What If...

[Despicable Me]

The answers to a very simple question on this thread are tremendously funny. Lots and lots of words. And lots again. My o my- people on a mission. Thé op asked a very simple, dreamlike question. He did not post an add. And to be frank : it was a dream like question and not meant to provoke a socio-economical-politico-fundamental-anti/pro- capitalistic/socialist study of pseudo- intellectual blabla. Well, at least I did not read all this in thé op's thread. Gosh...some are really on a mission hère, aren't they?

Again, another very disrespectful post... What is it about you people? What makes you think you have any right to tell us we're boring?
OP, me, and mickey were having a delightful conversation about the politics/ideologies behind the need for such a community. I thought it was wonderful conversation. I'm still very interested to hear more about what the other two have to say.
Maybe some of you are bored, if so then why not find another topic that might interest you, eh? You don't need to come here and tell us we bored you. That is not productive conversation.

 

[h3donist]

Can I put my name down for village idiot? I maybe a little overqualified...

 

[quintus 2]

The answers to a very simple question on this thread are tremendously funny. Lots and lots of words. And lots again. My o my- people on a mission. Thé op asked a very simple, dreamlike question. He did not post an add. And to be frank : it was a dream like question and not meant to provoke a socio-economical-politico-fundamental-anti/pro- capitalistic/socialist study of pseudo- intellectual blabla. Well, at least I did not read all this in thé op's thread. Gosh...some are really on a mission hère, aren't they?

Again, another very disrespectful post... What is it about you people? What makes you think you have any right to tell us we're boring?
OP, me, and mickey were having a delightful conversation about the politics/ideologies behind the need for such a community. I thought it was wonderful conversation. I'm still very interested to hear more about what the other two have to say.
Maybe some of you are bored, if so then why not find another topic that might interest you, eh? You don't need to come here and tell us we bored you. That is not productive conversation.

I apologize. Really. Right now I don't feel intellectually
qualified to join the discussion anymore. Really. I promise: I'll leave you to your delightful discussion without my idiotic, primitive and totally inadéquate interference. Promised. And I'm glad to know that the world is still in the hands of superior human beings ,able to manage it all.

 

[TheRealCallie]

Again, another very disrespectful post... What is it about you people? What makes you think you have any right to tell us we're boring?
OP, me, and mickey were having a delightful conversation about the politics/ideologies behind the need for such a community. I thought it was wonderful conversation. I'm still very interested to hear more about what the other two have to say.
Maybe some of you are bored, if so then why not find another topic that might interest you, eh? You don't need to come here and tell us we bored you. That is not productive conversation.

Neither is you replying to it.

Also, everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if you don't like it.

 

[mickey]

The word "pseudo-intellectual" is a 1960s and older codeword that means: "I'm not interested in certain things and therefore it's wrong for other people to be interested in them." It's also a reflexive lashing out when someone feels threatened by those who don't "go with the flow" (which, incidentally, is the unoficial national religion of my country, Canada). Those who don't "go with the flow" are experienced as a threat to the social order because they supposedly can deprive others of the benefit of social stability. But, gee whiz, I thought this was called "A Lonely Life Forums" and intended for people who DON'T fit into society smoothly and seamlessly. Am I wrong about that? Do we need another forum where the supposed intended membership of A Lonely Life Forums is actually welcome?

 

[vixie]

I'd be the fox that sneaks into the village to steal tasty morsels of food.

Also, the discussion about what would be necessary for this village to work is very interesting (though I'm not knowledgeable enough on these sort of things to participate in it). It's nice to see people scratching under the surface to make for an interesting discussion. I can't see why anyone would have a problem with that; if there is anyone who doesn't care for that they can skip past those posts and just stick to the more straight-to-the-subject topic at hand. This is a forum for discussion after all and it makes it a more friendly and interesting place when we as a community allow those discussions to take place, no?

 

[hugswithtrees]

I'd be the fox that sneaks into the village to steal tasty morsels of food.

Also, the discussion about what would be necessary for this village to work is very interesting (though I'm not knowledgeable enough on these sort of things to participate in it). It's nice to see people scratching under the surface to make for an interesting discussion. I can't see why anyone would have a problem with that; if there is anyone who doesn't care for that they can skip past those posts and just stick to the more straight-to-the-subject topic at hand. This is a forum for discussion after all and it makes it a more friendly and interesting place when we as a community allow those discussions to take place, no?

Fox- Thank you!!!

I would love to discuss practical things involved with this, maybe in a different thread. If I do and you feel the need to turn it into a pissing match, consider sending someone a private message instead of inserting a bunch of disrespectful comments and meaningless sophistic babbling

I would love to discuss my own plans and hear about others, especially in this area of thought... uh, well like ecology and the growing home-agriculture anti-monsanto style ideal of food production and energy self-sufficiency (and if you have nothing nice to say... )
That is, I'd like to hear positive things, not complaints about impossible logistics from people who aren't willing to make an effort and evidently aren't even interested.

 

[AmytheTemperamental]

Can I put my name down for village idiot? I maybe a little overqualified...

No way. You must provide the soothing tunes

 

[Despicable Me]

Callie, I don't know what to say to you. There's a pretty obvious difference, and a huge one at that, between coming into a topic just to tell people they are boring and actually participating in discussion by providing an opinion.

You kind of know just the right thing to say to make me feel excluded, lonely, and rejected. So thanks for that.
I opened up and look what it got me... People calling me boring and annoying and tell me I have no right to defend myself. That's just great, you know. On a forum for lonely people, it's good to know that there's still plenty of people willing to reject everyone else for being different.

The word "pseudo-intellectual" is a 1960s and older codeword that means: "I'm not interested in certain things and therefore it's wrong for other people to be interested in them." It's also a reflexive lashing out when someone feels threatened by those who don't "go with the flow" (which, incidentally, is the unoficial national religion of my country, Canada). Those who don't "go with the flow" are experienced as a threat to the social order because they supposedly can deprive others of the benefit of social stability. But, gee whiz, I thought this was called "A Lonely Life Forums" and intended for people who DON'T fit into society smoothly and seamlessly. Am I wrong about that? Do we need another forum where the supposed intended membership of A Lonely Life Forums is actually welcome?

Mickey gets it.

Also, the discussion about what would be necessary for this village to work is very interesting (though I'm not knowledgeable enough on these sort of things to participate in it). It's nice to see people scratching under the surface to make for an interesting discussion. I can't see why anyone would have a problem with that; if there is anyone who doesn't care for that they can skip past those posts and just stick to the more straight-to-the-subject topic at hand. This is a forum for discussion after all and it makes it a more friendly and interesting place when we as a community allow those discussions to take place, no?

And fox does, too.

Thank you both for making me feel not so excluded/rejected. I think the damage has been done, though. I'm going to shrink back into my shell now. Why bother...

P.S. This is exactly why such a community would never work until society itself is changed. Anyone seen as 'different' is not welcome in what is supposedly an open community. The Amish have the same problem. The Rojava have that problem. Any community which tries has this problem.

 

[mickey]

All social things are evil. It's that simple. That's why, when you form any group of people, things are going to go all to hell sooner or later. The fact that things have gone all to hell on a forum for the excluded, who supposedly know better, is proof that human groups just don't work.

 

[Raven22]

*yawn* Did i fall asleep again!

 

[there is no hope]

If I created a small village in the countryside for people like us, in a lush meadow surrounded by wilderness, but only 20 minutes from a good sized town; and I built a nice cozy little home to each village resident's own personal specifications and liking, and every night, we gathered round a small bonfire for a potluck dinner all the village was invited to, but no one obligated to join in; we just chose to live amongst thoughtful, sensitive folks, young and old, and share our living story of Life together, would you ever consider becoming part of our community?

The flipside of this would be if such an arrangement becomes mandatory, and introverts are coerced (or "very strongly encouraged") to stay in their sectors where they are neutralized.

A full answer to this post scratches some personal bugbears but in short - I don't see why I need the formality of a village to be alone, since I'm already by and large alone and I like being close to my family.

Also 100 years ago or so, the early Communists experimented with communal dining, because yanno Socialist Principles. Personally I don't see the big deal, and invites to dinner are a pretty common thing even among non-family. I'm not invited but then I usually don't ask.

I don't see a reason why such an arrangement needs to be limited to people like me, though. If a whole city were composed of people like me, it would be a paranoid mess. Worse than that though is being grouped with people who I don't like, and just because someone is introverted/extroverted (a distinction I believe to be bullshit anyway but ymmv), doesn't mean that I'm going to like them.

 

[TheRealCallie]

You kind of know just the right thing to say to make me feel excluded, lonely, and rejected. So thanks for that.
I opened up and look what it got me... People calling me boring and annoying and tell me I have no right to defend myself. That's just great, you know. On a forum for lonely people, it's good to know that there's still plenty of people willing to reject everyone else for being different.

If you feel lonely, excluded or rejected, it's not because of what I said. It's because of how you chose to interpret it.
There will ALWAYS be people who reject you (generalized you), no matter where you are. Not everyone is going to like you or find what you say interesting, even on a lonely forum. I'm not even sure why you think it would, people here are still people. Should people pretend to like everything everyone says just because of this being a place where people are lonely?

No one said you were boring in this thread or anywhere else, so stop seeing things that aren't there. Someone said someone else's (as in, not yours) post put them to sleep. Another said that all the words and going into detail about something that was "dreamlike" wasn't necessary. But no one said YOU were boring. Annoying wasn't mentioned either. Perhaps it was implied, but I took it as meaning not necessary.

 

[Sci-Fi]

Knock it off and stick to the original topic. If you can't then just don't post, let the people who want to engage in the OP's original topic have their discussions without messing it up. Show some respect for others.

 

[constant stranger]

I'm attracted to the hypothetical village. I like the idea of a community of people cooperating and sharing in the common goodness.

However, I'm wary of the effect generated by a mindset that seems to be looking for disputes. Bad enough that social friction occurs unintentionally, without wishing for it.

Just meaning well and being willing to walk in someone else's shoes makes all the difference.

 

[Arachne]

If I created a small village in the countryside for people like us, in a lush meadow surrounded by wilderness, but only 20 minutes from a good sized town; and I built a nice cozy little home to each village resident's own personal specifications and liking, and every night, we gathered round a small bonfire for a potluck dinner all the village was invited to, but no one obligated to join in; we just chose to live amongst thoughtful, sensitive folks, young and old, and share our living story of Life together, would you ever consider becoming part of our community?

Absolutely sign me up..I would engage the other people as that would be a unique and learning experience. Sure I would be shy at first but to find like minded people lonely or willing to take a chance would be lovely. Only downside would be any disputes and people with their own agenda. But if I could wave my magical wand and that was not a obstacle it would be a utopia to me.. Bright Blessings ^.^

 

[SapphicDreams]

The question is not "can we?" but "would we?"

"Have we decided closeness is too inconvenient, and that convenience is worth the pain of loneliness?"

The pessimistic side of this desire is we can't, impossible, unacceptable. That's not the point of theory, it's about the "what if?" Dreams don't come with limits, desires don't care about possibility. Do you dream of change? Of being through with alone, into the world of "together"? Would you take that step? Do you want it? Or are we alone on that too? Maybe we can't because we don't want to more than others don't want us to. Maybe we're not dreaming hard enough, wanting it enough. But what if we started to, then suddenly could? Would we?

 

[gabriel20]

Sounds like an amazing place! Forgive me for being just a simple minded,old person,,but surely a place such as this,with a population of just unhappy,lost,lonely,people, with social anxiety, and other related medical condition's, nobody would actually talk or communicate with each other,and eventually, everybody would die off,due to lack of communication, social interaction, and lack of people pairing off to have children?

And surely London tried to create a place like this,in 1247,for people who didn't fit into mainstream Society, and anybody "different", was labeled, and " sent" to such a place! It was called, Bethlem Royal Hospital,also known as "Bedlam"!

(Sorry to rain on your parade,Arachne)! Rain is good for beautiful English rose's!

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/broughttolife/techniques/bethlemroyalhospital.aspx

 

[there is no hope]

To be fair I had the same idea, create my own small village, where I can be grand poohbah and dictate the rules. I don't think a lot of people would like to be there however. I might be tooting my own horn here, but I'd probably do better as grand poobah than most people.

A fact often forgotten by totalitarian societies (which is what we live in, or at least most of us) is that the collective consciousness is not a god, and at some point reality must set in.

 

[Stonely]

Instead of creating a small village, why not just make another website like A Lonely Life?