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Oceanmist23 said:
Is it just me or does anyone else think that the word "hate" is overused and in most cases wrongly used? (no offence silverblackvoid :p)
First off I'll say that I certainly don't like anything that truly is fake. When it comes to people with lots of friends I could never say that I hate them, I mean why should I? They haven't done anything wrong to me or anyone else. Do I get jealous of them? Yes it happens, and I think this is what many people feel too? I would love to have lots of friends, genuine honest friends who will be there for me just like I'll be there for them.
Hate is a pretty strong word and an even stronger feeling. Genuinely hating someone or something takes up A LOT of energy, and for what? What good does it do anyone to spend so much time and energy on hate? Doesn't it just make you even more sad, angry, depressed and bitter? If you want happiness in your life you certainly won't get it by hating anyone or anything.
I used to say that I hated my grandma. To this day I still think she's a bad person for all the honeysuckle she's thrown at everyone in my family through the years. But I don't hate her. I don't like hating cos it doesn't make me a better person. And I'm not going to allow a person I dislike to make me have such negative feelings as hate.
And that's another thing. I think quite often people will use the word "hate" when their true feeling is something else such as jealousy or that they have different opinions and beliefs from other people.
For me it would take something incredibly serious (if anything) for me to genuinely hate someone/something, because it's such a waste of time that could be spent on happier things.
As for people I dislike for the bad things they've done I choose to be around them as little as possible and think about them as little as possible. By being around them I would just be throwing gasoline on the fire for the both of us, if you know what I mean...

Hating makes you miserable. Loving makes you happy.

Does this make sense to anyone?

my eyes hurt
 
silverblackvoid_ll said:
generally i hate most of the people that i know. going to clubs and parties will only intensify the problems.

clubs and parties are awesome :D

i am usually pretty lonely at home and i dont always have people over, but when i go to parties i like to be the center of attention :D most parties for me are confidence boosters.
 
Oceanmist23 said:
Is it just me or does anyone else think that the word "hate" is overused and in most cases wrongly used? (no offence silverblackvoid :p)
First off I'll say that I certainly don't like anything that truly is fake. When it comes to people with lots of friends I could never say that I hate them, I mean why should I? They haven't done anything wrong to me or anyone else. Do I get jealous of them? Yes it happens, and I think this is what many people feel too? I would love to have lots of friends, genuine honest friends who will be there for me just like I'll be there for them.
Hate is a pretty strong word and an even stronger feeling. Genuinely hating someone or something takes up A LOT of energy, and for what? What good does it do anyone to spend so much time and energy on hate? Doesn't it just make you even more sad, angry, depressed and bitter? If you want happiness in your life you certainly won't get it by hating anyone or anything.
I used to say that I hated my grandma. To this day I still think she's a bad person for all the honeysuckle she's thrown at everyone in my family through the years. But I don't hate her. I don't like hating cos it doesn't make me a better person. And I'm not going to allow a person I dislike to make me have such negative feelings as hate.
And that's another thing. I think quite often people will use the word "hate" when their true feeling is something else such as jealousy or that they have different opinions and beliefs from other people.
For me it would take something incredibly serious (if anything) for me to genuinely hate someone/something, because it's such a waste of time that could be spent on happier things.
As for people I dislike for the bad things they've done I choose to be around them as little as possible and think about them as little as possible. By being around them I would just be throwing gasoline on the fire for the both of us, if you know what I mean...

Hating makes you miserable. Loving makes you happy.

Does this make sense to anyone?

I agree with you - we say hate when we mean dislike too often (and I am guilty of this as well).
 
Porman said:
You cannot hate people for having friends, by doing so your choosing to never have friends. Instead of standing on the outside, get in there, become apart of the group.

true enough. i've been through that whole hating those peeps who befriends with almost everyone, the whole popularity thing issue, the mr/ms know it all etc...

just then i realize that maybe i dont hate them at all...maybe i was just insecure of them. that they have more friends than me, that they're just really more knowledgeable than me, or they just had those natural charms to the extent that everyone wants to befriend them...

and this is the point where i've known that the insecurity that slowly creeps me up inside has to STOP. that "Instead of standing on the outside, I have to get in there, and become apart of the group."
 
Oceanmist23 said:
Is it just me or does anyone else think that the word "hate" is overused and in most cases wrongly used? (no offence silverblackvoid :p)
First off I'll say that I certainly don't like anything that truly is fake. When it comes to people with lots of friends I could never say that I hate them, I mean why should I? They haven't done anything wrong to me or anyone else. Do I get jealous of them? Yes it happens, and I At think this is what many people feel too? I would love to have lots of friends, genuine honest friends who will be there for me just like I'll be there for them.
Hate is a pretty strong word and an even stronger feeling. Genuinely hating someone or something takes up A LOT of energy, and for what? What good does it do anyone to spend so much time and energy on hate? Doesn't it just make you even more sad, angry, depressed and bitter? If you want happiness in your life you certainly won't get it by hating anyone or anything.
I used to say that I hated my grandma. To this day I still think she's a bad person for all the honeysuckle she's thrown at everyone in my family through the years. But I don't hate her. I don't like hating cos it doesn't make me a better person. And I'm not going to allow a person I dislike to make me have such negative feelings as hate.
And that's another thing. I think quite often people will use the word "hate" when their true feeling is something else such as jealousy or that they have different opinions and beliefs from other people.
For me it would take something incredibly serious (if anything) for me to genuinely hate someone/something, because it's such a waste of time that could be spent on happier things.
As for people I dislike for the bad things they've done I choose to be around them as little as possible and think about them as little as possible. By being around them I would just be throwing gasoline on the fire for the both of us, if you know what I mean...

Hating makes you miserable. Loving makes you happy.

Does this make sense to anyone?

Personally, hating is about as easy as it gets. Loving is what takes energy.

I love your post and I have the utmost respect to all the points you are making, but I'm sorry to say I can't agree with any of them.

At the end of the day, "hate" and "love" are a matter of pure social agreement, just as all verbal definitions of figures in our sensual comprehension. And IMHO, those two are the shining beackon of those that evolved to conform to standardized perception of what is now held as two elementary human emotions and the level of their misuse in the modern society is second to none.

I don't see anything wrong with saying you love someone. But I don't see anything wrong with saying you have feelings of hatred towards someone else either.

And I don't think there's anything wrong with either because I don't believe either is a decision. I know mine isn't.

People I grew to love (the few that I did) fell into that basket by jumping in, not by me pushing them over.

I guess I don't have to say it was even easier with those on the other side of the spectrum.

Hatred may say a lot about the one that hates, but while it can raise justified questions about his own failures, it can be pretty depictive of the failures of the subject of hate as well.

Generalizations are a great thing until you start to think about them. I am not proud of any of my negative emotions towards anything or anyone. But imposing guilt on victims of others' free choices or random cirumstances and saying their mindset is like a dairy queen with candy to pick from can go beyond just being unpleasant.

I don't believe emotions work outside of our mental capacities. If you are asking me not to hate the 6' 2" that worked me over with a baseball bat for being his ex's new boyfriend, you are not just asking me to go beyond my intellectual reach. You're asking me to overcome my physical capabilities.

Or lie. To myself and the entire world.
 
Hey wah, I found your post quite interesting!

You say that for you hating is easy while loving takes energy.
I would say they both take up a lot of energy, because they're equally powerful, and they're opposites.

The difference is the type of emotions that come along with the two.
With love you have positive emotions. With hate you have negative emotions.
Part of what I was trying to express in my post is that IF you could choose, would you prefer to have negative emotions or positive emotions? Positive emotions can be many things, and one positive emotion is to understand another person's situation.

If you are asking me not to hate the 6' 2" that worked me over with a baseball bat for being his ex's new boyfriend, you are not just asking me to go beyond my intellectual reach. You're asking me to overcome my physical capabilities.

If that happened to me I would be angry for sure, though mostly scared. Those would be my initial reactions. It's human nature to be angry and scared in situations like that. Anything else would be abnormal.
However, I believe that in order to move on with your life in a positive way and be happy and unafraid again, you have to look beyond the actual situation which is the fact that he beat you up. Ask yourself what really led him to treat another human being this way? Surely no person who's had a happy upbringing and good personal life would beat someone up.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not asking you to feel sorry for him or forgive him for what he did. I'm simply saying think about it, and perhaps try to understand the real reason why anyone would do such a thing. This guy's negative actions are the consequences of his negative past. I don't believe for a second he did this to you because he found it amusing and it made him happy.

If you in time can look beyond your hatred and try to understand the real reason why he did this to you, you have the power to not hate any more.

Also, think about this. When people are attacked by bears for example, they don't end up hating bears. Why? Because with animals it's easier for us humans to understand the real reason why we were attacked, and therefore it's easier to not hate. Animals really attack because they're scared, because they're hungry, because we're on they're territory, because they want to protect their kids, and so on. For these real reasons people don't hate an animal that attacked them.

Compare this to humans and you will find that their attack on you is a result of negative happenings in their life. If you can understand that, why would you hate them?

I'm not trying to say feel this and feel that. I just wish for people to be happy, and spend their time on positive things rather than negative.

I understand the real reasons why people in my family are hurting each other psychologically, and that's why I don't spend my time hating them.
I know they're not doing it because they like it. They're doing it because they are suffering for different reasons and therefore can't find it in themselves to be nice to others. I don't hate them. I simply wish they would get to a point where they realise they don't want to spend their life this way, and start to work on overcoming their problems so that maybe they can find happiness again.
 
I love your attitude, Ocean. If there were more like you around, this planet would be a nicer place.

Your take on the roots of human grievance is contageous. But I simply can not agree.

And this is the key part:

Ask yourself what really led him to treat another human being this way? Surely no person who's had a happy upbringing and good personal life would beat someone up.

This guy's negative actions are the consequences of his negative past. I don't believe for a second he did this to you because he found it amusing and it made him happy.

I assure you, more of them that you can even begin to imagine do it for that very reason.

Most psychologists and sociologists agree that when it comes to standard elements of agreesive social behavior and the frequency and intensity of their public outbursts with clear human objective and an unequivocal intention, constant deprivance equals constant statisfaction with no exception or delay.

To make matters worse, recent findings that I happened to come across indicate that between the subjects that come from functional eviroments (usually wealthy households) and those that come from families with a record of continuous diverse negative influences on all stages of the child's development (usually those from the lower part of the social ladder) there is an equal split.

As someone with a decade-long history of school and street bullying, I am a living example that the findings are correct. As a matter of fact, if you'd ask me to try to remember at least one case of the guy having a disfunctional background, it would take me a while.

Agression is not only triggered by lacks. It is equally if not more caused by the lack of lacks. The plentitude and the abundance of wishes fulfilled and the absence of the concept of the opposite.

Once the goal is set, the destination is the only item on the table. The context within which the process will occur is irrelevant if not none-existent. When it's all done, whatever is left behind is its own fault it got in the way.

This is the way the minds of these people work. There's only the target. Nothing else, in between or after.

I'm not talking about physical molestation. I'm not making any specifics here. I'm not talking only about casino owners bating their way to contentment, even if they're the bulk of the whole. I'm talking about the prevailing view of those that I'm not allowed to hate. The only nature behind the violence, in any shape or form.

I am not ashamed of my hatred towards these people. It has nothing to do with what they've done to me. In all honesty, there aren't even that many I can point to in blame from what I am today. It wasn't that bad. Not when we talk about fists at least.

I hate them because it's not my choice. I hate them because they're the ones who one day got the urge to have more than their neighbor because it just felt nice.

Who and what, at the very end, has made our economic today what it is? I'll tell ya, it's not those on the bottom. And as much as their status isn't the excuse for the destructive actions they possess as well, those actions are not the result of how they had it but the logical consequence of what the modern-day slavery has imposed on them to bare and the byproducts of what they are told be grateful to suffer. And still, it is those very people that will be the unsung heroes that come to your rescue in the moment of need.

Emotions don't care about the moral context. They're there whether we invited them over or not. I don't like having hatred for lunch, but it's not my choice. Lying is, and I choose not to. The only thing worse than my hatred is me lying about it.

I understand them. Understanding is the easiest thing in the world. But comprehension doesn't imply excuse, much less ligitimacy.

Nor does it provoke forgiveness. Not in me at least. Forgiveness is not a decision either. I can tell you I forgive you if it'll make you feel better. But the truth is something different, and that truth, I don't feel.

The results of negative actions are rational acts of free will and therefore can not be open for subseqeunt relativization in the name of supposed harmony among men.

Those people don't understand the definition of humanity. They have absolutely no moral scruple and their only merit of life is the level of their own personal pleasure.

They' don't understand what makes us evolved, and in all honetsy they don't act like we are. They have always been treated as the uncrowned kings of Earth and will always act on their birthright.

Yes, it is easy to understand a tiger or a wolf. But humans evolved the last time I checked.

It's not about fisting out the frustration. It's about not seeing anything wrong with it.
 
You know, I had this theory awhile back on why I thought people hated me. My name is 'Nate' which is very close to 'Hate'. So I felt everyone subconsiously hated me. "Hate Nate, Hate Nate, Hate Nate!!!!"
 

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