Medical Marijuana

[ledchick]

I am pro marijuana legalization or at the very least de criminalization.
Our prison systems are over run with people who had less than an ounce of weed on them. Then there are the pedophiles that got a slap on the wrist and put back out on the street and do more harm to the world than the pot smoker.
The stereotype that all pot smokers are lazy stupid do nothing fuckups, well that is simply pigieon holing all pot smokers into a small percentage of those that use their useage as an excuse to be that way. I personally know alot of smokers that are professionals, highranking people, people with PhDs, highly functioning, have great memories, etc. They are users and do not fit into the lazy, no good cant do a thing, or remember. Apart from the new information coming out on mj that states it is not doing the damage that previously it was thought it was. It is much akin to an anti-depressant, in that it coats the cells of our brain and affects the receptors and our uptakes receptors. Check out the test being done at UCLA and also there was a very interesting article in Time magazine a few years back about the whole manner in which mj affects the cell of our of brain and is not killing our brain cells, like alcohol does. We should be more worried about what meth is doing in our country that marijuana.
And if our government was smart they would legalize it, tax it and get our ass out of this depression. There are alot more pot smokers out there than what you think.
The people that need it medically should not be forced to suffer becuse of some fat overpaid self serving politicians lack of education or caring for his or hers constituants.

 

[vertigo]

Using drugs is a victimless crime.. as far as I am concerned, anything that is victimless should not be a crime.

I wouldn't say that exactly. I know what you're trying to get at with people being allowed to do whatever they want with their body/life (hopefully that's what you meant or somethin along those lines lol)

But the hard drugs leads to heavy addictions that take control of someones mind. If you have such a strong drive and the money is hard to come by you'll go quite far out of desperation to get the high, which by then is no longer a high but a necessity.

So the reason why drugs don't get decriminalized i think is more of a precaution of the after effects rather than you doing harm to yourself.

As for light drugs like weed, well personally i could care less if they're legal or not. I guess they don't do it because once you allow one thing, then soon it gets to the point of where do we draw the line. Also, they got enough problems with alcohol and its implications with drivers, etc.

 

[Brian]

they got enough problems with alcohol and its implications with drivers, etc.

I never understood the problem with drunk drivers.

Drunk driver. Bullet. No problem.

 

[frey12]

Alcohol is the gateway drug, Marijuana should be legal. The money gained from taxes would be superb, two we would be able to use hemp for who knows what.

 

[evanescencefan91]

i agree with ledchick

cannabis is the US's number one cash crop,

although doing drugs probably isn't a good answer to life's problems but there are a lot worse things one can do, such as violence, murder and theft.

i also think that the drug penalties in the country are also too severe

 

[Van Hooligan X]

*UK joke*

I'll stick to strawberry calpol for kids thank you veyr much, give lonesome crow my dose of the mary-juan-ana medicine

 

[Freya]

Van....LMFAO...Van-tastic...


BTW: I'm also for the legalization of Cannabis...both for medical & recreational use...

 

[Van Hooligan X]

Vantastic!

 

[SophiaGrace]

why do we need another substance to alter our mind in order to have fun?

Doesnt anyone know how to have fun sober? seriously people lol.

Oh and marijuana is psychologically addictive.

And the smoke from the roaches messes up your lungs.

And it puts you in an altered psychological state.

Again, what's so bad about being sober? :l

 

[wolfshadow]

My sentiments dovetail into the euthanasia debate; if cannabis is able to provide relief to someone in dire and terminal pain then yes, it should be readily available to patients who occupy that category.

As a streetdrug I'm uncertain. I smoked it for a little while when I was a teenager, but besides giggling fits and sending me straight to sleep, I never found it especially compelling.

The only drawback I remember was the occasional bout of paranioa but I never continued with it for long enough to discover if there were any other harmful side effects *although I once heard about a Professor who was reduced to reading "Roger Red Hat" and playing with alphabet bricks as a result of long term useage*.

 

[luciddisconnect]

why do we need another substance to alter our mind in order to have fun?

Doesnt anyone know how to have fun sober? seriously people lol.

Why are people so afraid to acknowledge that sobriety ain't all that it's cracked up to be. I mean, yes - it's good to be able to focus clearly on problems when they arise - no one should be stumbling around shitfaced on a Tuesday afternoon.

But on the other side of the spectrum, sober life gets really boring after a while. It's like never watching anything with a rating worse than PG-13. Yes, Casino Royale was fairly intense, but sometimes I want to go all out, say Oliver Stone's Natural Born Killers.

Every now and then, for me anyway, it's refreshing to experience the world from a different state of mind. I don't see anything wrong with that, so long as it doesn't become habitual.

 

[Chilly man]

Definately yes. What's wrong with doctors prescribing marijuana for applicable illnesses any more than the other controlled substances that they prescribe? If it helps patients it should be allowed.

 

[Happyfase]

Marijuana should be legalized, taxed and regulated. The illegal "drug" stigma attached to marijuana is what attracts a vast majority of it's users to begin with. It's ridiculous to lump it into the same category as heroin and crystal meth. Place similar, but perhaps stricter, restrictions on it as alcohol. It would remove the dangers of lacing (which I've never encountered anyways) and would save a lot of government resources. I imagine less people would drive high if it was legalized.

As for the dangers of people ruining their lives smoking weed. I can safely say I've seen many more of my friends ruin their lives through alcohol than marijuana. Look around. If you live in a similar area to me you'll see copious amounts of drunks, and no stoners. One might argue that that's because they're sitting at home doing nothing. Who cares? Plenty of my friends smoke recreationally on the weekend and lead extremely productive lives. Heck, my best friend deals, smokes and was just promoted to the general manager of the most successful < omitted > restaurant chain in Australia. And there's no evidence to suggest that more people will fall into an unproductive lifestyle if weed is legalized. If people want to smoke weed, they're going to, regardless of it's legal status. Why should responsible, recreational users be punished because some people can't control themselves?

 

[Skorian]

I am anti narcotics. That means "all" narcotics.

 

[Jack Kerouac]

why do we need another substance to alter our mind in order to have fun?

Why can't we use one to have fun?

Oh and marijuana is psychologically addictive.

It's not actually. Most people keep smoking it not because they are addicted but because 1) it is fun and 2) it can be a habit. A habit or something fun is much different than something that is psychologically addictive, which means you have a compulsion to do it mainly for irrational reasons outside of your conscious control.

I quit smoking cigarettes and THOSE are psychologically addictive. Pot isn't ANYTHING like that. Not even close.

And the smoke from the roaches messes up your lungs.

True. Eating McDonalds messes up your heart. Driving in the city gets you filled up with smog. Sitting around on computers hurts your eyes.

And it puts you in an altered psychological state.

So does praying, going to church, watching a movie, going to a concert, watching TV, etc. Should we ban all those too?

 

[Jack Kerouac]

But I can't say I know any actual recreational stoners that are very useful in life. From personal observation they're all pretty much fat and lazy and unmotivated as could be. And after working with so many of them, if I ran a business there's no way in hell I'd hire someone who smokes weed. I'd put out the cash for random, on-the-spot drug tests if I had to. Good luck getting them to try to do better than just scrape by...I'm not even exaggerating. It's incredibly depressing to see, especially when you realize how bad they bring down the guy they're working for, who hired them to try and give 'em a chance. In return, they silently say 'fresia you'.

I've even watched the metamorphosis a couple times. Formerly decent people start toking up and bam, they're lazy and useless.

Yeah, this is a load of crap. When I was heavily into pot smoking I was one of the top students of my class in a very competitive private school (which was lightyears above public schools I have seen), and I was also promoted at a job during that time much faster than other people who worked there.

I don't buy the 'gateway drug' speech people try to give. Weed might be harmless compared to meth or cocaine. The people involved with it are usually friendly enough and maybe they don't go out on massive crime sprees or whatever. But it's not like they do anything ELSE, either. Not that I've seen.

Pot is a gateway drug, and here's why: it's illegal and most kids are going to eventually try it anyways! The fact that so many people will try it, realize it's not the evil thing it's made out to be by authority figures, then they are more likely to try other things labeled as "destructive".

If pot was legal it wouldn't be the gateway drug it is now.

The fact that pot is illegal actually promotes hard drug use.

 

[Brian]

I am anti narcotics. That means "all" narcotics.

I like narcotics. They keep the psych patients zonked out for the long trip to Lewiston so they don't try to kill me or something.

why do we need another substance to alter our mind in order to have fun?

Why can't we use one to have fun?

I will admit to having tried marijuana once to make sure I was right about hating it. It pretty much reinforced my opinion of it. Talk about a worthless experience. I guess I'm missing whatever it is everyone thinks is so enjoyable about it. Sorry.

Yeah, this is a load of crap. When I was heavily into pot smoking I was one of the top students of my class in a very competitive private school (which was lightyears above public schools I have seen), and I was also promoted at a job during that time much faster than other people who worked there.

Hardly a load of crap; I'm not lying. Good for you if you did well for yourself while smoking...but I have yet to see it for myself. All I've seen is worthless pukes leeching off my best friend as his employees every time he tries to help them with more hours on a check or something. And god they never stop wining. I wish he was more of an ******* and would just fire them. I'd have done it a year ago and slept just fine, and then hired someone worthwhile the next morning. Not like there's any shortage of labor right now. He routinely gave us extra hours on our checks because he wanted us to keep trying hard and wanted us to succeed. They turned around and spit in his face with a guilt trip. I was the only one man enough to show up the next day and make sure I earned those hours. And guess what? Out of his ENTIRE PAYROLL, guess who the only sober ones were? Him and I. The rest? Stoners, drunks, or worse...both. fresia em.

Same goes for drunks, by the way. Don't think I'm accepting one for the other. I can't suffer a drunk, under any circumstances. I'd almost wager I would rather be around a stoner.

Pot is a gateway drug, and here's why: it's illegal and most kids are going to eventually try it anyways! The fact that so many people will try it, realize it's not the evil thing it's made out to be by authority figures, then they are more likely to try other things labeled as "destructive".

If pot was legal it wouldn't be the gateway drug it is now.

The fact that pot is illegal actually promotes hard drug use.

Well, maybe you're right there. I can see the logic behind it.

Given today's generation though, the one I'm stuck with and have firsthand experience with, and will continue to suffer amongst for the rest of my life, I don't think it'd change much. They are sufficiently lacking in brain power and common sense (which I don't think is so common anymore) as a general rule that I think they'll poison themselves with all the hard stuff regardless of anything else. But, good. Maybe someone should start lacing meth with pure battery acid, and they'd just kill themselves outright instead of drawing it out for years and years and making the rest of us pay for it. Maybe a slew of instant corpses on the news would teach people a lesson...not to mention clean up some otherwise appreciable communities.

I'll admit plain and simple that, outside of my skewed, opinionated view, maybe there's some people who can handle weed and be fine. Maybe there's even people who drink a fair bit and are alright human beings.

But having my mother's best friend and her son being worthless sack-of-honeysuckle leeches as well as stoners, and having been stuck in that house for...hell, at least five years, my opinion is biased. Having worked my ass off in to the dirt -every single day, sun or snow- for a boss who was more than fair, often to his own expense, and having my stoner co-workers (the couple who were not stoners were drunks; see below) cut corners at every opportunity and having the nerve to complain, my opinion is biased. Having my little sister relay to me stories of her friends' stoner hangers-on who do nothing unless they absolutely have to (oh, but they're totally 'chill' and 'cool'), and then encourage my little sister to lead such a lifestyle when she has so much going for her, my opinion is biased.

Having had a father and step-mother who, for a period of my childhood, were worthless drunks almost every night, and having a ******* worthless piece of honeysuckle bar (which really needs to burn down) right behind my house, my opinion is biased. Having seen first-hand the results of a drunk driver more times than I care for, and knowing I'll continue to see it for the rest of my professional life because people are too stupid to learn anything, my opinion is biased. In fact, on this point I am almost outraged to the point of blood lust.

(I know this thread isn't really about alcohol. But it's been mentioned, and while I'm listing reasons I hate people, I might as well throw it in because it is chief among them.)

I cannot bring myself to think otherwise, because I have not personally seen or experienced otherwise. No personal encounter with a stoner or a drunk has been a positive one in my life. None of these users I have met as an adult have been good people. If I could firebomb every distillery, bar, and marijuana crop in the nation, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I'd hit the drug labs too while I was at it and not bat an eye.

And for this, I suppose, I apologize; if only for the sake of presenting my viewpoint without turning the thread to flames.

 

[Jack Kerouac]

I will admit to having tried marijuana once to make sure I was right about hating it. It pretty much reinforced my opinion of it. Talk about a worthless experience. I guess I'm missing whatever it is everyone thinks is so enjoyable about it. Sorry.

A large amount of people do not get high the first time they try pot.

Hardly a load of crap; I'm not lying. Good for you if you did well for yourself while smoking...but I have yet to see it for myself. All I've seen is worthless pukes leeching off my best friend as his employees every time he tries to help them with more hours on a check or something. And god they never stop wining. I wish he was more of an ******* and would just fire them. I'd have done it a year ago and slept just fine, and then hired someone worthwhile the next morning. Not like there's any shortage of labor right now.

Same goes for drunks, by the way. Don't think I'm accepting one for the other. I can't suffer a drunk, under any circumstances. I'd almost wager I would rather be around a stoner.

Well I've seen many intelligent people smoke pot, so that's all the proof you need that your personal experiences don't generalize to the entire population.

And I drank many times a week while I was acing all my classes in college while double majoring and being in the honors program, and doing undergraduate research and all that. So your views of drunks are flawed as well.

I'll admit plain and simple that, outside of my skewed, opinionated view, maybe there's some people who can handle weed and be fine. Maybe there's even people who drink a fair bit and are alright human beings.

But having my mother's best friend and her son being worthless sack-of-honeysuckle leeches as well as stoners, and having been stuck in that house for...hell, at least five years, my opinion is biased. Having worked my ass off in to the dirt -every single day, sun or snow- for a boss who was more than fair, often to his own expense, and having my stoner co-workers (the couple who were not stoners were drunks; see below) cut corners at every opportunity and having the nerve to complain, my opinion is biased. Having my little sister relay to me stories of her friends' stoner hangers-on who do nothing unless they absolutely have to (oh, but they're totally 'chill' and 'cool'), and then encourage my little sister to lead such a lifestyle when she has so much going for her, my opinion is biased.

Having had a father and step-mother who, for a period of my childhood, were worthless drunks almost every night, and having a ******* worthless piece of honeysuckle bar (which really needs to burn down) right behind my house, my opinion is biased. Having seen first-hand the results of a drunk driver more times than I care for, and knowing I'll continue to see it for the rest of my professional life because people are too stupid to learn anything, my opinion is biased. In fact, on this point I am almost outraged to the point of blood lust.

I cannot bring myself to think otherwise, because I have not personally seen or experienced otherwise. No personal encounter with a stoner or a drunk has been a positive one in my life. None of these users I have met as an adult have been good people. If I could firebomb every distillery, bar, and marijuana crop in the nation, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I'd hit the drug labs too while I was at it and not bat an eye.

And for this, I suppose, I apologize; if only for the sake of presenting my viewpoint without turning the thread to flames.

Well you're only seeing negative examples. I know plenty of people who mess up their lives with drinking and drugs, and plenty who do them and do great things.

The only thing that has ever held me back in life is depression and anxiety. Something I had long before drug or alcohol use, and something that continues even though I have all but quit smoking pot for good tons of years ago.

And by the way, almost everyone cuts corners at work. That's pretty normal.

 

[Brian]

Well you're only seeing negative examples. I know plenty of people who mess up their lives with drinking and drugs, and plenty who do them and do great things.

I guess if spending your weekend looking like a ******* idiot, possibly destroying property, and bothering everyone around you is a 'great thing', then sure. Everyone around here does ******* awesome things.
I shall forever herald their mothers' wonderful contributions to society.

I judge a person's entire slate; not just the positive highlights. I suppose Ted Bundy probably did a couple great things. You know, besides the murdering.

Personally, I would be embarrassed and ashamed to drink in public. To me there would be no greater low. On a rare occasion I've tried to drink away my depression. I found it doesn't work.

And by the way, almost everyone cuts corners at work. That's pretty normal.

I've noticed. It's one thing to have a bad day, or accidentally miss something. But to knowingly, uncaringly slight your friend/employer (we were all pretty close knit...though I could care less what happens to any of them except the boss, the only decent individual there) on a day to day basis, and do your best to manipulate un-earned hours out of him that you know he will give you anyway even though he's not making any more than his workers, that's despicable. I would literally rather die. I would hang myself before doing that.

I guess expecting people to put forth honest effort is too much. I should lower my standards and I wouldn't be disappointed. Hopefully I can bring myself down to just expect people to be worthless, and then I'll be pleasantly surprised every once in a blue moon when somebody does something smart.


I come back to my Ocean of Piss metaphor. Society is a fermented Ocean of Piss, and those of us worth our salt are for some reason stuck swimming in it. There are occasional islands in the ocean, except to tread on them is to tread on human waste and writhing maggots. Every now and then a cruise ship floats by, pleasant music flowing from the decks, people splashing happily in the on-board pool and spa. But when you hail them and ask to be hoisted up for even a brief respite from the sea of urine, they pee on you.

This is the world, this is people. Nothing more, and often less.


I'm going to bed now. I'm depressed and the future is bleak.

Goodnight.

 

[Jack Kerouac]

I guess if spending your weekend looking like a ******* idiot, possibly destroying property, and bothering everyone around you is a 'great thing', then sure. Everyone around here does ******* awesome things.
I shall forever herald their mothers' wonderful contributions to society.

Um, OK. I got an undergraduate research project conducted, written, and published, while I was probably drinking 4 days a week on average, and getting As in 5 classes at the same time.

I judge a person's entire slate; not just the positive highlights. I suppose Ted Bundy probably did a couple great things. You know, besides the murdering.

Right, because drinking or smoking pot is comparible to murder.

Personally, I would be embarrassed and ashamed to drink in public. To me there would be no greater low. On a rare occasion I've tried to drink away my depression. I found it doesn't work.

Well then you're missing out on fun, meeting new people, and girls. I've had a lot of great times while drinking, and think your perspective is limiting you.

But you're right, drinking isn't a good way to get rid of depression really. Sometimes it helps me, sometimes not. I try to not drink just to cure depression. I drink for fun and for social reasons.

I've noticed. It's one thing to have a bad day, or accidentally miss something. But to knowingly, uncaringly slight your friend/employer (we were all pretty close knit...though I could care less what happens to any of them except the boss, the only decent individual there) on a day to day basis, and do your best to manipulate un-earned hours out of him that you know he will give you anyway even though he's not making any more than his workers, that's despicable. I would literally rather die. I would hang myself before doing that.

I guess expecting people to put forth honest effort is too much. I should lower my standards and I wouldn't be disappointed. Hopefully I can bring myself down to just expect people to be worthless, and then I'll be pleasantly surprised every once in a blue moon when somebody does something smart.

Well welcome to the real world. Half assing a job that you don't really like is pretty much the American way. It has nothing to do with alcohol or smoking pot though.