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In the last few years I went from a good church going praying girl to that ...I sort of ran into Him like into a brick wall and learned that its either God's way or no way. I'm not talking about my life. But the people around me.
I don't know....just can't see any free will anywhere. I feel like I'm forced, don't have any power to change the situation even though I f*** tried.
Lost In The Oilfield,relax, I'm not here to get anything new out of you. I have a friend just like you, every word u said, I was shocked, matched what he said only in another language on a diff. forum, where we have these debates that turn into personal insults later. U guys, who read the same thing everyday have the same answers, boring words like....well the Bible says....according to the Bible....God said.....etc. etc.etc. the Bible has been saying same thing for ever. And what? whats new?
..tell me something, I don't know.
If you have any real life examples to back up the Bible and that is not from it ...instead of "consider this", "imagine that"..I would love to hear it.
I don't know....just can't see any free will anywhere. I feel like I'm forced, don't have any power to change the situation even though I f*** tried.
Lost In The Oilfield,relax, I'm not here to get anything new out of you. I have a friend just like you, every word u said, I was shocked, matched what he said only in another language on a diff. forum, where we have these debates that turn into personal insults later. U guys, who read the same thing everyday have the same answers, boring words like....well the Bible says....according to the Bible....God said.....etc. etc.etc. the Bible has been saying same thing for ever. And what? whats new?
..tell me something, I don't know.
If you have any real life examples to back up the Bible and that is not from it ...instead of "consider this", "imagine that"..I would love to hear it.
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lolmimizu said:
Stalin was something else..one of a kind sonavabitch.
What can I say, he didn't want to be bothered, so for the good of the child he killed the father, the mother and that child herself. lol
I..don't know...I'm sensing that this ..relates to God or someth.?
In my own, my own, my own opinion ofcourse God is not a sadist, I know that w/o reading the Bible. And I almost feel like defending Him on this one.But on the other hand its cruel what happens to people and its just way too much than they can handle. Why?
some1 said that prayer is always answered but its a "no"..well, whats if its a "no" all the time?
Didn't Jesus say Himself in the Bible
(don't remember the correct order of word)someth. like.
"If you pray to him you'll always get it?"
???
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Colette said:
Qu'est-ce que c'est? Je ne parle pas italien! Mais, je pense que tu dit que tu ne parles pas anglais. Mais, c'est faux! Tu parles anglais bien! C'est moi qui ne parle pas très bien, mais en français. Zut, j'ai un examen du français hier et je dois étudier. Hm, passe compose? Ou les verbes irrégulier? Je ne sais pas.
e.m.e. said:
Erm...I haven't read this whole thread, but one of the main points about Christianity is there's an afterlife. Not everything you pray for will be "granted". Hell, in the context of eternal life, a physical life of answered prayers doesn't mean honeysuckle if you end up going to Hell. Those who live miserable lives, on the other hand, still have the same opportunity of going to Heaven for all of eternity (which I guess isn't really eternity; more like eternity minus the amount of time you spend on earth).
The point is, God's not a social worker who grants every prayer of every person - not even of every Christian. Now that I think about it, He couldn't even if He wanted to. Aka, quite a few people have probably prayed for everyone else to die and whatnot.
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aw..don't even care anymore, whateverMatt said:
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HELL NO!!!Colette said:NewBirth has finally accepted Jesus Christ as his lord and savior.
i wouldnt **** myself 2 hell like that
How can people be so ridiculous? If there was a being of infinite power, which you can't prove or disprove because he's FRIGGIN' INFINITE!!!!!!, but anyway if there was such a being *rolls eyes* you A) can't measure him because he's... well... infinite which means you also can't show evidence for his existence and B) you don't only not have the right to interpret him, you CAN'T INTERPRET HIM because he's all powerful and infinite which means he can do, say, and make happen anything he pleases! No one I've met ever seems to be able to fully grasp this concept. People try to say what "God" can and can not do. Wow, are you ******* kidding me? He's God, he can do WHATEVER HE WANTS. Don't be so stupid.
Going around quoting the bible and regurgitating that ignorant drivle doesn't prove jack honeysuckle. It's like if my friend wrote a science fiction story and then I went around quoting it to prove that it was true? That's so flawed there's no point even discussing it.
Going around quoting the bible and regurgitating that ignorant drivle doesn't prove jack honeysuckle. It's like if my friend wrote a science fiction story and then I went around quoting it to prove that it was true? That's so flawed there's no point even discussing it.
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Matt said:Not true. I can prove human stupidity.Brodie said:
yes, quite true. human stupidity and ignorance are infinite, yet can and continue to be proven. However, perhaps what Brodie is saying is that God is infinite and has nothing that can compare with Him. While there are many stupid people out there, there are smart people too, which is what gives us the contrast to be able to say that human stupidity actually is stupid, and not just average. But with God, you seem to be referring to Him as one individual entity. While this is not my personal belief, if you were to go by that I'd have to say that it is true, there is no way to measure the infinite capabilities of this single God because there is no standard by which it is possible to measure Him.
But personally, the concept of one god is ridiculous to me, so this is probably all just way over my head. And wtf is with God being a man? Would make infinitely more sense to call Him an It. But again, I'm not trying to be offensive. That's just my oppinion. Likely one that you Christian folks didn't want to hear... sorry if I'm offending anyone.
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e.m.e. said:
Well e.m.e., I was considering forming an honest and thoughtful reply. I do have many life experiences, but I see where this thread has gone, and I'm forced to ask myself what good any of my words will do here... you're right... while I was away, it already has turned to name calling thanks to Brodie and his unbridled hatred, and I have no need to try and prove what I know is right. Let me prove it in my actions out in the world rather than waste your time or mine here with words.
I have had lengthy discussions with Muslims about religion, and they were more civil, receptive, and educated than those that have turned to direct, immature, and unfounded attacks as their means of expressing thief beliefs or disbeliefs.
Sorry, was I cursing and bashing down atheism or agnostics in a rude and ignorant manner? To the best of my recollection, I have not.
I gave you what scholarly information is available. What texts there are in the past that have been provided. So now you want to burn books? To do away with any past philosophical or theological writings? To crucify the church and any believers? To destroy those that don't see life and existence as you do Brodie?
This has already been done long ago, and yes, history repeats itself, so it will be done again. You said in your introduction that you are intelligent... so why don't you try showing it? If your friend wrote a sci-fi book and you took it as your belief I would not be in agreement with your belief, but I wouldn't attack you for it or speak of you condescendingly, or bash your friend. Or call you stupid or ridiculous... I would wonder why you took to your belief and listen to what you had to say without becoming as negative and narrow minded as you seem to make your habitual practice in these religious threads.
So no crazy hatred or anger toward you... this leads me to believe that you have been hurt either by the church, or a member of the church, or someone close to you has been hurt. You have a hatred inside you Brodie that will tear you apart if you don't address it, rather than attack others and blame them or other things as the cause of your pain and anger you should try to address the real problem. Any first year psychologist could ascertain this from your posts toward religion. They are strongly biased and emotion/anger based... which is the number one sign that it is a cover-up for the real issue you refuse, or are not yet ready, to address in your life. Well, that's for you to discover on your own... and that was not religion speaking, but psychology or maybe it was sociology... well, it was one of those head-doctor courses I had to take.
Anyway, the fact of the matter is people start up these threads and instantly start bashing God, Jesus, the Bible, Christians, or other religions... I figured I'd come in and try to bat for the other side if the discussion stayed civil, but it has not.
So now I am forced to ask:
What makes you such wonderful and amazing people if you spend your time attacking where such attack is not warranted? Have I started any threads that right off began attacking non-Christians? Honestly though? You call this fair, just, right, good, honest, intellectual, entertaining or is it just fun, fun to cause harm just like others have harmed you in your days and brought you to this forum? All you have shown me so far is that Atheists are a narrow-minded hate group. There is no seeking for greater knowledge, no expanding your horizons or searching for truth or understanding... so far most of what I have seen is the merely the propagation of hatred. I have no will to partake in hate mongering.
The very thing that drives many people to these forums on a different level is that they are being attacked, belittled, hurt, insulted, ostracized to one degree or another... and what I see here is no different at all. It makes me think of the little boy that grows up being beaten... then he grows up and marries and goes and does the same... thus hatred lives and thrives.
I am ashamed that I even put posts into this thread that just seeks to ridicule, cause harm and hurt to others, so this will be my last post under this topic.
Say what you will, bash who you will, hate as much as you like,
Goad me and persecute me to your hearts desire...
Rage, and with unchecked fury, spite, and cruel laughter let fly your true colours. I won't say another word herein, for in all honesty, I have no need or want.
Lost in the Oilfield said:
Lost, I don't think that's anyone's intention. Everyone has strong feelings when it comes to religion and politics. Don't personalize it.
If we were to really talk about religion this thread would go on forever and we would all be arguing. For instance, the Christian bible was formed for political reasons: it was "de-jewed" intentionally and considering the fact that Jesus and the first Christians were Jewish I find that quite interesting. Jesus was a rabbi and was called so and was probably married because in the Jewish religion rabbi are always married.
The Quran was compiled while Mohammed was alive but despite the fact that the books says that no other source shall be followed Muslims insist on following the sunah which are the compiled second and third hand acccounts of the prophet that were written three hundred years after the prophets death and against his wishes.
I could go on and on and in the end there will be people who on either sides. I think what counts most is what's in someone's heart. I respect people more for being humanists than being good because of fear of some deity.
But, once again, that's my opinion and I would still sit down at a table with any religious person so long as they let my gay pastor come.
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