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Lonely because I like Trump
#31
(07-27-2017, 02:50 AM)Richard_39 Wrote:
(07-27-2017, 02:34 AM)SilentLife Wrote: Politics, like also religion, is a sensitive topic to many people. People are in what I would call big 'subcultures'/groups. If you have an opinion, some like it, while others hate it.

I find it easier not to have a 'firm point of view' in these matters. And keep a bit of a distance from these matters. After all, how much do we know about politics anyway? Lots of hidden stuff and backroom dealings. I don't feel like I could trust politicians anyway. They all have their own agendas.

My thoughts exactly.
Sure, you can sort through trash and find a can worth 5 cents that'll get you a little bit more than you expected, but at the end of the day, you're still sorting through trash, no matter what other people call it.
I don't like Trump, but he's not better or worse than the plethora came before him. And the vast majority of them don't have the people's interest at heart, because planet Earth would be a whole helluva lot better place to live in, on the whole.


I agree with the two above me mhmm. Good points. Ill share something i said elsewhere so that i hit the acceptable substance quota.

People without a side seem to get the most hate. Nothing bugs me more than that smug certainty that some people have that they are on a higher level of authority when it comes to morality and politics. Or the fake bs statements of compassion or sympathy for the people on the other side. Probably why i cant help myself when i see it.

My strongest opinion is probably on not having a strong opinion.
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#32
(07-27-2017, 03:37 AM)kamya Wrote:
(07-27-2017, 02:50 AM)Richard_39 Wrote:
(07-27-2017, 02:34 AM)SilentLife Wrote: Politics, like also religion, is a sensitive topic to many people. People are in what I would call big 'subcultures'/groups. If you have an opinion, some like it, while others hate it.

I find it easier not to have a 'firm point of view' in these matters. And keep a bit of a distance from these matters. After all, how much do we know about politics anyway? Lots of hidden stuff and backroom dealings. I don't feel like I could trust politicians anyway. They all have their own agendas.

My thoughts exactly.
Sure, you can sort through trash and find a can worth 5 cents that'll get you a little bit more than you expected, but at the end of the day, you're still sorting through trash, no matter what other people call it.
I don't like Trump, but he's not better or worse than the plethora came before him. And the vast majority of them don't have the people's interest at heart, because planet Earth would be a whole helluva lot better place to live in, on the whole.


I agree with the two above me mhmm. Good points. Ill share something i said elsewhere so that i hit the acceptable substance quota.

People without a side seem to get the most hate. Nothing bugs me more than that smug certainty that some people have that they are on a higher level of authority when it comes to morality and politics. Or the fake bs statements of compassion or sympathy for the people on the other side. Probably why i cant help myself when i see it.

My strongest opinion is probably on not having a strong opinion.




Get out of my mind.... those were my thoughts exactly (except that last sentence). :p
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#34
(07-27-2017, 12:34 PM)kamya Wrote: [quote pid='847412' dateline='1501090625']
I agree with the two above me mhmm. Good points. Ill share something i said elsewhere so that i hit the acceptable substance quota.

People without a side seem to get the most hate. Nothing bugs me more than that smug certainty that some people have that they are on a higher level of authority when it comes to morality and politics. Or the fake bs statements of compassion or sympathy for the people on the other side. Probably why i cant help myself when i see it.

My strongest opinion is probably on not having a strong opinion.

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See, I disagree on that part, in the sense I don't think it has anything to do with the strenght of one's opinion.
I have nothing BUT strong opinions lol. I'm not much one to be plagued by wonders and doubts and what else, I feel very comfortable in what I think.
Where I think the real differenceis, and also a symptom of the problems we face in this time period of Earth; I'm NOT arrogant enough to think I'm always right, or to assume the man who has an utterly different opinion than mine is a moron, which seems to be growing into the default stance. My main place of predilection is facebook; when I see Trump supporters and "un-Trump supporters" (I don't know what to call them lol) duke it out, it's like kindergarden 101. I mean, I remain convince Donald Trump is an utter moron who can barely set foot in front of the other lol, but I RESPECT and appreciate the fact that someone else thinks entirely differently. And I'll enjoy hearing about it. Could that person let me in on a little known fact that might sway my opinion? But of course, you can never talk too much about something. As long as HE, on the other hand, is able to understand that I do not share his opinion, yet still not treat me like I'm a moron.

In short, I think it's a question of manners. That's something we pretty much shot in the 21st century. We decided somewhere along the line, that manners were no longer useful and we teach to our kids to be arrogant and mean kids. Then we're all shocked and surprised they turn into arrogant and mean adults lol. We forgot to teach them the art of Discourse. Which is a lost art. Hell, five minutes looking at political debate channels lets you see it plain as day, no one can discourse anymore without flipping off someone lol. People see it as a war.

That being said, not having a strong opinion, or no opinion at all, is also an opinion. In fact, I recall it was George Carlin's favorite stance Smile

Now go ahead. Take down my strong opinion Toungue
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#35
I think the key about opinions, debates, etc,... Well, there are various keys.

One thing is to actually KNOW something about the matter in hand. The problem with many people is that they have strong opinions, but don't actually know jack. They only believe in some rumours or propaganda somebody has told somewhere, and haven't checked, how trustworthy the source is.

Personally I think it is important to divide a line between what you actually do know and what you... just guess. I admit I don't know many things, but I refuse to believe what many people say, because I feel that what they say is contradicting and/or lacks depth.

Other issue is INSECURITY. People need to feel they feel to belong somewhere, and then emotionally defend their beliefs. This is why debates get heated and as Richard mentions, people lose manners. Because people believe that the matter of their opinions and views is a matter of life and death. But it is not. Opinion is not an 'identity' that you need to defend it till death. You can easily change your opinion if further evidence comes to the fore.

This is what I call an open mind. You are open to new opinions if these opinions have a stronger argument supporting it. Instead of just angrily refusing discussion.
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#36
(07-27-2017, 11:53 PM)Richard_39 Wrote:
(07-27-2017, 12:34 PM)kamya Wrote: [quote pid='847412' dateline='1501090625']
I agree with the two above me mhmm. Good points. Ill share something i said elsewhere so that i hit the acceptable substance quota.

People without a side seem to get the most hate. Nothing bugs me more than that smug certainty that some people have that they are on a higher level of authority when it comes to morality and politics. Or the fake bs statements of compassion or sympathy for the people on the other side. Probably why i cant help myself when i see it.

My strongest opinion is probably on not having a strong opinion.

See, I disagree on that part, in the sense I don't think it has anything to do with the strenght of one's opinion.
I have nothing BUT strong opinions lol. I'm not much one to be plagued by wonders and doubts and what else, I feel very comfortable in what I think.
Where I think the real differenceis, and also a symptom of the problems we face in this time period of Earth; I'm NOT arrogant enough to think I'm always right, or to assume the man who has an utterly different opinion than mine is a moron, which seems to be growing into the default stance. My main place of predilection is facebook; when I see Trump supporters and "un-Trump supporters" (I don't know what to call them lol) duke it out, it's like kindergarden 101. I mean, I remain convince Donald Trump is an utter moron who can barely set foot in front of the other lol, but I RESPECT and appreciate the fact that someone else thinks entirely differently. And I'll enjoy hearing about it. Could that person let me in on a little known fact that might sway my opinion? But of course, you can never talk too much about something. As long as HE, on the other hand, is able to understand that I do not share his opinion, yet still not treat me like I'm a moron.

In short, I think it's a question of manners. That's something we pretty much shot in the 21st century. We decided somewhere along the line, that manners were no longer useful and we teach to our kids to be arrogant and mean kids. Then we're all shocked and surprised they turn into arrogant and mean adults lol. We forgot to teach them the art of Discourse. Which is a lost art. Hell, five minutes looking at political debate channels lets you see it plain as day, no one can discourse anymore without flipping off someone lol. People see it as a war.

That being said, not having a strong opinion, or no opinion at all, is also an opinion. In fact, I recall it was George Carlin's favorite stance Smile

Now go ahead. Take down my strong opinion Toungue
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Nope. You're right imo. I agree with that.
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