Questions for the Women

[kamya]

The male PUA community is huge compared to the female part. I'm not so sure to say there's even a female culture about pick-up.

There is a lady version of pickup culture but they focus on different things than guy PUAs do.

The guys are about playing the numbers game. Salesman approach. Hit up as many women as possible and no matter how low your close rate is youll still get a few sales as long as you put in enough time and effort playing the numbers game. After a while you get better. Develop systems, scripts, routines, tricks. Your close rate improves. 

Woman PUAs seem to be more about how to attract and keep a certain kind of desirable guy, not just getting guys in general. From the articles/ videos/ podcasts I've listened to that seems to be the case at least.

That didnt seem like a question really but I figured I'd answer anyways.

 

[ardour]

To be fair, it's common practice all over for males to be the ones who'll approach. Women show interest in a more subtle way, most of the time.

I'm pretty sure that it boils down to the biology of it, females choose the best male and they're the ones who have to peacock their way into bed, etc.

It's more likely an aversion to risking rejection. A large number of men would remain passive as well if given the option.

 

[DarkSelene]

That's shockingly gender-specific and terribly unfair to the other 143 genders.

Lol

I chuckled. =p

+1

 

[bleed_the_freak]

To be fair, it's common practice all over for males to be the ones who'll approach. Women show interest in a more subtle way, most of the time.

I'm pretty sure that it boils down to the biology of it, females choose the best male and they're the ones who have to peacock their way into bed, etc.

It's more likely an aversion to risking rejection. A large number of men would remain passive as well if given the option.

Unfortunately, nature hasn't given us the option. We're the ones with peacock feathers and big swinging members. When life gives you two lemons, you gotta make a tall glass of lemonade!

 

[ardour]

To be fair, it's common practice all over for males to be the ones who'll approach. Women show interest in a more subtle way, most of the time.

I'm pretty sure that it boils down to the biology of it, females choose the best male and they're the ones who have to peacock their way into bed, etc.

It's more likely an aversion to risking rejection. A large number of men would remain passive as well if given the option.

Unfortunately, nature hasn't given us the option. We're the ones with peacock feathers and big swinging members. When life gives you two lemons, you gotta make a tall glass of lemonade!

It wouldn’t be so bad if it were just a matter of  plumes, swinging members, or the harmless clashing of antlers, but when the display has to involve ingrained personality traits and the unburstable confidence and social adeptness required to carry the interactions and remain interesting and attractive, often for months until you're officially together, well you can understand why some men grow bitter. But then I suppose you’ll fire back that women ultimately risk more in pairing up with a sub-standard mate.

 

[bleed_the_freak]

To be fair, it's common practice all over for males to be the ones who'll approach. Women show interest in a more subtle way, most of the time.

I'm pretty sure that it boils down to the biology of it, females choose the best male and they're the ones who have to peacock their way into bed, etc.

It's more likely an aversion to risking rejection. A large number of men would remain passive as well if given the option.

Unfortunately, nature hasn't given us the option. We're the ones with peacock feathers and big swinging members. When life gives you two lemons, you gotta make a tall glass of lemonade!

It wouldn’t be so bad if it were just a matter of  plumes,  swinging members, or the harmless clashing of antlers,  but when the display has to involve ingrained personality traits and the uburstable confidence and social adeptness required carry the interactions and remain interesting and attractive, often for months until you're officially togethor, well you can understand why some men grow bitter. But then I suppose you’ll fire back that women ultimately risk more in pairing up with a sub-standard mate.

Nope. Not gonna fire back with that at all. In fact, I believe there is validity to what you've contributed. We know it's a royal screwing. The question is: how do we find a way to cope and/or adapt best?

 

[DarkSelene]

Find cool weirdo chicks that don't care about crap like that and find the qualities that you actually have attractive. (say that I'm just being innocent or something, it's OK)

 

[bleed_the_freak]

Find cool weirdo chicks that don't care about crap like that and find the qualities that you actually have attractive. (say that I'm just being innocent or something, it's OK)

^ great advice, I can personally attest to it

 

[michael2]

Find cool weirdo chicks that don't care about crap like that and find the qualities that you actually have attractive. (say that I'm just being innocent or something, it's OK)

I know you werent being too serious but why would they be considered weirdo for not caring about that crap.  Men and women who are aware of and annoyed by the whole thing are sadly the small minority of the population, usually an outcast, so its not so easy to just find someone like that.  They're also likely an introvert who've been disillusioned by society so finding them is only that much harder.

As for men having to approach women, my sister said one of the reason its like this is because women do not want to come off as sluts, or prostitutes.  Its socially acceptable for men to approach and ask out many women,  but if a woman were to do that to men she would be labeled a slut.

I think  a big problem is many men are being seen more and more as undesirable.  The 'stock' of being a man is way down, and the stock of being a woman is way up right now.  You have an issue where 80% of women can get away with only giving attention to the top 20% of men (alphas).  Thus one alpha guy can have 10+ relationships by the time he is 30 and a beta might have 1 or 2 or even none. Porn is more popular then ever because its feeding on lonely men who have been left crippled after being devalued so much by society.  This phenomenon has caused big drop offs in birth rates in places like Japan.

 

[kamya]

As for men having to approach women, my sister said one of the reason its like this is because women do not want to come off as sluts, or prostitutes.  Its socially acceptable for men to approach and ask out many women,  but if a woman were to do that to men she would be labeled a slut.

Equality only when it suits them. Where are the feminists campaigning to fight this gender role norm? =p

I think its less that guys will actually think she's a slut and more that she herself "feels" like she's acting like a slut. Something women try to avoid at all costs. Gotta protect her image mhmm. Oh this is assuming that her argument isn't just a weak cop-out to hide the fact that she can't handle risking rejection. I don't see many guys reacting negatively to a woman approaching them.

Ladies! What is the first thing you notice when meeting a new guy?

 

[TheRealCallie]

I think they only appear as sluts when they dress and act like sluts. Lol

First thing I notice are the eyes.  You can tell a lot about a person from their eyes.

 

[kamya]

You only say that because your eyes look cool =p

 

[ardour]

 

[DarkSelene]

Hands and beard, awn

 

[VanillaCreme]

Hands and beard, awn

Hands definitely. I like nice looking hands. I also notice lips.

 

[ladyforsaken]

Hands and beard, awn

Hands definitely. I like nice looking hands. I also notice lips.

Mmm yummy. Hands, beard, lips and hair... mm mmm.

 

[Volt]

Hands and beard, awn

Hands definitely. I like nice looking hands. I also notice lips.

Mmm yummy. Hands, beard, lips and hair... mm mmm.

Heey all of you, i have been told i have nice hands. I also have hair and lips.

 

[kamya]

Hands and beard, awn

Hands definitely. I like nice looking hands. I also notice lips.

Mmm yummy. Hands, beard, lips and hair... mm mmm.

Heey all of you, i have been told i have nice hands. I also have hair and lips.

 I also posses lips and hands!

 

[TheRealCallie]

Mmm yummy. Hands, beard, lips and hair... mm mmm.

Heey all of you, i have been told i have nice hands. I also have hair and lips.

 I also posses lips and hands!

PROOF!

 

[kamya]

Mmm yummy. Hands, beard, lips and hair... mm mmm.

Heey all of you, i have been told i have nice hands. I also have hair and lips.

 I also posses lips and hands!

PROOF!