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honeybea

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Hi everyone, I'm new to this!
I go to a college where the general consensus seems to be that we (the students) are universally searching for a higher truth and expanding our minds with the likes of Foucault and Nietzsche. There is a certain air of superiority over the "brute masses" (I use this term with a fair deal of sarcasm, as I hope you can tell) that goes unspoken among us all. As I sat in class the other day, being beaten over the head with discussion and pompous intellectualism, I wondered: why, since I have been here, do I feel like even less of a person than when I left home telling myself that college would be better? Why have so many of my fellow cerebral knowledge-seekers gotten to the point where they left school to seek attention at mental health facilities or at home? Why is our counseling center backed up with appointments for at least two or three weeks into the future?
The answer, or so I hypothesize, goes far beyond this miserable place. My professors speak of a higher truth that the great thinkers (and by a very gratuitous extension, we the students) search for, one that takes them beyond the realm of the common man. I've written essays on this same idea, although this ideal that we are urged toward is hugely alienating. True scholars supposedly let everything else (read, social interaction) fall by the wayside. We are encouraged to follow the same path, which leaves us disconnected from one another and living in our own little worlds where the ideas don't quite connect and we end up feeling isolated from all that we know and the people we love. (I finally understand "The Allegory of the Cave" from The Republic.) It's a roller coaster that I desperately wish I never got onto, because you can never really leave it behind.
Many, if not all, of the people here at school did better than average on their SATs, were high up in their class rank, took AP classes... this may sound like smugness, but I really do not care for it. I feel a bit like we are puppets of the administration, or, if you wish me to sound a bit more paranoid and banal, our culture, to learn learn learn with no regard for the social connections that actually keep communities marginally intact. We are not superior to anyone because of our test scores or IQs, for in fact, we are not superior to anyone at all. People I have met "on the outside," away from this little bubble that is basically in an intellectual circle-jerk all the time, are a thousand times happier than the people here, who hold a veiled (or sometimes a very open) disdain for people without their "intellectual prowess."
I get that taking a harsh stand against rigorous higher education in the form I am trying to describe may be a bit controversial, but I ask you: do you feel the same way, or am I slipping off into crazy-land? I honestly can't tell these days.
 
Honestly? I think you're thinking too hard about stuff. Overanalyzing.

Just enjoy your life's experiences. *shrug* :p
 
honeysuckle I can see myself in the same position as you in 4 years or already even. Sorry I don't have much advice, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Yes there is something wrong with our culture, the only thing we can really do is strive to accomplish our goals and make something out of a bad situation *shrugs*
 
Badjedidude said:
Honestly? I think you're thinking too hard about stuff. Overanalyzing.

Just enjoy your life's experiences. *shrug* :p

The whole post was about realizing how their overanalyzing is making them disconnected. The culture they are in now and have been in has driven them to this intellectual cult of people who value knowledge over every thing. Im suspecting that this way of thinking, of overanalyzing, is what they are refering to in the sentence "It's a roller coaster that I desperately wish I never got onto, because you can never really leave it behind."

At the end of the next to last paragraph is seems like they want to be able to just sit back and enjoy things, because they noted that the people outside their intellectual culture are a thousand times happier.

Anyway, no idea what to tell you honeybea, except welcome to the forum.
 
hahahaaaaa...

I used to get kicked out of class becuase I used to tell some of my egotistic control freaks teachers they were fucken loosers.
Teaching me about theories and crap becuase they can't hang in the real world.
Can't apply thier teachings and theories in real life....:p

Knowlege is nice to have, any fucken morons can figure that out...However knowlege is not everything.
Applications and appropricate actions is also required to produce possitive results.

There are so many fields of experties a person can get into.
It's like playing a fucken vedio game. The more time and energy you spend on it, you'll simply be more knowlegeable about the game,
while a mathematical genius can totally be fucken clueless about the game becuase she/her lack of interest in such activities.

So what your trying to say is some well educated (academics) poeple lack social intelligents? They lack balance in thier lives.
Well fresia...evidently they can't be that fucken smart or using their fucken brain, if they can't figure out it's just their ego.
They lack a KISS in thier lives....KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID :p

There's the thing. I'm a recoverying alcoholic or addicts...Lots lots of intelligent people in recovery. Many will simply try to out smart the program.
It takes a very intelligent person to get away some of the honeysuckle we used to get with :p
The common theme...is alot of people don't apply thier intelligent or apply thier intelligent in a possitive or healthy manner.
Einstien was a cocain addict. Freud was a heroin addict. Every intelligent people frying thier fucken brains cells...that's really smart..man.lol

Henry Ford had less then a HS education but he was smart enough to hire people to do other technical thinking for him...such as enggineers, accountance, marketing....etc
 
I smell what you're steppin' in honeybea! Been there, done that...the 4 year university thing that actually takes 6-8 years on average to complete, sucks your bank account dry and makes you a debtor for the majority of what's suppose to be the best years of your life, and turns you into a brainwashed, socially backwards zombie when it comes to trying to relate to the REAL world! The REAL world doesn't appreciate it, trust me! My advice...get out NOW, before it's too late...life's too **** short! Be happy like everyone else! Atleast stay the hell away from the Ethics and Philosophy courses/profs! haha
 
Hi honeybea, I've been in academia almost all my adult life, except for a short stint as a computer programmer. Right now I'm trying to finish a thesis in philosophy. So I can completely understand what you're saying. I've felt the isolation and often wondered whether I've made a big mistake. But I think there is definitely a place in our society for the life of reflection you're talking about. Without it, there would be no science, no literature, no democracy, no laws, basically no civilisation. Does that mean that those who choose to pursue academic interests are better than other people? Of course not. In one sense, being an academic is a job just like any other job. The study you're doing now is preparation for that job, and it's not an easy path to take. Poverty, depression, isolation... these are things I've had to deal with on a daily basis for the last five years. And as you point out, a lot of students have to go through the same thing. So why bother? Well, a part of you has to love the idea of what you're doing - the idea of re-evaluating everything that you were brought up to believe, of learning new ways of seeing things that you're never going to discover just by watching tv, of the chance to make a positive difference to the way society perceives itself. Most people can lead a happy life without ever having to worry about such things. The question is: will you be happy?

Philosophy doesn't have to be all about metaphysics and logic. You mentioned Foucault and Nietzsche - for them, philosophy was all about engaging practically with the world. Personally I'm interested in the work of Jürgen Habermas and Axel Honneth. My supervisor, for example, is taking Honneth's "theory of recognition", which is about the importance of interpersonal relations to a person's integrity of self, and applying it to the role of work in our society. Like Honneth, he takes both a theoretical and empirical approach, looking at the incidence of mental illness in certain industries, looking at changes in the flexibility of work hours, and things of this sort. There you have an urgent and very practical application of a philosophical theory to the way we live. There are plenty of examples of this - so you don't have to be stuck in an ivory tower if you don't want to be. Good luck, and feel free to get in touch if you want to talk about this further.
 
Hey,

I know exactly where you're coming from and have too often found myself assuming I'm the crazy one in society as well.

Essentially being intellectual has always been a lonely field to play with. It's the idea, as you said, that colleges tell us to follow our own path and question the establishment (to make improvements, I assume). However, what happens when you get out in r/l and find that everything you've been "prepared" for has been a complete and absolute (I stick to thinking it was positive intentions, still) manipulation? You're useless!

It seems the rest of the world, that isn't "educated", is intimidated (which transfers to anger and resentment very quickly)...Therefore isolates the person that is not only 'different' or 'in a world of their own', but has made that people who are not as "educated" (truly education is a bitter basing on finding the smart ones to control, regardless of their needs) have all the control. Sure, "majority rules", as they say...what happens when the majority is completely idiotic? I'd say America, and I'm sure I'll get someone messing with my taxes now...:D

But...who determines intelligence, anyway? The human race used to think the world was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. I don't truly know if it does or doesn't...as I don't believe a **** thing unless I see, feel and believe for myself.

Perhaps those who are apt to change and can recognize that everything is always changing, not to resist but understand-maybe they're the smart ones. I don't find "history buffs" particularly intelligent...Jeopardy whiz's or scientists making the new Viagra or hair growth medicines...are these really what we've resorted to? I'm sorry but no wonder I've got to go to therapy, I'd indefinitely given up on the human race by now.

Anyway, I'm very glad I stumbled upon your post, it's made my day much much brighter.

-yankee in the south:club:

 
It really depends on what you consider the the experience of life to be....human connections and social culture or seeking knowledge/truth/etc. I suppose a balance of both would be ideal but that rarely happens.

Knowledge...seeking it, trying to understand it or even just thinking about it...is isolating and to some extent pointless....it's like getting on a Ferris wheel....you can analyse for hours who it works and why Human's enjoy it, what they get out of it and perhaps come to some conclusions....or you could just get on....not care why you enjoy it.....and simply enjoy it.
 

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