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Unix said:
Im quitting porn. It isn't easy at all, but is very beneficial, just considering the time gained from quitting Masturbartion. But this has nothing to do with sex. To be honest, I have come to believe that being addicted to porn has nothing to do with sex and love.

Is one of the worst dependance you can have, almost comparable to drugs. As I was a teenager and I laughed my ass off those who warned people about porn I have never thought that I would have to quit it. When you do, you gain a completely different world perspective. You have more energy, more sex drive and a way easier time to deal with depression. 

I want love and affection, but I seem to be unable to obtain it. I want sex as well. I'm inexperienced and shy when it comes to touching the female body. I can't think of another way to solve this problem. Experience, right?

As I was able to rewire my brain almost completely, I can see that all these "it must be special" are bullshits from people that can't imagine, becaus they have never had those problems, what is to be like that.

I ain't a virgin anymore, and I'm happy with it. It wasn't special, it wasn't that good. But it wasn't a big deal. I almost... Discovered how easy is sex and getting physical with a women. 

If you are a 20+ virgin with self esteem issues, do not waste your time waiting for someone that never comes. You are letting go one of the best things about life. If you are lucky enough to bang someone you know is awesome! If not, find a way to get out of the infinite cycle

Great response. 

I don't agree with all of it but with alot i do.

Porn definitely does not have anything to do with sex and love. And it is like drugs. Did you know porn lights up the same areas of the brain as cocaine use does? It's simply a pleasure seeking addiction to try and get away from whatever you're trying to get away from. Quitting porn is very tough, i know that first hand too. It's very good to read that you're trying, good luck with it!

I'm in my 20's and a virgin. To me sex seems like an extension of love. Sex without love to me seems like porn. Aimless pleasure seeking. That's where we disagree.

Either way good luck on your journey dude.
 
Unix said:
Dunno, sounds like something out from a bad romantic movie :p if I were to fill one hour I would take her to something fun, like a laser game xD ain't really the restaurant type though.

Once they kicked me and my friends because we were making too much noise ahaha

Yeah probably my age think I'd be too knackered after an hour of lazers*Oh to be young again*😁
 
Unix said:
If you are a 20+ virgin with self esteem issues, do not waste your time waiting for someone that never comes. You are letting go one of the best things about life. If you are lucky enough to bang someone you know is awesome! If not, find a way to get out of the infinite cycle

Or here's some better advice for everyone:

Stop putting so much weight on sex alone. Sex is a supplement to love; without the core of it, it's probably the most superficial thing in the world.

Any woman actually worth being with won't give two shits if you're still a virgin or not, and any friend worth having won't judge you for it either, whatever the circumstance.
 
Enpatsu No Shakuga said:
Any woman actually worth being with won't give two shits if you're still a virgin or not, and any friend worth having won't judge you for it either, whatever the circumstance.

That depends. Past the age of 28 or so virginity, along with a lack of relationship experience will be big red flag for many.  At my age it's cancer. No point in pretending otherwise.
 
ardour said:
Enpatsu No Shakuga said:
Any woman actually worth being with won't give two shits if you're still a virgin or not, and any friend worth having won't judge you for it either, whatever the circumstance.

That depends. Past the age of 28 or so virginity, along with a lack of relationship experience will be  big red flag for many.  At my age it's cancer. No point in pretending otherwise.

You need to stop with the incel mindset, seriously.
 
I'm inclined to believe ardour has a point. You're different if you're still a virgin after 28, and different always rings alarm bells. Sort of how we're wired. Now how big of a hindrance it is, that's another discussion.
 
Hazed said:
I'm inclined to believe ardour has a point. You're different if you're still a virgin after 28, and different always rings alarm bells. Sort of how we're wired. Now how big of a hindrance it is, that's another discussion.

Only to people who don't matter.
 
Enpatsu No Shakugan said:
Hazed said:
I'm inclined to believe ardour has a point. You're different if you're still a virgin after 28, and different always rings alarm bells. Sort of how we're wired. Now how big of a hindrance it is, that's another discussion.

Only to people who don't matteen
Enpatsu put me on ignore for no reason while talking, so guys, do not take advices from people that have only online relationships, and that are unable to keep them
 
Unix said:
Enpatsu No Shakugan said:
Hazed said:
I'm inclined to believe ardour has a point. You're different if you're still a virgin after 28, and different always rings alarm bells. Sort of how we're wired. Now how big of a hindrance it is, that's another discussion.

Only to people who don't matteen
Enpatsu put me on ignore for no reason while talking, so guys, do not take advices from people that have only online relationships, and that are unable to keep them

Right; incels who blame women for all their relationship problems, and who view them only as an opportunity to get their dicks wet, aren't worth my time. And who are so desperate to prove how 'nice' they are, they have to post it publicly to people who don't care with no context, just to further fuel their own delusions.

So online relationships are worse than having to pay someone to lose your virginity, which is apparently the most important thing ever, and never having any kind of real relationship at all? Right. :rolleyes:
 
Enpatsu No Shakugan said:
Right; incels who blame women for all their relationship problems, and who view them only as an opportunity to get their dicks wet, aren't worth my time. And who are so desperate to prove how 'nice' they are, they have to post it publicly to people who don't care with no context, just to further fuel their own delusions.

So online relationships are worse than having to pay someone to lose your virginity, which is apparently the most important thing ever, and never having any kind of real relationship at all? Right. :rolleyes:

You're being very self-righteous here. When you're done white knighting maybe you could see the nuance you clearly missed.

Saying that virginity doesnt matter to "people who matter" is superficial. It should matter to people considering spending their lives with you. Its a small point, sure, but when you need to filter people out at the beginning, it stands out. Its a complex issue not solved by "lol fresia the ones who care about virginity'

We may be delusional to a degree sure, but dont go all holier than thou pretending youre not, thats disgusting, low, and frankly, very indicative of your own delusions.
 
Hazed said:
Enpatsu No Shakugan said:
Right; incels who blame women for all their relationship problems, and who view them only as an opportunity to get their dicks wet, aren't worth my time. And who are so desperate to prove how 'nice' they are, they have to post it publicly to people who don't care with no context, just to further fuel their own delusions.

So online relationships are worse than having to pay someone to lose your virginity, which is apparently the most important thing ever, and never having any kind of real relationship at all? Right. :rolleyes:

You're being very self-righteous here. When you're done white knighting maybe you could see the nuance you clearly missed.

Saying that virginity doesnt matter to "people who matter" is superficial. It should matter to people considering spending their lives with you. Its a small point, sure, but when you need to filter people out at the beginning, it stands out. Its a complex issue not solved by "lol fresia the ones who care about virginity'

We may be delusional to a degree sure, but dont go all holier than thou pretending youre not, thats disgusting, low, and frankly, very indicative of your own delusions.

Funny how I'm "white knighting" now simply because I don't like it when I have to listen to people blame anyone but themselves for their own problems. That's why I had no desire to keep on talking to the guy; I offered him tons of different solutions, but it's always the old tired fallback of bitching about how women are the real issue. Blah blah, again and again, not worth my time.
Like I haven't been on the same road as you guys, but don't listen to me, you're right. When I disagree with your tired mindset, go on and post here how dumb I am with no provocation (Ahem, Unix) to tell everyone how dumb my opinions are for going against wallowing in self-pity like the rest of you.
Women aren't to blame; you are. Learn that lesson and things might change.

But especially if you willingly want to choose to classify as an incel, there's your first problem. Good luck, because you're on a road to nowhere.
 
The most important thing ever is to connect and intimate with another human being so accepts you and validates you; having sexual relations is just a manifestation of that. Is this lack of validation that causes mental deterioration and low self-esteem. A big part of this phenomenon is not exactly the result of women behavior, but a combination of modern dating dynamics and lack of accountability from society in how they have abandoned men (even more than before) and leave them to their own luck. Then to ask why are men so bitter?
 
Xpendable said:
The most important thing ever is to connect and intimate with another human being so accepts you and validates you; having sexual relations is just a manifestation of that. Is this lack of validation that causes mental deterioration and low self-esteem. A big part of this phenomenon is not exactly the result of women behavior, but a combination of modern dating dynamics and lack of accountability from society in how they have abandoned men (even more than before) and leave them to their own luck. Then to ask why are men so bitter?

I've said it a hundred times how broken the system is. I know exactly why men are so bitter, why women are so overly cautious, etc. Been there, done that.

But blaming it alone without making any real actions to fix it or yourself... well, it's not going to create anything than just more circular bitterness. Literally the last thing these guys need is an echochamber further hammering in how bitter they and the rest of them are.
 
You're spamming a label because it makes you seem superior. The defining characteristic of Incels is that they want to remove human rights from women.

I've heard a number of mature reasonable sounding women admit that they'd have "concerns" about virginity and what it might indicate. It's not at all uncommon to think this.
 
Enpatsu No Shakugan said:
Xpendable said:
The most important thing ever is to connect and intimate with another human being so accepts you and validates you; having sexual relations is just a manifestation of that. Is this lack of validation that causes mental deterioration and low self-esteem. A big part of this phenomenon is not exactly the result of women behavior, but a combination of modern dating dynamics and lack of accountability from society in how they have abandoned men (even more than before) and leave them to their own luck. Then to ask why are men so bitter?

I've said it a hundred times how broken the system is. I know exactly why men are so bitter, why women are so overly cautious, etc. Been there, done that.

But blaming it alone without making any real actions to fix it or yourself... well, it's not going to create anything than just more circular bitterness. Literally the last thing these guys need is an echochamber further hammering in how bitter they and the rest of t

Sorry, haven't read all the posts. You are also assuming these people aren't already improving without knowing them and also making the mistake of beliving only mentally healthy people are given love; which is demonstrably false.


ardour said:
The defining characteristic of Incels is that they want to remove human rights from women.

You actually believe this or are just quoting?
 
Lol it almost seems to deal with a wall. I have never blamed women and never will. I have come out with an extreme solution to solve my problems.
Also, removing rights from women... Cmon. You got some serious problems
 
Xpendable said:
ardour said:
The defining characteristic of Incels is that they want to remove human rights from women.

You actually believe this or are just quoting?

The thing is I don't know why anyone would categorize themselves as an incel unless they agreed with the absurd 'solutions' to male celibacy incels are notorious for. You could simply call yourself ForeverAlone, MGTOW, or something else.


Unix said:
Also, removing rights from women... Cmon. You got some serious problems

No-one's advocating that.

I can accept my own choices are a big reason for my situation. However the dating dynamics  don't exactly work in our interests either (particularly not for your average shy socially awkward man).
 
The woman you lose your v-card to is going to be permanently burned into the back of your brain (at least by name, if nothing else) for the rest of your **** life. Do you want that person to be an escort??

Make it mean something to you, man...even if you have to start off with: "I was young, dumb, and in love..." that's better than: "I took a high risk and went with an escort."

Not all dudes with big dicks are awesome in bed, either.
Okay yeah, they can fresia, and they can fresia for a while.
But a lot of the **** time, they don't really typically know how to touch a woman,
and can kind of think that just because they have a big dick that they're doing everything right.

What I mean is, there's a difference between aggressive sex, and emotionally meaningful sex.

Part of the confusion and grey area we get as men comes out from the general consensus we get from women which is that they kind of need a bit of both but at different times and for different reasons. At least, that's what I've experienced in my personal life and with women I've talked to about sex and been with sexually.

I'm actually really not that sexually active and probably have a lower libido, BUT, sex is no longer a topic I have troubles or insecurities discussing, either.

You've also got the factor that (and this is the kicker:) different people are going to be into different things sexually, okay?? You can be a great sexual partner and totally never know it or never get recognition for it as a man simply just because you're having sex with a woman that has different kinks and fetishes than you do.

I can be sexually aggressive, but I typically prefer not to. It requires so much goddamned effort that it's nearly not even worth it for me. I actually have to be slightly (though not too much) inebriated in order to be able to be comfortable enough to take on that kind of a responsibility.

I honestly killed my performance anxiety issues and insecurities about size as a man (I'm between 5 and 6 inches) through group sex in my early 20's when I was drinking a lot and becoming a bit experimental. I found that to be an ironic experience, because I initially thought I'd hate it but, there's a primal aspect to it that under the right state can be very relaxing....though I suppose that's probably true of every sexual experience as well.

That's also half of how I developed an interest into BDSM, though I've...never really been able to totally find my place in the BDSM world...I'm not really cliche Dominant enough to call myself a "Dom" outside of having to default on something to give some sort of a direction or definition, but I'm also sure as ******* Hell not into being submissive or a slave, either.

I honestly prefer intimate sex. It means more to me. It's easy for people to be naked: as in, without clothes...but it's much, MUCH harder for people to be truly naked: That is, completely bearing their soul to another individual.

I've done monogamous and poly relationships both with girls I initially settled for but quickly fell head over heels for, and with girls that I was only predominately sexually attracted to but found that for some reason I actually enjoyed their company despite some personality differences. I try to be humbled by life and not look at the negative side of things despite my natural incentive to do so because I am inherently a pessimist.

I rationally settle for being single these days despite my desire to actually want to be with someone. I had to learn how to be independent because co-dependency proved to be a factor of variables that I could not manage, so since I can manage myself as an adult I chose to just take that on instead, figuring that at least if "I" fresia things up for myself, at least I can correct me,  and better me. That's very specifically a self thing with me though...I have a...complicated, painful life, to say the least...anyway:

The other factor you're going to have to deal with is:
Unfortunately, the world is full of an epic shitload of totally shallow people: Men and Women alike.
"fresia 'em..." don't listen to them.
It's easy to be shallow, simple, and stupid: Don't listen to or subscribe to that crap, because that's part of what's wrong with the world we live in.

Just_Be_You.
That's it man.

And if you land on the right girl, that likes you for you? Well, then that's the dream we all dream for as men, right?

As for sex?
Okay, so say you land on the right girl that likes you for you, but you don't have any sexual chemistry.
That can happen. It's actually not that uncommon. Chances are it amounts to a difference in perception. You two would both be incorrectly perceiving each other, rather than seeing each other as how the two of you actually are. THAT, is a very difficult and rather painful experience.

So what if you land on no girl at all, and how can you change that?
Have you ever considered that you might be "looking" in all the wrong places, and that your "types" aren't actually properly acclimated to you??
It's easy to be attracted to someone. Any ************ can be attracted, man or woman...
It's HARDER and MORE DIFFICULT however, to actually narrow down your attractions...

You've gotta separate what you want from what you need, and that can and will usually be quite difficult, perhaps at some times the most difficult decision making process that you will ever face. HOWEVER, all you have to do is be able to pull this specific thing off (separating your wants from your needs)
and that will entirely change how you live your life and think about things. (Hint: If you want to actually be happy in the long term: sacrifice the short term, and go with the needs. If you don't care about your future and you're more interested in what's in front of you right now, follow what you want).

I could blow this up way more than what I'm already unfortunately doing but I'm going to resign from it to spare everyone my plethora. Anyway, this is just the general outlook I have about the world of sex and dynamics from a standpoint of when I had no experience versus to how I understand things currently.
 

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