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Can men and women actually "romantically" bond with each other?
#1
Generally women are even more social than men. After something bad happens a woman quickly rushes to talk to all of her female friends to get support where as a male can isolate himself and grief alone.

I don't believe that romance love between a man and woman exists. I honestly can't see how a man and a woman could actually have a special type of bond with each other. Women tend to be more emotional than men are, and thus bond more with other women in a special way that they can't with men. Men on the other hand are not that emotional, and thus can't bond with other men in a special way.

Like in general women are more comfortable in being around with other women than they are with men. They have a type of bond that usually men with women won't really have, or with men and men. Women are very unique creatures, and tbh women feel a lot safer in general with other women than they do with men if either are alone with each other. I believe it is easier for women to trust other women more than it is to trust a man. Women in general are very sociable with each other, so if something goes wrong they like to speak about it to each other. This is a way to develop trust among women. Women often relate their problems with other women which makes them feel more connected in a way.

There is an old saying that is "girls always have to stick together".

So how can a man and woman have a special type of bond with each other if women have a special type of bond with each other while men don't?

So if what I'm saying is true, then it would explain why so many men and women couples break up or have a divorce in today's society


The friendship of males and females can hardly be as good as a female to female relationship from a woman's point of view.

Also men and women are both mentally and physically different from each other, so that makes it harder for me to see how they could have a special bond with each other.
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#2
Emotional intimacy is different in romantic relationships because the bond is conditional on each party remaining attracted to the other (at least up until middle age). On top of that there are restrictive gender roles at play here. In order to be attractive a man must remain confident and masculine most of the time ( 'hold frame' in PUA/Red Pill speak), which allows him a lot less room to lean on his partner than he might a friend or relative. You'll never be able to trust a partner the same way you could a lifelong friend, it's a different kind of thing.

As for men and women just being platonic friends, we're not so different that it's impossible.
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#3
I don’t necessarily agree. One of my best friends is male. I’ve always been far more comfortable and open with him than I have with any other friend. Yes, most females typically have more open hearted conversations. And yes, that could involve some internal wiring.  But many men are capable of being emotional. And some females don’t enjoy emotionally driven conversations. Society has played a role in these stereotypes but I’d like to think we’ve gotten passed assigning emotional depth at birth.

I wouldn’t be too quick to generalize.

And as far as platonic Vs. romantic relationships go: The male friend I’ve referred to above would be everything I could hope for in a romantic partnership if he was interested. He’s not hyper masculine and very much in touch with our emotional bond. For me it would actually be easier if he was a little more caveman because then maybe I could just be his friend instead of wanting more.
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#4
(07-25-2019, 10:55 AM)ardour Wrote: Emotional intimacy is different in romantic relationships because the bond is conditional on each party remaining attracted to the other (at least up until middle age). On top of that there are restrictive gender roles at play here. In order to be attractive a man must remain confident and masculine most of the time ( 'hold frame' in PUA/Red Pill speak), which allows him a lot less room to lean on his partner than he might a friend or relative. You'll never be able to trust a partner the same way you could a lifelong friend, it's a different kind of thing.

As for men and women just being platonic friends, we're not so different that it's impossible.

Would you just stop with this kind of crap. It's all you ever do, you flock to these threads and constantly take shots at women and cling to your ancient views of masculinity. Knock it off.
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#5
Or just close the thread as usual. Are you ever going to learn anything?
I'm actually David Blane.
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#6
(07-25-2019, 10:40 AM)CactusMonster Wrote: Generally women are even more social than men. After something bad happens a woman quickly rushes to talk to all of her female friends to get support where as a male can isolate himself and grief alone.

I don't believe that romance love between a man and woman exists. I honestly can't see how a man and a woman could actually have a special type of bond with each other. Women tend to be more emotional than men are, and thus bond more with other women in a special way that they can't with men. Men on the other hand are not that emotional, and thus can't bond with other men in a special way.

Like in general women are more comfortable in being around with other women than they are with men. They have a type of bond that usually men with women won't really have, or with men and men. Women are very unique creatures, and tbh women feel a lot safer in general with other women than they do with men if either are alone with each other. I believe it is easier for women to trust other women more than it is to trust a man. Women in general are very sociable with each other, so if something goes wrong they like to speak about it to each other. This is a way to develop trust among women. Women often relate their problems with other women which makes them feel more connected in a way.

There is an old saying that is "girls always have to stick together".

So how can a man and woman have a special type of bond with each other if women have a special type of bond with each other while men don't?

So if what I'm saying is true, then it would explain why so many men and women couples break up or have a divorce in today's society


The friendship of males and females can hardly be as good as a female to female relationship from a woman's point of view.

Also men and women are both mentally and physically different from each other, so that makes it harder for me to see how they could have a special bond with each other.

Bond with them?.

I’ve bonded with lots of people, think they just fancied getting off or a holiday in Majorca.
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#7
(07-25-2019, 10:55 AM)ardour Wrote: Emotional intimacy is different in romantic relationships because the bond is conditional on each party remaining attracted to the other (at least up until middle age). On top of that there are restrictive gender roles at play here. In order to be attractive a man must remain confident and masculine most of the time ( 'hold frame' in PUA/Red Pill speak), which allows him a lot less room to lean on his partner than he might a friend or relative. You'll never be able to trust a partner the same way you could a lifelong friend, it's a different kind of thing.

As for men and women just being platonic friends, we're not so different that it's impossible.

This isn't any kind of hate speech. This is just one person's opinion, shaped by their experiences. This is a viewpoint that someone's life experience might draw them to conclude. Someone else's experience might be different.

I don't see what the problem is here.
At least, I don't see the problem with the post. I see the problem as it relates to other things, which I feel is itself a problem. But that's just me.


(07-25-2019, 02:51 PM)Xpendable Wrote: Or just close the thread as usual. Are you ever going to learn anything?

True that, X.

(07-25-2019, 10:59 AM)Bored Wrote: And as far as platonic Vs. romantic relationships go: The male friend I’ve referred to above would be everything I could hope for in a romantic partnership if he was interested. He’s not hyper masculine and very much in touch with our emotional bond. For me it would actually be easier if he was a little more caveman because then maybe I could just be his friend instead of wanting more.

This is cool and all, but for me and a lot of other guys, this is the exception, not the rule. It's how we wish it could be, but a lot of us have never met or even heard of anyone who feels the same way you do, and have experienced nothing but the opposite. I'm not saying I don't believe you or that this is wrong, just offering a different perspective.
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#8
Do a hitch in the military, and you'll learn a lot about the depth to which we can bond, and with what sorts of people. Adversity may be the best proving ground for all sorts of human tendencies.
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#9
Quote:Can men and women actually "romantically" bond with each other?
NO.

And judging by your entire post, can you see the reality outside the box of stereotypes and black and white thinking? Doesn't look so.
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#10
I have to say I disagree with the original post and that actually the complete opposite may be true.

In my experience, although women chat and socialise etc it's no guarantee that there is actually a strong/deep/trusting friendship there. I've often experienced it in my workplace, the girls get along like a house on fire face to face, but behind each other's backs they say all kinds of catty and unnecessary things. Some women even seem to have a "keep your enemies closer" kind of approach to friendship, where the person they are supposedly close with is in fact some kind of rival.

I'm not saying that women can't have deep friendships, just that an outward appearance of one isn't necessarily a sign of anything deeper.

As for a romantic bond, I can tell you from first hand experience that it is truly possible. My parents have been married since 1960 and they still very much love each other, I'm also happily married and we have a loving and cosy kind of relationship. Please don't discount the possibility of true romantic love and/or friendship with the opposite sex, while it's true that we don't always completely understand each other, the sexes do also massively complement each other when you find people you click with.
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