Do You Sense EVIL Growing In the World? You are RIGHT!

[Blue Sky]

Robin wrote: They have all the power in their bodies than they would ever need.

LonelyGirl wrote: GOD is Good and will NEVER leave us nor forsake us, even until the end of the Age!

Both are comments which will reach those who need it, in different ways, with different beliefs, thus both are needed. Negative attacks toward others beliefs with thoughts toward conversion or mere debate(toward God or toward atheism) pulls away from the positive encouragement you guys have been good at.

Very well put Teach.

 

[Guest]

My deepest apologies, in reviewing my post I realized I forgot to revise my notes after learning of a contradiction in two statements I had witnessed online. I had to backtrack to find the original and compare footnotes.

Here my first post, as well as the revision to my erroneous post. Again apologies I like to give just the facts... unless I explicitly that a statement is "my belief", anyway:

The father of Dahmer:

"Lionel Dahmer published a book, A Father's Story, and donated a portion of the proceeds from his book to the victims and their families. Most of the families showed support for Lionel Dahmer and his wife, Shari. He has retired from his career as an analytical chemist and resides with his wife in Medina County, Ohio. He consults on the evolution versus creationism topic occasionally, and his wife was a member of the board of the Medina County Ohio Horseman's Council."

His father believed and still believes in evolution and natural selection.

This statement was partially incorrect. I misinterpreted the article stating that Lionel "consults on the evolution versus creationism topic..."

With further delving I came to learn that Lionel is in fact a creationist, and raised Jeffery in his early years with this belief. It was my assumption, due to this article I will now add, that Lionel was not a creationist. So I was wrong in this but with the following statement by Dahmer himself you may understand why I made that assumption accidentally:

"Ken Ham likes to argue that evolution is the cause of a variety of social ills--teen pregnancy, pornography, drugs, abortion, racism, the Holocaust, etc. His book The Lie: Evolution argues that evolution is responsible for all of these things...

I just learned (thanks to Ed Brayton's blog) that Jeffrey Dahmer, the cannibal serial killer, was raised as a creationist, and his father, Dr. Lionel Dahmer, is listed on the Answers in Genesis website as an analytical chemist who accepts the biblical account of creation.

If evolutionists used Ken Ham's technique, they would argue that being raised as a creationist causes cannibalism. Answers in Genesis specifically suggests that it was belief in evolution, rather than issues from his upbringing, that caused Jeffrey Dahmer to kill, quoting a 1994 statement from him that "If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then—then what’s the point of trying to modify your behaviour to keep it within acceptable ranges? That’s how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we, when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing…""

 

[Guest]

Hmm very interesting. Good points.

I find that Fear is not of God.

And the greatest fear for most humans is death.

Death, the Final Frontier.

Lol Star Trek had it wrong. Death really IS the final frontier. A strange new world from whence there is no return. I will pray and pray and work and work to do good in this world, so that when my number is up, I feel no fear but total happiness and acceptance of the World to Come.

do u believe that there is eternal life??

 

[Guest]

To the guest that posted here concerning Robins statement:

I saw that you were negatively affected by his post.
I have read a number of posts by Robin and have to say, in his defense, that in those other posts he was helpful and kindhearted and his opinions were not quite so negatively emotional.
Perhaps the topics just hit a chord with him... though you are right I suppose and he should have responded differently.

Anyway that being said I'm sure he can defend himself just fine.
AND hopefully you will join the forums, there are many discussions here that stay on topic and have nothing to do with this debate... religion is a touchy matter... especially these days.

 

[Guest]

What would your religious beliefs be if you were raised in a family that had different religious beliefs than those of your own family?

Who wrote the Koran, the Bible, the Buddhist texts, the Torah?

What proof or evidence has there been, for any religion, that has come from outside the religion itself, i.e. another ‘organization’ validating it, showing that particular religion to be the ‘true’ religion?

What evidence is there for creationism outside of the Bible?

What is more significant to peace on earth, how a person lives their life, or what religion they follow?

These questions have to be understood in context to see what they are. All religions are from the mind of man, every religion claims, to some degree, that it got its scriptures, its texts from god…but the person that ‘received’ the words, the texts from god was still a man, or woman. Which one is right? Depends whom your parents were, what you were taught, what exposure you had. Yes, some people are raised one way, rebel against it and believe something else, but for the most part, throughout the world, you believe what you are taught. Not just in religion, but for most things in life.

Part of most religions is the belief that their religion is the correct one, the right one. This idea is passed on to the people hearing it, eventually it is taken without question…

This post was originally about ‘evil’ in the world. Change the word ‘evil’ to ‘ego’ and I believe we can come closer to peace, to solving the problem, so to speak. The desire for war, the desire to ‘win’, the desire to hurt, are driven by fear…when we fear, we make the ego stronger in order to protect ourselves. It can become a walled fortress that we don’t let people, things, or ideas into. This in turn makes us want to dominate others, to control others, to kill others, in extreme cases. This has to be understood. Religions that preach killing, non-acceptance of other religions, and ‘their way is the only way’, are based on fear, not love. And some of the people today and in the past, in all religions, are using religion for power, they bastardize what was said in the original scripture, in order to support their agenda…imagine Jesus saying “spread the word and kill those that don’t agree”…but this happened with Christianity at a point in history, much like Islam is being used now.

To discuss evil, religion, and peace without suggestions for a solution is just a way for people to try to prove whose religion is better. In order to work towards long-term peace, we must, I believe, remove the root which is inherent in human nature – fear. Over history, fear has served a purpose, and still does today, however we must not be ruled by it. Fear kept us from trusting other dangerous tribes too quickly, from trusting ‘that cute guy you just met’ too soon, and various other life threating situations. But when it stops you from loving, it has won…

In the immediate future, we will continue to be fear driven. We’ll continue to fight wars, protect ourselves from terrorists. I believe that a time will come when we will live a more peaceful life, where all sentient beings are treated humanely. The problem is deep, it will take time, and don’t misunderstand, I’m not advocating that when a country or group attacks, you stand by and roll over. I look towards a time when countries and people will no longer desire to do these things, that they will finally see the world as truly one…

 

[Lost in the Oilfield]

What would your religious beliefs be if you were raised in a family that had different religious beliefs than those of your own family?

Who wrote the Koran, the Bible, the Buddhist texts, the Torah?

What proof or evidence has there been, for any religion, that has come from outside the religion itself, i.e. another ‘organization’ validating it, showing that particular religion to be the ‘true’ religion?

What evidence is there for creationism outside of the Bible?

What is more significant to peace on earth, how a person lives their life, or what religion they follow?

These questions have to be understood in context to see what they are. All religions are from the mind of man, every religion claims, to some degree, that it got its scriptures, its texts from god…but the person that ‘received’ the words, the texts from god was still a man, or woman. Which one is right? Depends whom your parents were, what you were taught, what exposure you had. Yes, some people are raised one way, rebel against it and believe something else, but for the most part, throughout the world, you believe what you are taught. Not just in religion, but for most things in life.

Part of most religions is the belief that their religion is the correct one, the right one. This idea is passed on to the people hearing it, eventually it is taken without question…

This post was originally about ‘evil’ in the world. Change the word ‘evil’ to ‘ego’ and I believe we can come closer to peace, to solving the problem, so to speak. The desire for war, the desire to ‘win’, the desire to hurt, are driven by fear…when we fear, we make the ego stronger in order to protect ourselves. It can become a walled fortress that we don’t let people, things, or ideas into. This in turn makes us want to dominate others, to control others, to kill others, in extreme cases. This has to be understood. Religions that preach killing, non-acceptance of other religions, and ‘their way is the only way’, are based on fear, not love. And some of the people today and in the past, in all religions, are using religion for power, they bastardize what was said in the original scripture, in order to support their agenda…imagine Jesus saying “spread the word and kill those that don’t agree”…but this happened with Christianity at a point in history, much like Islam is being used now.

To discuss evil, religion, and peace without suggestions for a solution is just a way for people to try to prove whose religion is better. In order to work towards long-term peace, we must, I believe, remove the root which is inherent in human nature – fear. Over history, fear has served a purpose, and still does today, however we must not be ruled by it. Fear kept us from trusting other dangerous tribes too quickly, from trusting ‘that cute guy you just met’ too soon, and various other life threating situations. But when it stops you from loving, it has won…

In the immediate future, we will continue to be fear driven. We’ll continue to fight wars, protect ourselves from terrorists. I believe that a time will come when we will live a more peaceful life, where all sentient beings are treated humanely. The problem is deep, it will take time, and don’t misunderstand, I’m not advocating that when a country or group attacks, you stand by and roll over. I look towards a time when countries and people will no longer desire to do these things, that they will finally see the world as truly one…

Hope you don't mind me repeating everything you just said. Took awhile to read through this thread, out of all the posts your words really hit home so I just want to second them. Peace!

 

[lonelygirl]

RIGHT ON, Apocalypse Now! The problem is that ATHEISM IS a form of religion! I have heard Atheists with such venom, pomposity, and looking down their nose at 'foolish' believers that are as zealous as any Islamist!

You silly things! Go on and call US the fools. Don't worry. Someday, every tongue will confess that Jesus is God, someday every knee will bow.

Robin, I frankly don't think you have the impartiality necessary to be a moderator. You deleted a thread I had with a Muslim guy that was slightly argumentative but we were HONESTLY working toward intercultural understanding! WHY did you do that? Please don't delete this thread, if you don't agree with its content.

Whatever happened to that idea, "I may disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it"?

 

[Robin]

Negative attacks toward others beliefs with thoughts toward conversion or mere debate(toward God or toward atheism) pulls away from the positive encouragement you guys have been good at.

Indeed, it does. I don't know for certain, to be honest, why i can't let anything positive about religion stay inside my head. I guess i'm so frustrated with how much so many people spend on things which i'm 100% certain doesn't exist because i "know" their beliefs won't help them back. I just want what's best for everyone, not just personal redemptions. There bound to be at least as many atheists as religious people at this forum so i don't like when someone bring their own religious beliefs up to try and help someone with. That is considered helping people get even more unsocial and waiting for something good to happen to them, by me, rather than telling them how strong they are themselves and that they have the ability to fix all their problems.

Personally the thought of man being the greatest power in all existence is very, very frightening. Without actual meaning?! What meaning in life is there to exist without a greater power to keep one in moral check?

Wow, well on this last quote I was rather taken aback... the kindhearted atheist becomes rather nasty. Sorry, I understand you're frustrated by Guests statements... it really did kind of surprise me to see you say those words though. Anyway, this will be my last topic of debate for today.

You are given 'best wishes' and yet you state in closing that "unfortunately I do not share the same thoughts for You." When my Muslim friend and I get into some of the most heated philosophical debates even to the point where a little name calling may occur, we eventually work it out and leave with good intentions for one another. To deny to reciprocate words of care for another is not a very good example for what New World order you would endorse.

There is not one step in the evolution of all of the universe that i believe has to have something to do with creatures that ever would or could care about us humans on this tiny planet. I don't believe we are the only creatures, but i don't believe "someone" rather than "something" created it all. I want nothing more than a god with a holy aura to come down here and do some magic right infront of my eyes so that i would know we always were under that gods protection. That would bring some well needed clarity to where the heck we came from to me as well, but i don't believe we need it to be the masters of the possible part of the universe that technology can give us. I don't think there is a meaning, i don't think we need a meaning to try and make everyone and everything else have an as good life as possible.

I took those first replies to my posts rather hard and i deliberately sank to that Guests level to show him how it felt and how unnecessarily evil he was. I know i'm not perfect in any way, but i do know i'm a **** good person when i don't get treated like a bad one and for that i am actually glad that i am as defensive about as i am. I can accept that i can do mistakes which indirectly, unintentionally, can hurt someone outside the scene; that only happens when i feel i have to let some steam out on someone who deliberately want to bring me down. I become someone i wouldn't want to be around either when the good and sensitive guy behind the shield take some unfair hits.

I admit that and i am sorry about this whole thing. I should have kept away from this thread as it obviously brought out a part of me which i don't like myself at all. Unfortunately... i couldn't resists saying it; i think there's too much religious bogus going around here and i must say i truly do hate it. I don't hate the people who believe in it, because as i've written in others threads earlier, most people can't help that they believe what they believe in; their upbringing or lack for something else to believe in obviously will make them believe. What i hate about it is that i believe it does more harm than good and mostly is forced upon people as some **** standard way of living which they could live without. I see it as a virus, and boy do i hate viruses.

This is my first visit to this site.

I'm sitting here struggling with loneliness tonight to the point of physical pain. I was very glad to come across this site, but my happiness was short lived.

I'm a website administrator. I train moderators, and have also done a great deal of moderation in the past. I'm very sorry to see that this is a forum where moderators are allowed to insult and alienate the membership.

All due respect, Robin, but this is a SUPPORT forum. You are a member and entitled to your own opinions but you are also a moderator, and therefore you are held to a higher standard. It comes with the title, like it or not. Perhaps you should consider that your views about politics, religion and other topics reflect upon this entire community.

Sadly - for this newbie - it's not a positive first impression.

A was afraid my moderator status would get a hit from the posts i've mad these last days. I only signed up for this job to keep this forum clean from spam. I've been trying to help out as much as i can and have given and forwarded several ideas to improve this forum and have willingly suggested that i could mod the forum myself so that Bjarnes busy time don't have to be altered in any way.

I understand that it's already too late, but i just want everyone interested to know that i have nothing else to do with this forum than simply being another member of it with a little more privileges. Every single word that i type are nothing but my own and i have neither no interest nor intent to write anything which don't strictly come from myself. I don't know neither Bjarne nor Teach well at all and have no idea where they stand in the religious or political spectrum.

As a gesture of pure respect for the harm that i have caused i will resign from my moderator post. As i have done more harm than good, thanks to this incident, i am sure that someone better will be able to fill it up soon. I am sorry for Your first experience here and hope that You and every single person after You will be able to have a more peaceful introduction to our moderators.

To the guest that posted here concerning Robins statement:

I saw that you were negatively affected by his post.
I have read a number of posts by Robin and have to say, in his defense, that in those other posts he was helpful and kindhearted and his opinions were not quite so negatively emotional.
Perhaps the topics just hit a chord with him... though you are right I suppose and he should have responded differently.

Anyway that being said I'm sure he can defend himself just fine.
AND hopefully you will join the forums, there are many discussions here that stay on topic and have nothing to do with this debate... religion is a touchy matter... especially these days.

This was very kind of You and i am glad that i don't seem like the jerk i've been in this thread to everyone on this forum. Thank You for speaking up for me; i owe You one.

As a final statement i wish to say that i at least have learned a lesson from this experience and that i will try to keep my fierce view of religion down as much as i can during the rest of my time here. I'm obviously a more anti-religious atheist than i knew i were. I don't wish any of You any harm (unless You harm me first ) and i truly hope that You don't feel as bad about this whole thing as i do right now.

Nighty night.

 

[lonelygirl]

Well, You're right about how it's fruitless; i'm not interested in anything You're writing. I didn't finish half Your reply since it doesn't get through to me at all. I don't care what You or anyone else think or "know" about how much religion is part of everything; i believe religion is the biggest obstacle in the way for a possible world peace. It destroys more than it creates and is completely useless. Your belief in a higher power is the most ridiculous thing i know with us humans. It's such a waste of time of our precious lives. I don't care what You believe in, i won't treat or think of You as any different, but if You proudly preach about it i'm as insulted as if someone would preach about how cool cigarettes are around youngsters as sensitive as the one's are around here. If You don't have a life and neither try to change it or accept help from anyone else You could as well fill it up with a fictive buddy in the sky as well as one down here; that obviously make people feel better than if they wouldn't, but since it's all bullocks i think it's wrong; You're lying to the people that God will help them. They have all the power in their bodies that they would ever need. They just need to know how to use it, and that's not by telling them something like You write, LG.

Robin, don't you see that Atheism itself is a stubbornly held belief just as strongly as any religion? I believe in Goodness, Mercy, and Peace, and I do NOT think that is evident in human nature. I think we NEED religion to teach people morals and truths. Feel free to disagree but please PROVE me wrong with FACTS not ideas. Opinions are like ********, and everybody's got one! hee hee

 

[Robin]

Robin, I frankly don't think you have the impartiality necessary to be a moderator. You deleted a thread I had with a Muslim guy that was slightly argumentative but we were HONESTLY working toward intercultural understanding! WHY did you do that? Please don't delete this thread, if you don't agree with its content.

Wow, that's it. You shut the hell up, lonelygirl. I haven't deleted a single post as my time as a moderator and if You claim i've done anything i haven't ever again i'm gonna make You regret it.

 

[Robin]

Robin, don't you see that Atheism itself is a stubbornly held belief just as strongly as any religion?

Yes i do, and i believe it's the only religious belief that isn't wrong. What You believe is that something that doesn't exist exist. What i believe is that what You believe in doesn't exist. My facts are more true than Yours since You have nothing to prove that god does exist. I can't prove that he doesn't exist, but i can't prove that dragons doesn't exist either. They just don't.

 

[lonelygirl]

Hmm very interesting. Good points.

I find that Fear is not of God.

And the greatest fear for most humans is death.

Death, the Final Frontier.

Lol Star Trek had it wrong. Death really IS the final frontier. A strange new world from whence there is no return. I will pray and pray and work and work to do good in this world, so that when my number is up, I feel no fear but total happiness and acceptance of the World to Come.

do u believe that there is eternal life??

Yes, I DO believe that the soul is eternal. People OF ALL races, religions, ethnicities have been believing this for millenia. So, I do agree, and not just because it's the 'popular' view! The ancient Egyptians happily looked forward to death and the next life. I don't want to shuffle off This Mortal Coil until God has it planned for me. In the meantime, my greatest thing is NOT to fear death or pain or Evil, because when Christ was nailed to that tree, he took upon his back the sins of a million eons. That means that I should anticipate Death as a chance to be with my Creator. I will admit that at age 31 I'm not quite ready, but God is Good!

 

[lonelygirl]

Robin,

I have always thought you were a Good Person. Though you and I don't agree about everything, the good point of BEING human is that we DON'T HAVE to agree on everything!

Please note that I have wandered in the desert for some sort of Truth for many, many years. I am STILL actively questioning my own faith! Please don't think of me as a 'foolishly blind faith' follower of ANYTHING. I say, don't label yourself! I'm a nominal Christ-Follower with an interest in Buddhist philosophy.

I was actively considering converting to Islam in college since I felt my Christian faith so weak and I had questions about Why does a good God allow children to suffer, and the Trinity is a strange concept to my mind. HOWEVER these days my faith is somewhat renewed but STILL I question and always will question!

I then attended Buddhist Student Fellowship in Graduate school and actively almost converted to Buddhism by a ceremony called 'Taking Refuge in the Triple Gem: Buddha, Darma, and Sangha" which I did not do at the last minute since I felt that Buddhism, while warm, fuzzy, and wise, did not answer ALL my questions as well!

Robin, I always thought you were a great guy. I didn't know WHO had deleted the thread on my dialogue with the Angry Muslim teenager until I figured it must be you since Teach has said openly that she only deletes porno and spam and threats and not necessarily stuff she doesn't agree with personally. I believe she is a Christian but is very open-minded and never stuffs her beliefs down anyone's throat.

I was HURT that you lost your temper and threatened me, Robin. I think you are better than that! Why say something mean like 'I will make you sorry" which could be taken as a physical threat! Never lose your temper that bad please!

I really DO think you simply must resign moderator status now since that was the sort of thing we want to DISALLOW on this site: People getting so angry they lose their tempers. Or you could just stay on as moderator but be sure NOT to get involved in religious threads, or just to be sure to keep your temper next time ok?

Hugs,

LG.

 

[lonelygirl]

What would your religious beliefs be if you were raised in a family that had different religious beliefs than those of your own family?

Who wrote the Koran, the Bible, the Buddhist texts, the Torah?

What proof or evidence has there been, for any religion, that has come from outside the religion itself, i.e. another ‘organization’ validating it, showing that particular religion to be the ‘true’ religion?

What evidence is there for creationism outside of the Bible?

What is more significant to peace on earth, how a person lives their life, or what religion they follow?

These questions have to be understood in context to see what they are. All religions are from the mind of man, every religion claims, to some degree, that it got its scriptures, its texts from god…but the person that ‘received’ the words, the texts from god was still a man, or woman. Which one is right? Depends whom your parents were, what you were taught, what exposure you had. Yes, some people are raised one way, rebel against it and believe something else, but for the most part, throughout the world, you believe what you are taught. Not just in religion, but for most things in life.

Part of most religions is the belief that their religion is the correct one, the right one. This idea is passed on to the people hearing it, eventually it is taken without question…

This post was originally about ‘evil’ in the world. Change the word ‘evil’ to ‘ego’ and I believe we can come closer to peace, to solving the problem, so to speak. The desire for war, the desire to ‘win’, the desire to hurt, are driven by fear…when we fear, we make the ego stronger in order to protect ourselves. It can become a walled fortress that we don’t let people, things, or ideas into. This in turn makes us want to dominate others, to control others, to kill others, in extreme cases. This has to be understood. Religions that preach killing, non-acceptance of other religions, and ‘their way is the only way’, are based on fear, not love. And some of the people today and in the past, in all religions, are using religion for power, they bastardize what was said in the original scripture, in order to support their agenda…imagine Jesus saying “spread the word and kill those that don’t agree”…but this happened with Christianity at a point in history, much like Islam is being used now.

To discuss evil, religion, and peace without suggestions for a solution is just a way for people to try to prove whose religion is better. In order to work towards long-term peace, we must, I believe, remove the root which is inherent in human nature – fear. Over history, fear has served a purpose, and still does today, however we must not be ruled by it. Fear kept us from trusting other dangerous tribes too quickly, from trusting ‘that cute guy you just met’ too soon, and various other life threating situations. But when it stops you from loving, it has won…

In the immediate future, we will continue to be fear driven. We’ll continue to fight wars, protect ourselves from terrorists. I believe that a time will come when we will live a more peaceful life, where all sentient beings are treated humanely. The problem is deep, it will take time, and don’t misunderstand, I’m not advocating that when a country or group attacks, you stand by and roll over. I look towards a time when countries and people will no longer desire to do these things, that they will finally see the world as truly one…

Excellent concepts and ideas, and many of which I agree with. EGO IS what I need to conquer personally! Ego is the concept, in my opinion, that ANY ONE is better than anyone else: whether you are richer, smarter, more powerful, more sexy, or better looking, we are all just HUMANS in God's eyes. Or non-believers might say that Ego is the concept that humans are not all ONE. I do think we are all one in some ways.

HOWEVER your views dont' correspond with reality, in my thought--because I have OBSERVED children from a very young age, and their FIRST instinct is to grab something for themselves and to hit if you take something of 'theirs'. Human nature, in my view, is inherently evil because people ARE greedy and selfish if they have no fear of God nor respect for other humans. If there IS no God, then why CAN'T I steal from you? Or rape you if I find you sexually attractive? Or kill you if you piss me off? If there are no absolute Truths, and truth is always relative, then why is Jeffry Dahmer an evil guy?

 

[lonelygirl]

ALL PEOPLE:

Mea culpa.

If I have offended you with my views, I do heartily and honestly apologize. It was NOT my intention nor do I mean to be abusive or cruel in any way.

I'm just a human with MANY, MANY flaws. Trust me! I know that well!

I'm just a human trying to be kind and just in a very unkind and unjust world.

Robin, and to all other atheists or nonbelievers and all others: Please do accept my apology. This thread is fascinating discussion of Good and Evil, and what directs human behavior. Let's keep it civil and kind. I'm just a human and imperfect, too, I once lost my temper HORRIBLY and made a mean post. So NO ONE human is perfect!

 

[lonelygirl]

Oops I sounded a bit sanctimonious there, I have made one THREAD that was made in anger and it hurt people, and that was Wrong. I have made MANY posts where I was annoyed! lol

 

[Lost in the Oilfield]

This thread is getting long :~0

Well, I've always loved science...

Modern Science Disproves the Evolutionary Theory:

Christian Science-
http://www.biblelife.org/creation.htm

Muslim Science-
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/

This is Why Evolution scares me:
"Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the production of the higher animals, directly follows."
-From Charles Darwin
On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life

!!!Don't you find that scary!!!... people believing in the Theory of Evolution must also accept that, for this world to improve and become better, we must have war, famine and death to produce better animals.

I think if Darwin was alive today he'd read about DNA design, then he'd slap himself on the head and say "Uh oh, I better go rewrite my theory!"

DNA is a blueprint for human construction... could it perhaps have been mentioned in the Bible as the "name in the book of life" that we all have a right to? After all, names get used again and again but DNA science shows us that everyone is uniquely identifiable and therefor had their name written long before they were born. Also due to the numbering sequence of DNA it is also possible now that the mark of the beast the anti-Christ will bear could actually be reference to a specific DNA sequence. But that business about DNA being the mark of the beast is all craziness I think.

This is why:

"The ‘wisdom’ to work out the number will be given to those (maybe us) living at the time of the rising of the beast. Suddenly what we have been reading will make sense. The mystery will be ended. The very fact that John writes "Here is wisdom, Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast..." shows that not everyone has such wisdom or understanding.
We believe in something that theologians call "progressive revelation." This means that certain Bible truths regarding last day events are revealed more fully as the events approach. For instance, few people spoke of the ‘rapture of the church’ before the 1800s. Even though it was always there in the Bible few understood it or thought about it. It was only at the beginning of this century that light was shed more intensely upon this subject. Now we understand what Luther, Tyndale, Wesley and others did not grasp. The same is true regarding the number six hundred and sixty six."

Author Gary J. Hall - Taken from - http://www.lwbc.co.uk/666.htm

However perhaps DNA could serve as a catalyst.
This information frightened me when I stumbled across it:

Scientists have found what they believe to be samples of Jesus Christs DNA and want to try to clone it...

http://english.pravda.ru/society/anomal/75627-0/

DNA and EVOLUTION:
I read some different subjects concerning DNA and evolution. The fact of the matter is that everything they say about it is not based in facts. The scientists make guess work of how it "may" have been a possibility for DNA to have evolved, especially since they "think" the creatures of the world came from an RNA design if you read on the "RNA world hypothesis" but it's all a bunch of imagination based information. There is no actual scientific proof that shows evolution to be true. None.

An interesting point that disputes evolution through DNA is that mutation rarely produces any form of benefit. In fact it would usually lead to either mutilation of a humans physical characteristics, inability for gene reproduction, or at sever enough levels- death.

Nowhere in DNA science is there hard evidence that mutation on this level could possibly lead to a better human. Look at a smoker... they mutate their DNA through inhalation of benzopyrene. Do they seem higher evolved than the non-smoking human, or do they seem to be on the same evolutionary level but with a physical problem? Belief in human evolution is an absurd notion that has no scientific basis.

It may be interesting like reading a book about dragons, fairies, princesses, and wizards, but it is a fairy tale just the same.

Another interesting theory that counters evolution is the Earths time line.
Evolutionists believe the world has been around for billions of years.
They come to this assumption on the basis of carbon dating, and also with geophysical studying of the layers that are produced in the earth. Carbon dating can be false... if there is a fire around the area or objects they date, then the carbon is contaminated and will produce false readings. There is a theory that perhaps in the time of the Dark Ages the meaning of the periods name was actually literal. That perhaps the earth had covered over in the darkness of a massive volcanic eruption that would have filled the sky with soot that would have carried far and wide. There is no proof of that theory yet though. The second thing is the Biblical account of the Flood. The account of the Flood tells how water came not only from the sky but also up from the earth itself. This massive raising of the water level on a global scale, not to mention it's eventual receding would have shifted, or stirred up, the earths layers in such a way as to make it impossible to determine the age of the earth based on geophysical formation. So really, the scientists have no way to tell the exact age of the earth, but it's very likely that it is not nearly as old as they think.

Anyway I'm going on and on... Just noticed posts concerning Evolution, and I find it's my duty to try and tell people that Evolution is NOT scientific fact, it is JUST THEORY. I saw the topic of evolution covered in our text book in elementary school. I complained about it but was FORCED to learn it and do test questions/homework on it or lose marks. I love science, and I want to learn scientific facts, not some crackpot ideas some dead guy had many years ago that don't have basis in scientific fact. I remember how disturbing it was to see that in my textbook. It really made no sense that the teacher was trying to tell me fantasies about ancestors being apes. It'd be like a teacher showing the movie Planet of the Apes in elementary school and saying "Well kids, this is exactly what the future will be like."

Aristotle (Greek philosopher as well as teacher to Alexander the Great of Macedonia) believed that gases created in our stomaches when we eat would rise up to the head and make us feel warm and happy. I read the works of Aristotle when I was twelve so that's not a direct quote, but that was the rough idea that he had so long ago... how come we aren't learning about that in biology today? Or what about reading the innards of chickens? You never know it could be a valuable decision making tool at business meetings.

Anyway, I'll leave it at that before I start another rant

 

[lonelygirl]

Hmm Lost you raise a cool point--that if Darwin was right, WHERE can we get morals? After all, if there is no God, why not just rape and pillage? If there is no Creator who put this all in orbit, why not just do whatever you want?

 

[jales]

oka no I don't sense evil growing in the world
what is evil? If evil is bad what is bad? If bad is pain...there was always pain..maybe as our population expands there is more human-pain...what do you'll mean more evil? In the past we had great 'morals' which caused many of your ancestors to condone slavery..to kill an entire race of indigenous(cant spell) american people...evil isn't growing..it was always there..as for the evolution..that may well be its source

that need for survival on a personal level.....and Natural selection in my opinion is a really good theory ...yes things change..but what Darwin said however 'evil' it may sound..has nothing to do with DNA technology ..he was commenting on our past as a species..as well as that of other living things..

oh and LG..i didnt read this whole thing but as far as this part goes

HOWEVER your views dont' correspond with reality, in my thought--because I have OBSERVED children from a very young age, and their FIRST instinct is to grab something for themselves and to hit if you take something of 'theirs'. Human nature, in my view, is inherently evil because people ARE greedy and selfish if they have no fear of God nor respect for other humans. If there IS no God, then why CAN'T I steal from you? Or rape you if I find you sexually attractive? Or kill you if you piss me off? If there are no absolute Truths, and truth is always relative, then why is Jeffry Dahmer an evil guy?

You basically just said that because we have morals there is a God...umm so if I said to you that we have moral standards in society because we feel..
As in if I steal from you, you feel bad...so eventually laws are put into place to protect everyone's feelings...

Then is there no God?
there's more and i typed it but deleted..its too long..it wont help anybody or change anyone's mind in anycase!

was fun to type though................... :0)
oh n i meant no disrespect to either LG or Lito..was just picking on ya'll!

 

[AaronAgassi]

Robin wrote: They have all the power in their bodies than they would ever need.

LonelyGirl wrote: GOD is Good and will NEVER leave us nor forsake us, even until the end of the Age!

Both are comments which will reach those who need it, in different ways, with different beliefs, thus both are needed. Negative attacks toward others beliefs with thoughts toward conversion or mere debate(toward God or toward atheism) pulls away from the positive encouragement you guys have been good at.

Very well put Teach.

But either kind of pep talk only distracts from a) serious attention to deeper psychological issues and b) better understanding, strategizing and actually ever taking prudent action in order to improve lonely and unhappy external situations in the real world.