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It extends to how people are perceived in the entirety of their l lives

Having a spouse/de facto partner, or at least serious past relationships under your belt, is a powerful form of validation that lets your peers know that you're more likely to be 'normal' and well-adjusted, as opposed to emotionally unstable, otherwise inadequate and/or (if male), a creep.
 
ardour said:
It extends to how people are perceived in the entirety of their l lives

Having a spouse/de facto partner, or at least serious past relationships under your belt, is a powerful form of validation that let's your peers know that you're more likely to be 'normal' and well-adjusted, as opposed to emotionally unstable, otherwise inadequate and/or (if male), a creep.

I actually agree (somewhat) with that statement because I've seen people judge others based on their relationship status. It's not right, but it's done at times.
:p I think the female counterpart of Ardour's "creep" is "crazy cat lady." lol
 
EveWasFramed said:
ardour said:
It extends to how people are perceived in the entirety of their l lives

Having a spouse/de facto partner, or at least serious past relationships under your belt, is a powerful form of validation that lets your peers know that you're more likely to be 'normal' and well-adjusted, as opposed to emotionally unstable, otherwise inadequate and/or (if male), a creep.

I actually agree (somewhat) with that statement because I've seen people judge others based on their relationship status. It's not right, but it's done at times.
:p I think the female counterpart of Ardour's "creep" is "crazy cat lady." lol

Or just "crazy".
 
ardour said:
EveWasFramed said:
ardour said:
It extends to how people are perceived in the entirety of their l lives

Having a spouse/de facto partner, or at least serious past relationships under your belt, is a powerful form of validation that lets your peers know that you're more likely to be 'normal' and well-adjusted, as opposed to emotionally unstable, otherwise inadequate and/or (if male), a creep.

I actually agree (somewhat) with that statement because I've seen people judge others based on their relationship status. It's not right, but it's done at times.
:p I think the female counterpart of Ardour's "creep" is "crazy cat lady." lol

Or just "crazy".

I'm quite sure I have a thread around here somewhere about that, lol.
:club:
 
EveWasFramed said:
I'm quite sure I have a thread around here somewhere about that, lol.
:club:

...I have a few "entitled" ones.

"Creepy male/old man";"crazy fickle woman", epithets to stop singles bothering their betters with complaints. Some people honestly think that if you were worthy of having a partner, you'd have one.
 
Yep, you have a point, Ardour. Although I don't think there's a vast and sinister conspiracy against single people, singles are sometimes unfairly judged.
Maybe it's my age but I feel like in the past few years I've been able to more easily weed out the judgmental people from my life. Sadly, I've come across more women than men like that.
Edit to add: That could be because I hang out mostly with women though :)

-Teresa
 
Even if the world is a sinister place where all the 'happy' people are actively, thoughtfully conspiring to keep the 'unhappy' people down, I'd rather not see it that way. What purpose does that serve? What useful goal does that help one attain? Most of our lives are lived within our heads. So why not make that as happy a place as possible?
 
jd7 said:
Even if the world is a sinister place where all the 'happy' people are actively, thoughtfully conspiring to keep the 'unhappy' people down, I'd rather not see it that way. What purpose does that serve? What useful goal does that help one attain? Most of our lives are lived within our heads. So why not make that as happy a place as possible?

Some people are pessimists, some people are optimists, I see myself as a realist, living in a negative world. I need to stay grounded in reality. It's the only way to keep my head on straight. If this is the way it is, then I need to know it so that I can deal with it effectively. I had parents who's minds existed in some alternate reality of denial where we were actually a horror story disguised as the Waltons. I got pretty good at searching for truths and I got good at being able to face reality it even if it is painful or disappoints me. I don't think I've ever used denial as a defence mechanism to be honest as I was conditioned at an early age to scan facts in search of truths. To me, It's an adaptive reasoning skill, and I'm actually really thankful I have it. I wouldn't trade it for anything, it makes me feel authentic, which is a character trait I really value and admire in other people.
 
I think the best way for someone to date who is new to dating is to not really "date", in a traditional sense, but just socialize. Don't do it when you're not feeling up to it, or you won't be yourself, but just socialize with everyone and anyone you can. Chat with the guy behind the counter at the convenience store, even if it's just a couple sentences. Don't just follow the nurse into the room quietly, tell her a little bit about your day or something you saw outside that was interesting, or complement her on her hair. Talk to the girl or guy (it doesn't matter who it is.. girls are better, yes, but anyone!) at the cash register at the grocery store about something you observe at the store that's different, or tell them what you're making tonight with the ingredients you have purchased and how excited you are to cook tonight (if it's genuine!).

Don't expect any sort of real dates or relationships to happen, but just socialize more with strangers. Once you're comfortable with that, and you're just being yourself, take a look at yourself in the mirror and don't buy a new wardrobe or make drastic changes, but yes, see if you can do some minor things to enhance your appearance or at least show that you understand current fashion and aren't wearing jeans from 1994 or have the exact same haircut from when you graduated from high school, but don't do something drastic if you aren't comfortable with it either.

Now you're ready. Keep socializing, but be showered, brush your teeth, carry gum, and your appearance is at least a little more sharp now... and just keep socializing. When it happens to be that you are socializing with a girl you find attractive, finish up with something like "Hey, I have to run, but do you want to talk more sometime later? I can give you me cell?" or whatever. If she accepts, don't expect a call/text, since she might not be right for you. If she declines, a happy smile and a "You can't blame me for asking!" and you're on your way, no heart crushed! :)

This is a socialization game where you can't force things unfortunately. Most things in life we can try harder and make it work, but not here. You just will be talking to too many people who already have boyfriends (but don't assume it!), or just aren't into you that way, but you have to keep socializing and then asking them if they want to talk more or even get coffee or grab something to eat some time, and just be ready for you happy smile and "You can't blame me for asking!" natural warm response.

So I guess yea, there is a fine line here between what people mean when you need to try, but then you're trying to hard. You have to at least put forth the effort to talk to people, and there is nothing wrong with wanting to be in a relationship. God I wish I was back in one right now and it sucks to not be, but you can't make it happen by trying harder and harder, being someone you are not, etc. That is what people mean by trying too hard. You shouldn't think you are necessarily doing something wrong just because you aren't having success. Like baseball, you fail 70% of the time and you are great and successful at hitting. When socializing with women and then trying to get a date and move forward from there, you can be "great" at it and still "fail" a very high percentage of the time. It's not like college where almost everyone is single any more. People also tend to get more selective when they are older and have had experience with what they do and don't like on top of that, but don't think of it as a "fail", it is a success if you "played your cards right" and got more experience. You can only control putting your best foot forward and putting yourself out there at the end to let her know you're interested, but you really can't expect to "succeed" very often at all... but you'll never succeed without trying at this level at least. You don't have to try any harder than this though!

If you are starting out just now, you can't cram in decades of dating experience and socializing and talking to women in a year's time either. That's just something you have to accept. It's like going into martial arts and wanting to work harder than everyone else so you can become a black belt in 6 months. You do have to accept that some things take time, and this is one of them, but working towards that goal and seeing progress should be satisfying enough.

Does this make sense at all, or shine any light on where the line is between needing to put forth some effort vs. trying to hard and going overboard? Believe me, I wish you could just try harder and end up in a happy relationship quicker, because I'd be a far happier person right now, but I have experience dating and know it just doesn't work that way.
 
LostMyLove said:
I think the best way for someone to date who is new to dating is to not really "date", in a traditional sense, but just socialize. Don't do it when you're not feeling up to it, or you won't be yourself, but just socialize with everyone and anyone you can. Chat with the guy behind the counter at the convenience store, even if it's just a couple sentences. Don't just follow the nurse into the room quietly, tell her a little bit about your day or something you saw outside that was interesting, or complement her on her hair. Talk to the girl or guy (it doesn't matter who it is.. girls are better, yes, but anyone!) at the cash register at the grocery store about something you observe at the store that's different, or tell them what you're making tonight with the ingredients you have purchased and how excited you are to cook tonight (if it's genuine!).

Don't expect any sort of real dates or relationships to happen, but just socialize more with strangers. Once you're comfortable with that, and you're just being yourself, take a look at yourself in the mirror and don't buy a new wardrobe or make drastic changes, but yes, see if you can do some minor things to enhance your appearance or at least show that you understand current fashion and aren't wearing jeans from 1994 or have the exact same haircut from when you graduated from high school, but don't do something drastic if you aren't comfortable with it either.

Now you're ready. Keep socializing, but be showered, brush your teeth, carry gum, and your appearance is at least a little more sharp now... and just keep socializing. When it happens to be that you are socializing with a girl you find attractive, finish up with something like "Hey, I have to run, but do you want to talk more sometime later? I can give you me cell?" or whatever. If she accepts, don't expect a call/text, since she might not be right for you. If she declines, a happy smile and a "You can't blame me for asking!" and you're on your way, no heart crushed! :)

This is a socialization game where you can't force things unfortunately. Most things in life we can try harder and make it work, but not here. You just will be talking to too many people who already have boyfriends (but don't assume it!), or just aren't into you that way, but you have to keep socializing and then asking them if they want to talk more or even get coffee or grab something to eat some time, and just be ready for you happy smile and "You can't blame me for asking!" natural warm response.

So I guess yea, there is a fine line here between what people mean when you need to try, but then you're trying to hard. You have to at least put forth the effort to talk to people, and there is nothing wrong with wanting to be in a relationship. God I wish I was back in one right now and it sucks to not be, but you can't make it happen by trying harder and harder, being someone you are not, etc. That is what people mean by trying too hard. You shouldn't think you are necessarily doing something wrong just because you aren't having success. Like baseball, you fail 70% of the time and you are great and successful at hitting. When socializing with women and then trying to get a date and move forward from there, you can be "great" at it and still "fail" a very high percentage of the time. It's not like college where almost everyone is single any more. People also tend to get more selective when they are older and have had experience with what they do and don't like on top of that, but don't think of it as a "fail", it is a success if you "played your cards right" and got more experience. You can only control putting your best foot forward and putting yourself out there at the end to let her know you're interested, but you really can't expect to "succeed" very often at all... but you'll never succeed without trying at this level at least. You don't have to try any harder than this though!

If you are starting out just now, you can't cram in decades of dating experience and socializing and talking to women in a year's time either. That's just something you have to accept. It's like going into martial arts and wanting to work harder than everyone else so you can become a black belt in 6 months. You do have to accept that some things take time, and this is one of them, but working towards that goal and seeing progress should be satisfying enough.

Does this make sense at all, or shine any light on where the line is between needing to put forth some effort vs. trying to hard and going overboard? Believe me, I wish you could just try harder and end up in a happy relationship quicker, because I'd be a far happier person right now, but I have experience dating and know it just doesn't work that way.

Good points
 
You can't do it by 'being someone you are not.'
I want to have this sentence printed out and framed as it is something I need to believe.
 
SofiasMami said:
ABrokenMan said:
In the US, tax laws benefit married people more than single people.

I've heard married couples complain about the "marriage penalty" when they file their federal taxes. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, isn't it? I suppose there will always be something to complain about or discuss when it comes to relationships and male/ female topics.

-Teresa

Married couples have a choice to file together, or independently.

single people have to file as single people;)
 
LonelyGuy1 said:
Of course, being a 35-year-old whose romantic and sexual experience is out of step with 95% of the people my age doesn't help either. This fact puts me in a different position entirely from the average single person my age who knows what being with someone feels like. I'm in a very unique category.

People who have been with someone romantically CANNOT imagine what it is like to be my age and just starting out. I find it INCREDIBLY offensive when they attempt to relate. They really have no idea, so I'd rather they just admit that they can't understand how this must feel for me. I'd appreciate that much more. I have no prior romantic experience from which to draw, so yes, most people will not understand how that feels.

Thing is, people are totally full of bull***t when it comes to the reality of relationships - which is, IMO, that they're almost entirely coincidence and lucky chance.

Sure, like Poker, you can influence those chances. But it's still chance at the end of the day.

You must essentially win the lottery and bump into the girl of your dreams at the right time, in the right place, when you're both single, she has to reciprocate the attraction, you have to both be in the right mood...

How often does that happen?

The other old chestnut, "Work on yourself.", usually said with a deep furrowing of the brow as though this is the most profound piece of advice ever...that's also a load of crap :p

Yeah sure, everyone can practice self-improvement. Personally, I think I'm still far too shy, and that's what I need to work on. But unless you don't bother at all to keep up your appearance or socialise, such advice is almost completely useless and patronising.

I work out every day, almost obsessively. I count my calories and hit my protein targets. I keep clean and well groomed and wear nice clothes whenever I can. I have a decent job, I have a pretty big base of friends (both male and female), I socialise frequently and I always make the effort to make people happy and chat to girls.

The result is I've been painfully single my whole life, the only difference for all that effort is that I just get told how surprising that is rather than why or how to deal with it :p

Meanwhile this guy at work swears all the time, has a bizarre and very morbid sense of humour, is shockingly blunt and rude to people and yet has kissed more girls in a month than I have in my entire life.

It sucks, but it's how it is. I wish I could offer help :(
 
Lonelyguy1, your happiness belongs to you and you decide what to do with it, and the fact that you genuinely want to share it with another person, sets you apart from most people, especially those who think they are in the VIP club because they have someone.
They are hypocrites and I know it is hard, but do not listen to them anymore, I think your goal is pure, even noble, it simply shows you have a kind heart and that you care about the other person's feelings. And I think that there are many women who look for that at least at one point during their lifetime.
 
TheSolitaryMan said:
Meanwhile this guy at work swears all the time, has a bizarre and very morbid sense of humour, is shockingly blunt and rude to people and yet has kissed more girls in a month than I have in my entire life.

hmm...then there would be more than luck on his side.

He doesn't seek out validation from others. He's opinionated. Women are drawn to him because he's not afraid to show personality (flaws and all). You on the other hand think working out, dressing well. and being social and polite are enough to get someone's attention. It's not; and I'm awkward too and probably a lot lower down the ladder in terms of attractiveness.

If you don't have a strong personality you're at a major disadvantage.
 

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