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ヾ(^▽^)ノ -Chippy

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Would you live in my system?

All new enterprise is funded by the state.

Billy wants to start a shop.

He goes to a board of technocrats that approve his funding.

The profits from Billy's shop are divided between the workers with Bill receiving a higher percent of the profit as a royalty for his idea something low like %5 that could be increased if the workers decided he deserved more.

This would promote equity and encourage people to develop enterprise so they could take the royalty's.

The shop would be free to pick and name brand and price for it's products and who it hired.

Workers who did not have jobs would have to work for their welfare doing jobs building public infrastructure like roads.

F.A.Qs
A:eek:bviously you had no contact with bureaucrats in your life whatsoever at all
Q:The technocrats would have a strict code of contact in favour of the public.

They would only disapprove funding if the idea was pure honeysuckle.

Also I would make local community boards that had funding given to them to plan things like free public transport.

The community (Or suburb in the cities) would vote on idea submitted by the public on what to spend the funds on e.g a park, a free bus.

All new houses would be build with solar panels and be self sufficient with a rooftop rain collection for water as well.

Q: Do you have a military?
A:Military would be dismissed and a squad of peace keeping diplomats would take their place.

Peace treaty would be established with every country possible.

We would take no part in any war and governing of other nations

Q:Billy's shop starts go to really well, generating an enormous revenue. It is divided between the workers and the owner.

Now, these workers do the exact same job as the workers at John's company, but that one isn't doing very well.

This goes on for a few years, and there are some major companies like we have now, hoarding in cash.
Now, a job at this company is very wanted, because you'll earn 100 times more than at John's company, for doing the exact same: Everyone wants to work at Billy's company. The (now wealthy) employed can through their financial power give these jobs to friends/family, creating one big corrupt nation.
A:Your state funding of all new enterprise idea is fucktarded.

This ensure equity and stability. Loan sharks cannot be trusted.

The funding for this new enterprise would come from a "investment tax" if the new enterprise made a profit it some of it would pay back the people who had to pay for it's start up though a "investment tax" they would be continue to be paid this tax till they had it back 2 hold.

If it made a loss DEALWITH.JPG nothing is perfect brah.

Q:But what about loss?
A: No such thing as "loans", "debit" or "credit" in my society.

Therefore it couldn't make a loss all stock would have to be paid for before it was given.

If the enterprise runs out of money then it's bust. Must be reviewed by the technocrats for more funding.

Q: Every guy you employ on roads comes at the cost of a job in the market
This wage will only cover basic living like welfare does.

A: At least they will be creating/working unlike welfare where they get hand outs.

Q: I'm sure workers will deal with it quite well when they find they lose half their pay because some gardenia up top made a wrong decision and the government is socializing the costs.

A: The tax wouldn't have to be that high. It would be dived between the whole population. It would be like 0.01 cents in every dollar.

Q:Therefore almost no growth. All money is debt, a promise of payment. People only trade those bits of paper around so they can get things with them.

A: Lol American style money... We would use a system like Bitcoin, or cash backed by gold/resource.

Q:Yes, but again. It will come at the expense of PRODUCTIVE jobs in the market.|
A:WhatsthisIdon'teven. People would want better jobs then being on a welfare where they had to work. It's better then the current welfare system.
 
Guys can you actually offer any valid arguments or flaws ageist my system? Other then sounding like you just walked out of cold war time USA? :p

allanh said:
sounds like a communist country

No it's not other then the workers sharing in profit it's not. :(
 
ヾ(^▽^)ノ -Chippy said:
Guys can you actually offer any valid arguments or flaws ageist my system? Other then sound like you just walked out of cold war time USA? :p

allanh said:
sounds like a communist country

No it's not other then the workers sharing in profit it's not. :(


Off the top of my head I can think of one valid argument, human nature.
 
condemnedsoul666 said:
Off the top of my head I can think of one valid argument, human nature.

Greed isn't human nature this is a misconception. The current system taught us to be this way.

When everyone's needs are covered they are content. Humans are social creatures who can work for a collective good for the "tribe" or country.

Also if people wanted more they could by joining a company that made higher profit by bettering their skills to get hired similar to the current system. The companies are privately owned by those who work for them. When they leave they give up their share.

The company would benefits and still be competitive because people would want to earn more profit's rather then just "working for the man" like the current system.
 
ヾ(^▽^)ノ -Chippy said:
Humans are social creatures who can work for a collective good for the "tribe" or country.

an example of a successful communist country?

none.

an example of a successful capitalist country?

usa.

if we are going strictly off the evidence at hand, one would have to conclude that capitalism has generated the most advanced and wealthy nation in the history of human existence.
 
I said nothing about greed, you should try to think about what I really meant before we can continue this conversation, or shall I explain it to you? If I have I will but it will only show you to have a narrow minded view on things, and that this whole thing will be at a moot point.

Also, don't eat the lemons, weaponize them and turn the into grenades ;)
 
blackhole said:
an example of a successful communist country?

none.

an example of a successful capitalist country?

usa.

if we are going strictly off the evidence at hand, one would have to conclude that capitalism has generated the most advanced and wealthy nation in the history of human existence.

Ah what now? My system isn't communist.... do you know what that word means man? Nor is it capitalist.

Also not everyone sees the USA as successful.... just look what is going on now..
 
condemnedsoul666 said:
I said nothing about greed, you should try to think about what I really meant before we can continue this conversation, or shall I explain it to you? If I have I will but it will only show you to have a narrow minded view on things, and that this whole thing will be at a moot point.

Also, don't eat the lemons, weaponize them and turn the into grenades ;)

New Zealand has a very small inactive army it maintains security though diplomatic ties and being peaceful.

War is bad unless you are imperialist like the USA.
 
ヾ(^▽^)ノ -Chippy said:
Also not everyone sees the USA as successful.... just look what is going on now..

the problems that are going on now, have to do with government overspending and our push toward socialist policies. other countries, such as china and canada, that have adopted more capitalistic ideals, are outperforming us. kind of sad.

but maybe, grand leader obama will regulate our way to prosperity.
 
blackhole said:
sharing profits = communism

Go to wikipedia now and look up communism. The profits are owned by private citizens in my system. In communism the state OWNS all enterprise.

Plus the royalties system give entrepreneurs insensitive to create enterprise ALL of which is privately owned. :club:
 
So does that mean I have this to you?

Also new zealand and australia, two places i plan to visit in the future, along with japan, germany and possibly russia xD
 
still waiting for an example of economy more successful than capitalist swine america...

and waiting...

and waiting...

and waiting...

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ヾ(^▽^)ノ -Chippy said:
When everyone's needs are covered they are content. Humans are social creatures who can work for a collective good for the "tribe" or country.

The !Kung Bushmen are one of the best examples of a hunter-gathering society that was willing to follow such tenets, but it was only possible in the extremely low population of the community. Both infanticide and suicide/exposure was extensively practiced to control population numbers.

Perhaps it it is telling how pleasant that the hunter-gathering stage is that in less than ten years after their exposure to the modern world, the Bushmen had almost completely abandoned their lifestyle to become a agarian state when people didn't have to kill their babies.

That isn't a lack of greed - that is a survival instinct for dealing with the extreme stress of survival. I don't know where you get your data from, but once humanity moved into chiefdoms and tribes, greed is one of the definining characteristics.

Bride capture is a glorified form of 'kidnap women from other tribes'; chiefdoms practice polygamy and have greater access to food supply; not to mention the fact that even when it works, such societys are genuinely weak at protecting themselves, failing an essential criterium of survival.

The only way to get people to work together is to keep them desperately impoverished against an endless outside force. Any form of surplus will cause competition; and such competition is one of the drivers of the rise of civilization.
 
blackhole said:
still waiting for an example of economy more successful than capitalist swine america...

and waiting...

and waiting...

and waiting...

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You are relating economy to standard of living.

Have a look on the human development index

1.) Norway (Socialist)
2.) Australia (Capitalist)
3.) New Zealand (Semi-socialist)
4.) United States (Capitalist)
 
I meant have to explain this to you, 'this' being human nature.
Psps don't have the best way of typing.
 
ヾ(^▽^)ノ -Chippy said:
blackhole said:
still waiting for an example of economy more successful than capitalist swine america...

and waiting...

and waiting...

and waiting...

...

...

...
You are relating economy to standard of living.

Have a look on the human development index

1.) Norway (Socialist)
2.) Australia (Capitalist)
3.) New Zealand (Semi-socialist)
4.) United States (Capitalist)

i'd have to strongly consider the source of that report and their agenda.
 

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