is it wrong to kill yourself if you have nobody ? nobody whatsoever ?

[terryjw84]

lonely and suicidal, i have a couple methods, anybody else feel what is the point if you have nobody ? no family (multiple bereavements), no friends (they dropped me when mental health got worse), no ambitions no goals, just here

 

[Walnut]

I’m not sure how to respond to this. I don’t have anyone either. I’m sorry you are feeling like this. I hope you can find a way to brighten your mood.

 

[Unsigned]

I do think it is wrong in all but the most extreme circumstances.
I hope things can start turning around for you.

 

[okidoke]

“Wrong” isn’t the right word. I’ve seen many suicides. They’re all tragic. I honestly think life is a gift. We just have struggles and dealing with them can be extremely challenging. Living alone isn’t the bleakest thing, if one refocuses one’s view. It’s all about view. I can understand someone taking the ultimate choice if they were in chronically significant physical unbearable pain, but otherwise you can still enjoy natural pleasures of the world. Serious mental pain is also difficult but if you’re that far gone you’d not be so cognisant to be writing here, maybe. Yes, it can be “wrong” because we’re not looking from the right viewpoint. I know, I’ve been there too myself.

 

[TropicalStarfish]

Maybe it's just because you live in Scottland? It rains a lot, and beer is a part of the regular diet, no?



I don't really have any input aside from trying to inject some humor...

 

[RiceCrispie]

Sorry you feel bad. I’ve felt the same. This place is no walk in the park…
be kind to yourself when you feel this way. I think Knocking ourselves off ain’t really the answer. Loving yourself the way you feel is. We gotta accept all the parts of us. Being lonely is just another state we get into and who can say we made it? No one in their right minds
would choose to feel lonely and despair. We really need to be more kinder to oursevleves when we feel like this.

*Runs off to the fridge…

 

[ardour]

I don't consider it unethical particularly if you don't have close family left to hurt. However, you should think very hard on whether these problems are temporary and whether every avenue has been explored.

(Also, forum rules mean there's a limit to the range of responses.)

 

[RiceCrispie]

And we need to stop clinging to always thinking we shouldn’t feel lonely. That we should always be happy. I think judging ourselves for feeling a certain way actually gets in the way of our healing.

Don’t get rid of yourself tery, leave it alone, and as the Beatles says, let it be

 

[TheRealCallie]

no ambitions no goals

Why do you have no ambition or goals? (sorry, I work from the bottom up, so you may have said elsewhere and I haven't gotten to it yet)

Surely there is something in the world that you would like to have or work toward.

 

[terryjw84]

thanks for the suggestions peeps, it is so difficult to find a meaning and purpose i guess, sorry for being a debbie downer as i still new here, thanks for the well wishes too and suggestions, i will try to find a way forward, i feel so lost recently, ever since the pandemic i suppose,i tried to reach out to old friends to curb the loneliness, long term pals they were, and they ghosted , i feel so worthless, i guess i am no alone in that regard, at least we have a nice supportive community here, i appreciate you guys and gals having me, i feel i fit in somewhere for a change lol

 

[Sir Joseph]

lonely and suicidal, i have a couple methods, anybody else feel what is the point if you have nobody ? no family (multiple bereavements), no friends (they dropped me when mental health got worse), no ambitions no goals, just here

Right or wrong, I can respect one's desire to escape this life when subjected to difficult pain, suffering, or conditions that would limit one's physical or mental abilities. As a Christian though, I can't include loneliness as a viable justification.

According to the Bible, we were created by God for a purpose: first, to know and love him, and second, to learn how to love others. I see too many people accepting the latter but rejecting the former. Thus, they are always let down by people, either from experiencing too few relationships or unsatisfying ones.

While we often don't have control over our family, friends, or social environments, we do have free will and control over our foremost, innate need: a relationship with God, who has manifested himself through his son Jesus Christ and sacrificed himself out of love for us.

Regardless of our life's circumstances or deficiencies, we all have purpose. Of course we want to seek out relationships with others and there are many ways to do that. I'd suggest that a good Christian church with active small groups is a safe, welcoming place to start. Knowing and loving God though is a daily pursuit whether we interact with anyone else or not. And in the end, it's the only thing that can fully satisfy our relational needs.

 

[user 150037]

The Mind I use runs in MK, Bedford and Luton. But I could always send them an email and ask if they are willing to at least talk on phone or via email for anyone who interested.

 

[user 139760]

Right or wrong, I can respect one's desire to escape this life when subjected to difficult pain, suffering, or conditions that would limit one's physical or mental abilities. As a Christian though, I can't include loneliness as a viable justification.

According to the Bible, we were created by God for a purpose: first, to know and love him, and second, to learn how to love others. I see too many people accepting the latter but rejecting the former. Thus, they are always let down by people, either from experiencing too few relationships or unsatisfying ones.

While we often don't have control over our family, friends, or social environments, we do have free will and control over our foremost, innate need: a relationship with God, who has manifested himself through his son Jesus Christ and sacrificed himself out of love for us.

Regardless of our life's circumstances or deficiencies, we all have purpose. Of course we want to seek out relationships with others and there are many ways to do that. I'd suggest that a good Christian church with active small groups is a safe, welcoming place to start. Knowing and loving God though is a daily pursuit whether we interact with anyone else or not. And in the end, it's the only thing that can fully satisfy our relational needs.

If you're a real Christian, there is no viable justification;
"You shall not kill". Probably the most sacred law. Some would argue that if you kill yourself, you're violating that law. Thus going to hell.

Don't take it personally, man. I have my own fights with religion lol. I don't really take any of it very seriously. I think it fucks people up more than it helps them, but I do know of some that it helped. I just don't count myself among them. Thousands of times that I prayed with tears in my eyes and nothing happened, yet it's still ******* up everything years later.
I like to think I stayed mildly sane despite God's indifference, not because of it. I'm happy your fate drives you. I don't know what drives me. As time moves on I'm just getting more despondent to everything. It's like I'm numb, because I have to be.
Anyway, outlook of religion on suicide isn't positive. And it shouldn't be, ffs. Nobody stops to thibk about how they'll hurt people when they're gone.
Yet, does it really matter? People move on. Time passes. We all die in the end. What's the point?

 

[Cherubino]

there are people whose job is to provide love for people like you and me ... therapists, priests, nuns, escorts etc

 

[Sir Joseph]

If you're a real Christian, there is no viable justification;
"You shall not kill". Probably the most sacred law. Some would argue that if you kill yourself, you're violating that law. Thus going to hell.

Don't take it personally, man. I have my own fights with religion lol. I don't really take any of it very seriously. I think it fucks people up more than it helps them, but I do know of some that it helped. I just don't count myself among them. Thousands of times that I prayed with tears in my eyes and nothing happened, yet it's still ******* up everything years later.
I like to think I stayed mildly sane despite God's indifference, not because of it. I'm happy your fate drives you. I don't know what drives me. As time moves on I'm just getting more despondent to everything. It's like I'm numb, because I have to be.
Anyway, outlook of religion on suicide isn't positive. And it shouldn't be, ffs. Nobody stops to thibk about how they'll hurt people when they're gone.
Yet, does it really matter? People move on. Time passes. We all die in the end. What's the point?

"If you're a real Christian, there is no viable justification; 'You shall not kill.'"

Just to clarify for anyone interested, the Bible's 6th commandment is often used to condemn all killing, including capital punishment, war, and self defense, but such is a misinterpretation. The original Hebrew scripture uses a specific word for murder (rasah) in this passage, thus rendering the commandment as "You shall not murder." This is consistent with other Bible accounts where God has clearly supported capital punishment, war, and self defense. In my view, suicide is less clear. There are Biblical arguments that could be made to condemn the act, but the 6th commandment would not be a good one.

"I have my own fights with religion lol. I don't really take any of it very seriously. I think it fucks people up more than it helps them..."

I agree that such is often the case. Whether it's an entire faith, a particular church, or specific individual, we see negative influences and actions destroying lives. But I might posit the phrase: "Don't throw out the baby with the bath water." In other words, false religion, churches, preachers, teachers, and followers will always be prevalent, but that doesn't negate truth and reality. Should we let 100 wrong or bad drugs stop us from taking one good/right one that's needed? No, the tough but prudent part of all things in this complicated world is to investigate and discern truth from lie, good from bad, right from wrong. Religion, being the most serious affair possible, warrants such diligence.

"Thousands of times that I prayed with tears in my eyes and nothing happened, yet it's still ******* up everything years later."

This is a common complaint from both believers and non-believers, and there are hundreds of books and sermons addressing the subject. Like the existence of pain and suffering in the world, there are Biblical, philosophical answers, but they don't negate pain or grief. For the believer though, they do help us understand and cope with it better, which brings me to your last, most important point.

"Yet, does it really matter? People move on. Time passes. We all die in the end. What's the point?"

In an evolutionary, Godless world, there is no point to life and no hope for the future. I don't understand why anyone would choose to embrace such a depressing view - especially when it goes against empirical evidence otherwise. God's existence and glory is apparent all around us in the designed world and amazing universe. And his interest and love for us is recorded in a book unlike any other in human history.

As a Christian, I take immense comfort in knowing that the challenges and deficiencies I face in this life are all temporary and insignificant compared to the glorious new body, world, and eternal life that lies ahead. The point of my life here and now is to not only shape my character and grow my soul in preparation for the real life to come, but to share the gospel message of Jesus Christ so that others can also have assured salvation, hope, peace, and eternal love. That's a purpose worth pursuing and living for.