I feel kinda mean typing this

[Estreen]

this is the part that puzzles me because they claim so much goodness.

Exactly.

The fruits of the knowledge of good and evil are at work here. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The goodness they think about themselves creates an imbalance that leads to being more wild.

A person who is just themself, not trying to be overly good or evil, will do as they please and harm none. A person who tries to be overly good or thinks of themself as overly good, will inevitably have to deal with equal amounts of evil.

And yeah it is kind of ridiculous to show off so much. It's like the sex ed / sensitivity teacher who has ridiculously huge boobs for someone who has to talk about that kind of stuff.

Lmao, gotta love irony.

I agree with you and RebeccaSarah; there's really no need to dress like that for church where you normally don't dress like that, but often the ones who "try too hard" are only into religion for their own self gain. Either they want power, money, or attention; they're not just there for God.

 

[EveWasFramed]

... its like... the church people are more wild then the regular people, this is the part that puzzles me ...

Ever considered unconscience (or even conscience) rebellion?
A lot of people, both male and female (of any age) are "forced" to participate in "religion" due to parents, society in general, etc. I'll leave out the label or "christian" for a moment. ANYONE in a situation that they may not really want to be in, will usually find SOME way to rebel against what they feel they can't (or shouldnt) change or control.
Ever hear the stereotype, "the preachers kids are the worst?"
lol, I've seen a few cases of this. No, I'm NOT suggesting it's true, but just that I have actually seen this more than a few times. It has to make you wonder....why was this the case? Could it be that they are the ones who are more than likely being forced to conform to what everyone else thinks they should be, and are more likely to rebel? I've always thought so.
Oppression brings out rebellion, plain and simple. I'm not suggesting that's a good thing, mind you - it depends on the circumstances.

I suppose I'm wondering is it them being "christian" or is it just them being HUMAN?

Remember, a rebel isn't an outsider - a rebel is one who is PART of the group, but rebels against it for their own reasons.

 

[Lonesome Crow]

True, and on that note I'd like to emphasize that God created one pair of tits and ass for Adam and not a whole harem of them alternating or otherwise. I'd like to know where king Solomon gets off having 300 wives.

The more the marrier???

I feel for the dude....can you imagine 300 wives nagg'in at ya and asking money and sex all the time?
I guess he needed a bouch of babies to go minding gold for him..IDK.

 

[Badjedidude]

Ever hear the stereotype, "the preachers kids are the worst?"
lol, I've seen a few cases of this. No, I'm NOT suggesting it's true, but just that I have actually seen this more than a few times. It has to make you wonder....why was this the case?

Haha that saying isn't a stereotype. I can say this because I am a preacher's kid...and I've known a whole lot of them as well. Now I have matured a bit and I'm actually holding to some of the morals and character traits I was taught as a child (loyalty, honesty, etc)....but back in the day I was a little ******* of a rebel.

I think Eve is right...it comes from being force-fed all of these beliefs...and the pressure to act on them. When you're the preacher's kid, EVERYONE expects you to be a model human being, without error and without sin. That's a LOT of pressure! And it's something that no kid can really put up with for long...so I think the natural reaction is to rebel against it, sometimes even going beyond the things that "normal" kids would do in rebellion.

I generally hid my dumb, rebellious actions behind the scenes to allow at least the appearance that I was a "good" kid...and it wasn't that hard to hide it. When everyone wants to believe that you're perfect, you only have to act half-perfect and their expectations fill in the rest.

Lol but at any rate...I think that saying is completely true.

----Steve

 

[EveWasFramed]

Is that why you steal people's shoes?? lol

 

[Badjedidude]

Is that why you steal people's shoes??

LOL yup.

----Steve

 

[Phaedron]

I think Eve is right...it comes from being force-fed all of these beliefs...and the pressure to act on them. When you're the preacher's kid, EVERYONE expects you to be a model human being, without error and without sin. That's a LOT of pressure! And it's something that no kid can really put up with for long...so I think the natural reaction is to rebel against it, sometimes even going beyond the things that "normal" kids would do in rebellion.

Yeah you and Eve got it down. I know I hit the nail on the head when I said that trying to be too good leads to mischief, but you guys did a great job driving it in. This is what I meant to say, but for some reason I can't always express myself right. So thank you both for making a better point of it.

 

[h i]

a lot of people who feel 'lost' turn to religion for 'saving'. through the years religion has changed to accept these people. but it seems now there are more 'lost' members, then 'saved'.

i remember being frustrated about being a virgin, and having people recommend attending local churches. not to worship, but to meet other members who may possibly be virgins due to religious customs. i took offense by this. as i was being told to fake, lie, spy, and scout, in a holy place for my own benefit.

as it was said before, in this topic, most of the members arent searching for god. I believe, they go because theyre forced, or to mingle with others in a 'safer' environment.

 

[SilentThinker]

ok, so I just went browsing the internet and decided to check out other forums, I wont name which one but I will say its a 'Christian' based one that I clicked on. I grew up attending Christian school and church occasionally. I believe in God. What I don't understand is... why are 'most' of the girls that claim to be Christian so much more......(how do i say this tactfully).... lol .........(thinking)...... I've found them to be more "desperate" in thier attempts at getting male attention. I think thats the best way I could have worded that.

I noticed it all throughout school, I noticed it in youthgroups growing up, I notice it in church services that the ones that claim the most about themself wear the least amount of clothing and act the wildest and most sexually playful in public. I was innocently browsing this other site and they had a button to click that said 'random member profile' so I clicked it.... and I get...... boobs. like what the heck? am I looking at porn? seriously..... I haven't seen in other profiles in normal chat circumstances as much skin as I see in church services or on Christian websites. Its really sad. it offends me more than seeing regular boobs because they are suposively upholding some image thats supposed to be like.... holy and .... modest..... and they wear the most low cut short skirts they can find like its a contest and no one ever tells them its inappropriate for a church service to wear a mini skirt with your thong chilin in the back because they don't want to offend anyone.

Its not all church women that are like this, there are ones that dress modestly with good taste and are still fashionable and look beautiful. (theres ones with really old fashioned style too/not anything i'd want to wear) I'm just a little tired of the unmodest dressing and extreme desperation that I find at these church functions. It makes me not want to attend. I haven't attended in months and haven't had the desire to. Last time I was surrounded by a group of "Christian" people was at a party held at my sisters house. All of these people were regular attenders at the church they had been attending for years and years, no one was a newcomer to the church. I felt more judged, more ridiculed, and more uneasy and self concious at this gathering than I do when I'm around a buncha average everyday people. It was as if it was a big contest to see who can get the most attention. Women were walking around with tops so low that you could see thier bras and one of them had a crusifix necklace and Jesus got stuck in her cleavage, like she was pulling him out, seriously lol. It makes me sad like, I don't think Jesus should get stuck in cleavage LOL.

The people at this party were so destructive of the house and so loud and obnoxious that neighbors came over to politely ask if we could be more quiet, of course that was a big joke to them, how rude! Also they got into a food fight pretty much wrecking the floors and carpeting for my sister to have to clean up later not to mention wasting the food she bought. It was such a mess and they didn't even help or offer to help clean it up. I've been to other parties before lotsa times and I've never seen such wild odd behaviors as those parties, these people just seem so much more rude and judgemental.

So anyway, this 'random member profile' that came up, I couldn't even see what she actually looked like. It was her nose down into her boobs with an extreme low cut top with her bra hanging out of it. like wtf. Theres a place for boobs to hang out, that shouldn't be one of those places in my opinion. LOL why is it easier and more fun to hang out with regular people than it is with 'most' (not all) religious people? I thought that people who knew Jesus's love are supposed to be more loving and more forgiving and more accepting and stuff like that? Why is it always the opposite? From my lifetime of experiences it has always been the opposite. After 10 years of attending Christian school I decided to give public school a try because I was having such a hard time with the Christian school kids bullying me, I was expecting public school to be worse but at least it'd be a new set of kids and maybe I could hide.

I was so shocked to find out that public school kids have better things to do then to find and single out someone for being painfully shy and slightly fat. If you leave them alone, they leave you alone. It was so cool. I was so shocked that I could actually go to school and not live in worry of getting cornered and beat up or spit on by lovely Christian school kids. lol it just pisses me off. I just don't understand the need for the big competition here. If you want to let your boobs hang out, let your boobs hang out but don't get Jesus stuck in your cleavage.

end rant

Christians are still people and it does not mean if they attend church,they are holy and perfect.If you expect them to be different from what they said the world,you are mistaken.

For the bully part,honestly speaking,there's nothing much about this part which I really hate.I was built like a bamboo and people would love to pick me as a target to bully.

If you complain to teachers,instead of sympathizing,they brush you away because in their mind,they have the "it is very normal".The best consolation I found is to talk to a friend about it.

It makes you more relieved in the way.