some of you guys are so neutral on this matter, thats why its been going on for so long if you want to have a good respectfull comunity you SHOULD say something and you SHOULD get involved in drama.
In general I agree with you but it's a long story.
Speaking of being "sick and tired" of things though...
...what I'm sick and tired of, are situations where there is an obvious bad actor - where there's
nothing ambiguous about who the aggressor is,
at all - and people get treated like the bad guy for sticking up for themselves, or pushing back against the aggressive party, just having enough of it.
We're supposed to report it, but it doesn't do much good when that report results in no action taken against the aggressor, who just does the same thing again, because they know full well that nothing will be done and they'll keep getting away with it. It's a pretty predictable pattern at this point. It's also hard to have faith in the reporting system when you see it NOT work, time and time again. Seems like the only thing that's actually disallowed, is self-defense, which people wouldn't have to do if the aggressors were dealt with, but that doesn't happen. What it feels like, is that we're supposed to just take it, just turn the other cheek. I don't know in what universe that has ever been an effective strategy in getting someone to stop antagonizing you. Talking back to someone who bothers you is a natural, reasonable response. Forcing someone to turn the other cheek and take it, or else be punished as the bad guy themselves, how does that solve the problem? People take matters into their own hands both as a reasonable response, and because they don't have any faith that anything else will be done about it.
Another thing - why do I owe someone who antagonizes me, respect?
They clearly don't believe they owe me any, so why do I have to be nice to them? What's the point of that?
What's the problem with letting people defend themselves? That it's fighting, and pushes users away?
The bad actors already do that, especially when they're allowed to do whatever they want for months before anything is done about it, if at all.
The thing is lot of the time, these bad actors don't even really care about this place at all, they don't care about sharing real thoughts, having real conversations, or making friends, they aren't good-faith forum members, so it's like, why make it a priority to make sure these people are protected, but threaten and punish anyone that stands up to them? Because they said a few swears? Like really,
that's the issue here, and
not the bullying/harassment/whatever? These bad-faith forum members just show up for a while, do their damage and leave once they get bored, but not before pushing some good members away too. Looks like this has happened once again.
Maybe if multiple people, both old and new, keep having the
same problem over and over again, maybe it's not just "whining and complaining". Maybe, you know, there's actually a problem. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
But what do I know.
lets all just count to 10, its just a troll no one needs to get upset
. Seems we are losing more good guys than bad guys which is a shame, the fun/banter is declining massively.
