two... annnnd action!)
Second chances are a rare luxury
*unless you mean stuff like joining the military and failed -now on permanent record and you will never get another chance- then create another chance. its not always about choosing the best path, but creating a new path.
I never joined the army (although I probably should have). But now that you mention it...I'm 26 and happy with my career and too old to join the army. So in a sense - that is what I mean. I didn't care about sports when I was in Highschool - but looking back I would have liked to play football...I just never did. Now I don't have the time or the body to start. Time is something you never get back.
What if you're just here so that when someone else does something amazing...there's a crowd? (the recognition is the problem, why do you even need to be recognized by people who dont matter?)
I'd rather be the one recognized than the one who doesn't matter
*thats what i was warning against.. the 'need to be recognized' needs to be dissolved. life is not about being recognized. its all social status that doesnt matter - though people keep making it matter.
I agree. It's quite sad every time somebody wants a gold star for every little thing. I know what I did and I sleep well (or at least better) knowing that when a task came my way...I gave it my all and got the job done...I don't need other people to tell me that.
What if everything happens for a really stupid reason?? (you are the one to make it stupid)
To hell with fate? I can respect that - but what if fighting fate is like fighting gravity?
*no.. i was trying to imply 'perspective'.. it is only stupid if you make it stupid. if you dont think it is a stupid reason, then it isnt.
Interesting idea...but I don't know that you can control what you think. I always try to look beyond the surface...but if somebody asks me to do something and I decide it's stupid for reason A, B and C...and nobody can refute them...sorry, but it's stupid.
What if everyone you know just hangs out with you because they enjoy laughing at you behind your back? (you can laugh at anyone for anything. now you know they arent worth your time)
Is deciding people aren't worth it the same as deciding to be alone?
*take zombie apocalypse. it is better to continue living and fighting alone in hopes of other survivors than to just give up and die. technically yes you are alone.. but you havent given up yet.
I love that you went straight for zombie apocalypse (really! - walking dead fan? It's coming back! ). But I get your point. Giving up is never an option. My problem is that there are people out there who will hang out with you just so they can laugh behind your back. Agreed that these people aren't worth the time and effort...but it makes you paranoid that you're just being naive.
- one who doesn't love themselves loves others too much (no, that loving other's part is a bit fake in this case)
Is it? Emotions don't go away...you can't bottle them up inside for a lifetime - they eventually overflow into other parts of your life
*flow into other parts - perhaps. it being love (or loving/lovingly)? i don't think so. <-if you're talking about being kind and stuff.. kind is not the same as love.
I suppose you're right...emotions you are experiencing may flow into other parts of your life: If i'm having a good day at work...I'm happy...I'll definitely be nicer to people...if I'm not having a nice day I'm the gray man. I don't know that an emotion that is missing in your life will ooze into your life in other ways.
- not being strong enough is not an option (that's not the point. be as strong as you can be.. plus one)
Sounds complacent - don't be happy with how strong you are...what if someone wants to take something from you and they're stronger than you?
*i think we're talking about different 'strong' here.. and you missed the +1 part. but ill bite, physically weak? learn to compensate with other strengths. against brute strength? get a weapon. if they have a weapon too? then you two are equally strong.
I suppose +1 works. But I meant something more than physically strong. I meant stronger as a person (emotionally, mentally). Women don't just go for the most physically strong man...they will go for the man who is smarter and has stronger convictions. Never be satisfied with how strong you are, you can be proud, but not satisfied.
- hand-in-hand is not as strong as shoulder-to-shoulder (i think thats the same side of the coin)
Is loving each other more important than being willing to face the world together? - (no...i don't think one automatically implies the other)
*it does imply the other, otherwise it cant be called love.
Eh...maybe you're right. I would think that love would come first...love + time = willing to face the world together
- deep down a person can get used to pain and misery - to the point where pain and joy trade places (disagree, you cant get used to pain, you can shut down your emotions - which also shuts down joy)
Agree - does seem a bit cowardly to shut down your emotions because they're too painful
*its not cowardly to not be able to handle pain.. pain is not designed to be handled. pain can be ignored (along with all other feelings, but its not a sign of strength) or it can be alleviated.
Granted avoiding pain makes you rational. But what do you respect more:
a man who fights face to face and hand to hand and dies fighting? Or a man that sneaks into your bedroom and shoots you in your sleep? He avoided pain didn't he?
Perhaps that example is a bit extreme...but it's a thought I figured worth bringing up. I don't know...for me...fear is the worst prison in the world. I'll take pain over fear.
Thanks again guys for sharing your thoughts! If I owe you a penny for your thoughts...I'd owe you guys enough to buy you free drinks all night (if we ever meet
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Cheers to you guys!