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I'm willing to touch on a very controversial subject that alot of men have a hard time expressing because of the shame factor. I'm trying my best to express this in a non-derogatory way.

What is life really like for individuals deemed unworthy of love or affection?

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Over the years it's occured to me that there are more and more men out there who could be considered incel or involuntarily celibate. Usually these guys are between ages 20-50 and never had any real experience with the opposite sex, or very little (maybe one relationship in their whole life, that ended, etc.). Usually they are average looking, nice, tall, medium, skinny, but they just can't get a woman in their life. Even if they have a job or try to improve themselves. This is usually when a guy realizes that the problem isn't him, but the way women are programmed, and the way society is, considering all the stereotypes out there, like the 40 year old virgin movies, and the media portrasying men as wimps and women as angels of light that can do no wrong. The only time this topic comes up in the mainstream is when big stuff happens like George Sodini. The guy who killed innocent people, and himself because he couldn't get a woman in his life. Let me tell you a little bit about the shame factor, and how the world is against men.

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If a guy tells people in real life that he's 40 years old and never had a girlfriend in his life because of the way women are and the way society is the response will always be "you need therapy" or "dude, you're a misogynist". Why should a guy have to go to therapy for something that should be a right? IOW it's not their fault that they are suffering. If you've been rejected in the dating scene why should you have to go to therapy when if you went to some other country foreign women might treat you like an actual human being. The shame factor that's used against men is like telling a rape victim or someone who got scammed by the credit card industry they need counseling instead of prosecuting the rapist and going after the company that ripped you off. I used that as an example. If a guy can have a good life in another country and be well liked there but it's the total opposite in his own country then it's obviously not him that has a problem. The problem falls on the society.

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The truth is there's an evil force out there that has manifested itself into people in all of western society. My message to any guy who can feel the shame factor is this, anytime someone shames you for expressing your emotions of how you feel remeber that the whole woman hater dude you gotta have confidence dude you need therapy thing really doesn't make sense. It's just an excuse the sheeple like to throw on guys who are suffering. I'd go as far to say that involuntary celibacy in males or forced celibacy is a taboo subject. It's worse than being a neo-nazi who's a famous hollywood actor. If you went on an internet forum and made a post like this, or you were sitting around a campfire and you told people your thoughts about not being able to meet women all the women would start getting beligerent and all the men would start defending the women. My opinion on why guys will defend a woman's bad behavior is because in their mind they are thinking "wellif I defend her bad actions then I'll get laid and admired, even though I'm living the lonely life too". So they don't care if they sell out. When ultimately, the woman will always go home with the bad boy. 10 men defending her, while she only goes with the bad boy or the alpha. The bottom line is this is a taboo subject. It's probably the most controversial subject in all humanity.

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I'm 20 years old, soon to be 21. I never had any girlfriend or relationship before, nor sex. I never even got the chance to have a girl be a simple friend, that's right. So far not one girl on this earth has truly been a 'friend' to me., or known me and my existance for longer than 2 seconds. Let alone flirting, or anything else. I'm practically no better than a 2 year old kid. I definetly never had a chance. Not exactly from a lack of trying either. I blame myself. I blame certain circumstances that surrounded my life so far. I also blame the entire female gender, for ignoring me my whole life, being so jaded, or shall I say, throwing away the key to happiness. I'm just another one of those lonely dudes who stays up til 2am wondering what if. I think alot of guys do that. Because when you're a guy and you live this type of life, or a similar type of life, at some point it will mess with your psyche and change your views and opinions on the world and other people. At some point it will make you question yourself and your existance. The world don't make sense. Life doesn't make sense. Your life doesn't make sense. It repeats in your mind over and over. Some of you will understand this. It's almost like your mind gets poisoned, it makes you see things differently. You see different paradigms of life. I blame our society too. You guys know the whole deal with that but I can't leave society out. I think men have more of a heart than women ever will. I don't mean to say that in a derogatory way, either. For example, if a guy saw a woman without a boyfriend who desperately wanted one or a husbaned, that guy would always go out of his way to find that girl a husband. But if you turned the situation around and a guy told a woman he was living a life of datelessness because of the way the system is setup, women will just say "it's alright, you'll get through it, someday the right one will come along". Because they think because you're a guy you'll get through it somehow. Women are just so disconnected from mens emotions it's crazy. The lopsided dating scene alone proves that.

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I'm sure most people know how the dating system is rigged against men or certain men while all women have the advantage. There's a huge difference between choosing to be alone and being ostracized for being who you are.

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The PUA industry and "dude you gotta have confidence" is all blue air. You can learn and master all the PUA skills you want, but if a woman doesn't like you from the get go, it's game over for you, and no amount of PUA skills will change that. Basically, you can't create attraction out of thin air. If the woman likes you from the get go, the PUA stuff could only help you, but you can't create anything out of nothing. I could put the PUA industry out of business with that statement alone. I could walk in to a PUA class and say "look, the problem with the dating scene today isn't that men aren't good enough, it's because women are jaded and on and on and on." That's one thing they don't want you to know about. My response to the "dude you gotta have confidence is the same idea, yeah you can have confidence, but you need to get that confidence from something backing you up. You can't make it out of thin air. And once again, if the woman thinks you're ugly, you're basically just an UGLY GUY WITH CONFIDENCE. You can see guys at the gym who have muscles and work out but their faces are mis-shaped and ugly. So in that case what you have is an ugly guy with confidence. Could mental illness be the new form of racism? (particularly in men, who are more prone). Considering all the stigma and stereotypes out there.

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I guess it's like the dark ages. I was thinking about job interviews, and how sometimes people will get weeded out or judged unfairly if they have bad social skills or a mental illness. Online dating itself is a disaster for men. I deleted my POF account weeks ago, I also had an OKcupid account where I would get tons of views but no message. It's fun to use the dating sites though, because it help me prove the points I make. I always get nothing but views, and if I do get a message (1 or less) the girl stop answering or is odd. The response to that might be that I suck at making profiles. But then, you make a fake profile with a random female picture and you get 50 responses in a few hours. Like fake. Or non-genuine. Even if a guy writes huge well thought messages, I think it's because of how jaded women are today and the fact that it's a sausage fest. I made sure I emailed a few who viewed me without messaging a cuss filled farewell letter. If anyone abuses dating sites it's the females who do it. No brainer there. Dare I say the guys like me who are looking not necessarily for sex but to meet and get to know a girl, and build some kind of relationship, you can't even get that on there. Anytime you do get a female who is interested in talking it's usually an obese girl. You could be 6'7" and skinny as fresia (but still be built w/e) and still get nowhere. I'm proof of that. I hate repeating this but I feel better saying it because it's alot better than thinking to yourself maybe it's me that has a problem and not society or women.

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BTW, I do go on rants about all this stuff and contrary to what most of the girls I've talked to tell me (you need confidence, your a loser, stop looking for super models blah blah blah". People like to tell us that we are blaming the world for our problems and while some of it might be our fault, I'm not going to sit here and say the world we live in is all sunshine and roses either. Because it's not. The system is rigged. It's a fact of life. A hard fact of life. I remember when I was 12 and 13 I would imagine about having a girlfriend and thinking it would be an easy thing but eventually it started to dawn on me that women had the advantage. Online dating sites are 100% rigged against us as males. You know what's funny, on plentyoffish this girl once sent me a message but I already know what's going to happen. I don't know if I'm even going to bother sending my own messages out because I know I'll get ignored. Doesn't matter if I write a 2 page letter to the girl introducing myself or even saying hello. The response rate is an absolute 0. I was interested in mostly average girls or girls who are like a 4/5/6 maybe a little chubby or ugly but thin, not super models or celebrity types like everyone accuses me of going after. It's so **** hard to get an AVERAGE or below girl. I just can't believe it. All the average and ugly girls are like extinct and the ones you do run into are either already taken, or they're super picky and have unlimited options. It's nuts. If you have a vagina you do have unlimited options. Especially in countries where feminism is rampant, lopsided gender roles (limited women and too many available men), and of course you have a society that puts one gender (female) on a pedestal so high that we are living in an era where the value or the D/S/R value of a woman is about 100 times more than a guy. You'll hear many women or girls talking about quote on quote being alone, when they have truly no idea what it feels like to be alone. Compare a guy who's 35 and never had a relationship or dated to a girl who's 35 and divorced or had 1 or 2 relationships, and lost her virginity already, or a girl who's 20-35 and never had a boyfriend and still a virgin (BUT had plenty of offers from guys, and have PLENTY of options of available men, but they are just too picky and shallow), that comparison is a no brainer. Sorry ladies. You have no idea what real loneliness is.

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Then you have human nature 101, gender roles, the way the media and hollywood programs people to act and think like the materialism bug. A girl will deny that because she can't have the top 20% of alpha males or bad boys. A girl can find a guy. Any guy easily. As for online dating, well, I'll let the lopsided ratios and everything else speak for itself. Every woman will always have a guy but you could see hundreds of thousands or millions of men all over the western world that will live very lonely lives and almost never find a woman. A 20-25 year old girl who can't find a boyfriend is lying because there's plenty of nice, genuine, average or good looking dudes who never had a girlfriend or date period that would be willing to be with them. They have unlimited options. Women having it easier and everything being rigged against males is a fact of life. Not sexism, misogyny, bitterness or any of that other crap, just telling it like it is. Someone asked me why women who have disabilities like amputated legs, or blindness, or autism, ADD or skin diseases always go for guys who are normal and healthy instead of going after a guy who is just like them. While the guys who have a disability are singled out from ALL women.

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I think there's something happening in our culture women will always have a guy but you could see hundreds of thousands or million of guys that will either have it tougher then nails or will never find a woman! So if a woman has autism or amputated legs, why should she be allowed to have a normal guy to procreate with but a guy who has amputated legs, or deafness, or ADD will not be allowed to get married or procreate? Why are guys exempt? Why is there such an anti-male aura around this? This is actually very truthful. I hate it when people think all of us love-shies or incels or guys who can't meet women just blame women for all our problems. I do in fact agree that men are partly to blame for women having all the choice, power, etc. these days. Not only men, but I think our society in general has put the female up on a pedestal. If the united states economy crashed for real I think some things would change though. The dating scene has gotten so unbalanced that it's led to where every woman will be able to have a guy, but you will see hundreds of thousands of men that will almost never find a woman. So yes, in a nutshell, if men were built just as shallow and selective as women and weren't all pussy whipped pussy beggars things would be alot better. Have you noticed how men need to have a social life, be outgoing, have a job and a car and good looks to get a woman to be attracted but the only thing a female needs is to be herself. She doesn't need to do anything but be a female. Men are totally royally screwed over in this system. I don't think this kind of system can last. I'll always wonder why I'm invisible to women, why I just don't catch their attention. It doesn't matter how I dress or look or act, I just don't exist to them, and I finally realize there's something going on that isn't my fault.

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It's a real problem, it exists, and there needs to be light shed on it. I'm living it, chances are you are too (the lonely guys). I think just being aware of what's against you is SO much more comforting. I can't even imagine how many dateless guys are pulling their hair out looking for answers. My life has taken somewhat of a 180 degree turn this month but the love life issue is still here with me. Yes harp, that's another gripe I have with the world. Like nobody out there is genuine. See I consider myself genuine because I try the best to be real with everyone. If I'm gonna get to know someone I'm not doing it because of materialism or with ulterior motives....I just want to befriend them. I think people in general we all have a dark side or a cruel nature in us. Everybody can be 2 faced, but I think I'm alot more genuine then others.

Like when people claim to be your friends, but you refuse to do something like screw someone over, or hurt someone, they turn on you. I'm turned off by human nature in alot of ways. One day I thought about something I feel like saying to women on dating sites. Something like:

You've ignored me my entire life.

Ever since the beginning of my existance.

No friendship. No politeness. No acknowledgement. Not a word. Not a look. Not a conversation. Not a greeting. Not a shred of interaction or communication.

Just ignorance.

All those rainy days were sad because of you. You show me ignorance. Coldness. Harshness. I am repulsive to you. You hate me. You ignore me no matter what.

I don't exist to you. This is what you tell yourself.

And you still do. Everywhere I go. Every minute, hour and milisecond that goes by.

You've left a permanent scar on me that will never go away, because I don't exist to you. That scar, it's in my psyche. In my mind. In my emotions. You did it. You've ultimately rejected me silently as an entire gender.

I will never forgive you, not because I don't want to, but because the scar you've gave me says so, because you are only 1 of the reasons why my life is miserable, and you are also partly responsible for my social life dying.

That's how I feel sometimes about living this dateless life. Alot of guys do!

There's alot of good videos out there I'd like people to listen to. Alot of these summarize what I'm saying. Take a look and let me know what you think.

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I can relate to the "shame factor". I've said in numerous other threads that preconceived notions about virginity and pressures to have sex fuelled by the media are highly unpleasant and very shallow.

However, I disagree strongly with most of your post.

You put you're 20 year old, have had no relationships and so on...exactly the same here. Yet I have nowhere near the kind of outlook you have here.

I have a "secret" blog in which I unload my very darkest, lowest thoughts, and I still don't come to these kind of conclusions.

You're 20! You're freaking young! You're already jaded with the entire female human gender? Bloody hell. Quite an accomplishment there.

Yes, lots of women out there are shallow, ignorant, expect the world from men for nothing, but lots of guys are the mirror of that too. That doesn't mean everyone is like that.

You, like I, have just finished your teen years. The years of life that are supposed to be awkward and full of immature bullshit. Hell, some people don't grow up until they hit their thirties.

It's a bit early to start despairing about the state of womenkind and lash out that it's all their fault just because you haven't had sex at an early age or whatever - that's normal. Not to mention all these borderline-brainwashing links with opinionated twats spouting off nonsense.

Loneliness sucks, yes. I wish I had a girlfriend right now, yes. Is it because it's impossible to get one that I don't have one? No. Is it the girls' fault? No.

Such negative, one-sided thinking will only take you even further from ever finding a special girl. I don't think many girls are into guys who believe women are the cause of all their personal problems and shortcomings.
 
"The system is rigged. It's a fact of life." Really? And what "system" is this? How is it supposed to be "rigged"? And WHERE are those so-called FACTS? A bunch of opinionated guys on youtube doesn't count as a reliable source, you do know that, right?

"A girl will deny that because she can't have the top 20% of alpha males or bad boys. A girl can find a guy. Any guy easily." Uhm, no. No, no and no. Nothing here is accurate. I'm not denying it because of any alpha male percentage nonsense, but simply because it's wrong. Many girls do not care about "alpha males" or "bad boys". Most girls I know just want to find a normal, nice guy, someone she can talk to and with whom she has something in common. And THAT, my friend, is a fact.

Sure, most girls can probably find a guy. Maybe the gender difference here is that most girls don't want to be with a guy just because he's a guy, with no other compatible qualities. I want someone who feels right for me, and if I can't find that, I would rather be alone. If the gender difference lies in the fact that a guy will be with any girl no matter what, then that is not something a "system" has caused, and it's certainly not the women's fault.

I find it outright ridiculous to read such wild stories about how "easy" girls have it, and that we're all "pick and choose and only want the top alphas", when I KNOW that this is wrong. How do I know this? Well, to start with, I'm a GIRL (or so I thought - based on this bullshit apparently I'm not). I do not consider the dating scene "easy" based on the opinion that I should just accept any random guy who shows interest, even if I don't feel attracted to him.

These "theories" and accusations are nothing but a huge load of bull poo, and being spammed by stupid youtube videos does nothing to change this.

As for the shame thing ... Guess what? Girls have that too! I'm willing to reveal something very private and say that I was a virgin until I was 25 years old, and I was ashamed because of this. I haven't really gotten around much since those few times either, and I'm ashamed because of that, too. How does that bit of information fit into your "facts"?
 
TheSolitaryMan said:
You put you're 20 year old, have had no relationships and so on...exactly the same here. Yet I have nowhere near the kind of outlook you have here.

It's the truth. This kind of life starts out at an early age. A system where women have all the power and say-so just can't survive.

 
firebird85 said:
A system where women have all the power and say-so just can't survive.

Nope, still false. Just thought you should know.

 
Are you guilty of something? Maybe some of the guys you rejected were living this life where they are dateless and now that another guy is confirming it it just hits your inner core? That's another thing people say, people tell me you always go around saying women have it easier and I'm corrupting them by making them realize it but I think they already know they have this power and they know they are the ones causing the problem that's why they get angry when someone brings it up. I just don't see how a system like this can progress with all these lonely guys out there. I hear so many guys out there that don't have girlfriends or never had girlfriends. Uswually they will try to rationalize it by saying "I don't need a woman, they're too much work". You know what he's really saying? He can't get one if his life depended on it. Moswt of the guys who live this life cope with it by rationalizing that it's their fault or whatever. Without doing that they'll go crazy. George sodini is a good example of that. What ultimately needs to be done is women need to step up to the plate and fix this societal problem. The ball is in their court. Like that video says, datelessness is real, only women can change it.
 
Oh ****....

I mentioned about keeping a guilt diary
and some mellon head thought it was a joke...but thats his god **** fualt for being a mindless robot...

Do you how many fucken times Ive wrote GUILT and SHAME are what makes people sicker than a matha???

Guilt and shame are trainned emotional reponse programmed into ya.

Im over 40 and I still get hawt chicks..
Do you know theres women on this site that wants to makes me feel guilty or ashame of this?
 
Well, instead of doing something proactive to better yourself on this beautiful Labor Day you spend god knows how long typing this "rant." I feel it only fair I spend a decent amount of time responding...cue the violins...

The truth is there's an evil force out there that has manifested itself into people in all of western society...If you went on an internet forum and made a post like this, or you were sitting around a campfire and you told people your thoughts about not being able to meet women all the women would start getting beligerent and all the men would start defending the women. My opinion on why guys will defend a woman's bad behavior is because in their mind they are thinking "wellif I defend her bad actions then I'll get laid and admired, even though I'm living the lonely life too". So they don't care if they sell out. When ultimately, the woman will always go home with the bad boy. 10 men defending her, while she only goes with the bad boy or the alpha.

What sort of "society" are you living in??? I've NEVER ONCE observed ANY of this from either gender.

I'm 20 years old, soon to be 21. I never had any girlfriend or relationship before, nor sex. I never even got the chance to have a girl be a simple friend, that's right. So far not one girl on this earth has truly been a 'friend' to me., or known me and my existance for longer than 2 seconds. Let alone flirting, or anything else. I'm practically no better than a 2 year old kid. I definetly never had a chance. Not exactly from a lack of trying either. I blame myself. I blame certain circumstances that surrounded my life so far. I also blame the entire female gender, for ignoring me my whole life

I never had a date at age 21 either. Thank you for letting me know whom to blame for that (i.e., the entire male gender).

I think men have more of a heart than women ever will.

Yeah, my father who abandoned my mom after she had me...he had a MUCH bigger heart than my mom...I remember my 6th grade classroom, half of us had AWOL dads.

...if a guy saw a woman without a boyfriend who desperately wanted one or a husbaned, that guy would always go out of his way to find that girl a husband. But if you turned the situation around and a guy told a woman he was living a life of datelessness because of the way the system is setup, women will just say "it's alright, you'll get through it, someday the right one will come along". Because they think because you're a guy you'll get through it somehow. Women are just so disconnected from mens emotions it's crazy. The lopsided dating scene alone proves that.

Again, What ******* world are you living in??? Tell me specifically where you have seen this behavior. I can attest that NO man has EVER tried to help me find a boyfriend!

I'm sure most people know how the dating system is rigged against men or certain men while all women have the advantage...you make a fake profile with a random female picture and you get 50 responses in a few hours. Like fake. Or non-genuine. Even if a guy writes huge well thought messages, I think it's because of how jaded women are today and the fact that it's a sausage fest.

My match profile that is still active is 100% real, buddy. Where are my 50 emails? I think I've received one in the past year and the guy didn't know how to compose a sentence.

If anyone abuses dating sites it's the females who do it. No brainer there.

How ironic, you referring to an organ you are clearly lacking.

Dare I say the guys like me who are looking not necessarily for sex but to meet and get to know a girl, and build some kind of relationship, you can't even get that on there. Anytime you do get a female who is interested in talking it's usually an obese girl.

Wow...just when I think you can't offend any worse...

Online dating sites are 100% rigged against us as males.

Please see my post #5 here.

I was interested in mostly average girls or girls who are like a 4/5/6 maybe a little chubby or ugly but thin, not super models or celebrity types like everyone accuses me of going after. It's so **** hard to get an AVERAGE or below girl. I just can't believe it. All the average and ugly girls are like extinct and the ones you do run into are either already taken, or they're super picky and have unlimited options.

You sure are putting a lot of importance on looks, aren't ya?

If you have a vagina you do have unlimited options.

Don't even know how to intelligently respond to such an unintelligent comment...

Sorry ladies. You have no idea what real loneliness is.

Okay, let's cut the violin here...I married some jerk overseas after knowing him for two weeks because I was so ******* lonely and thought it was my only chance at having a man. I gave it 7 years until it became obvious he only used me to come to America, so I divorced him. I think I have a pretty **** good idea what loneliness is -- and considering I'm twice your age, probably double the idea.

Not sexism, misogyny, bitterness or any of that other crap, just telling it like it is.

No, it is all three of those. And a LOT of crap.

I think there's something happening in our culture women will always have a guy but you could see hundreds of thousands or million of guys that will either have it tougher then nails or will never find a woman! ...The dating scene has gotten so unbalanced that it's led to where every woman will be able to have a guy,

...um, hello, have you not read the part where I DON'T have a guy --and haven't for the majority of my life???

the only thing a female needs is to be herself. She doesn't need to do anything but be a female.

Yeah and this has gotten me nowhere...that includes match, eharmony, friendfinder, adultfriendfinder, okcupid, datehookup, perfectmatch, chemistry, zoosk...

Ya know, maybe if you posted some specifics about how exactly you were "ignored" by women...like, did you ever actually ask a girl out? how many? What exactly did your online profile say, and most importantly did you have a picture uploaded? But why bother...

Take a look and let me know what you think.

I think you should do us all a favor and get lost. Seriously, you scare me.
 
firebird85 said:
I also blame the entire female gender, for ignoring me my whole life, being so jaded, or shall I say, throwing away the key to happiness.

Are you suggesting you're the key to happiness? And you say that you place "blame" on an entire GENDER because you've been alone so far?
I really wish you could see how absurd that is so your bitterness doesn't continue to grow.

firebird85 said:
Why should a guy have to go to therapy for something that should be a right?

Do you think that you have the "right" to be with someone that doesn't want to be with you? If so, maybe you need to re-examine the way you look at relationships. But, perhaps I misunderstood what you wrote.

firebird85 said:
So if a woman has autism or amputated legs, why should she be allowed to have a normal guy to procreate with but a guy who has amputated legs, or deafness, or ADD will not be allowed to get married or procreate?

Allowed? And who says who is "allowed" to be with someone? I don't recall ever reading any set of rules that prohibits someone (either sex) with disabilities from finding happiness with another person.

I'm not completely unsympathetic to the issue that you've mentioned. But I think that, at the end of the day, one must realize that this falls down to a VERY basic level. Either someone likes you, or they don't. And each person has their own reasons. You can point the finger at society only so much (and yes, I agree with some of that) but to point the finger at an entire gender is folly.
I'm sorry you view things this way and hopefully, at some point in your life, you find someone that will give you the chance you so desperately want.
 
TL;DR but...
In my experience, people that can't find someone to love are usually going after people that are "out of their league" so to say. If you're average and boring, you can't date a supermodel, sorry. Same goes for the girl that doesn't look like a supermodel, if you target people that will not be interested in you, get used to being lonely. If there are these average looking guys that are medium or skinny build that are young, I KNOW there are ladies just as lonely and average who are looking for a nice guy to love. Get over yourself.
 
Nope. There's me and millions of other men who don't care about a woman's looks or money or social skills. Men are the desperate ones. It's women who are the shallow ones. That's another reason I said men have more of a heart. We aren't as shallow and we don't push genocide on our opposite sex because they aren't "attractive".
 
firebird85 said:
Are you guilty of something? Maybe some of the guys you rejected were living this life where they are dateless and now that another guy is confirming it it just hits your inner core?
Hmm ... How can I put this in a way you might be able to comprehend my answer ...? How about: LOL! Yeah, I'll go with LOL. This is actually so ridiciculous that I can't stop LOLing, now that I've started. I don't care how lonely some of the guys I rejected may be; I won't go on pity dates, and I won't play along just to be nice if I'm not actually interested. That would be cruel.

firebird85 said:
I think they already know they have this power and they know they are the ones causing the problem that's why they get angry when someone brings it up.
It must be difficult to be as confused as you are. The truth is that we don't get angry because we "know that we're causing a problem", but because douchebags like you are spreading sick lies and insane accusations about our gender, which btw has no base in reality. Wouldn't YOU get angry if someone made up stupid stuff about you that wasn't true?

firebird85 said:
What ultimately needs to be done is women need to step up to the plate and fix this societal problem. The ball is in their court. Like that video says, datelessness is real, only women can change it.
OMG, you're totally right. We should definitely step up and, I don't know, maybe even contact guys on online dating sites. Why don't you tell this to the long list of online guys I've messaged without getting a reply?

I know this forum is supposed to be a place where one support each other and play nice and all, but dude; seriously; get a grip, read the answers you're getting, and face the fact that you can't blame your social problems on gender. You're only making a fool of yourself. Also, you're giving me a headache.

P.S. A person (male or female) isn't "shallow" just because thay want to be with someone they connect with instead of just anybody. Huge difference. Learn it.
 
Equinox said:
firebird85 said:
Are you guilty of something? Maybe some of the guys you rejected were living this life where they are dateless and now that another guy is confirming it it just hits your inner core?
Hmm ... How can I put this in a way you might be able to comprehend my answer ...? How about: LOL! Yeah, I'll go with LOL. This is actually so ridiciculous that I can't stop LOLing, now that I've started. I don't care how lonely some of the guys I rejected may be; I won't go on pity dates, and I won't play along just to be nice if I'm not actually interested. That would be cruel.

firebird85 said:
I think they already know they have this power and they know they are the ones causing the problem that's why they get angry when someone brings it up.
It must be difficult to be as confused as you are. The truth is that we don't get angry because we "know that we're causing a problem", but because douchebags like you are spreading sick lies and insane accusations about our gender, which btw has no base in reality. Wouldn't YOU get angry if someone made up stupid stuff about you that wasn't true?

firebird85 said:
What ultimately needs to be done is women need to step up to the plate and fix this societal problem. The ball is in their court. Like that video says, datelessness is real, only women can change it.
OMG, you're totally right. We should definitely step up and, I don't know, maybe even contact guys on online dating sites. Why don't you tell this to the long list of online guys I've messaged without getting a reply?

I know this forum is supposed to be a place where one support each other and play nice and all, but dude; seriously; get a grip, read the answers you're getting, and face the fact that you can't blame your social problems on gender. You're only making a fool of yourself. Also, you're giving me a headache.

P.S. A person (male or female) isn't "shallow" just because thay want to be with someone they connect with instead of just anybody. Huge difference. Learn it.



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Replying to peoples answers by spamming youtube videos that you've already posted earlier, does in no way support your cause, your arguments or you. If you really want people to take you seriously, you should at least give them decent answers, and give some hint that you've actually read and considered their response.

For your own sake, I hope you'll seek help soon. You're clearly in some state of denial, where you're desperate to place blame on someone. I think getting therapy would really help you with some of your problems.
 
Equinox said:
Replying to peoples answers by spamming youtube videos that you've already posted earlier, does in no way support your cause, your arguments or you. If you really want people to take you seriously, you should at least give them decent answers, and give some hint that you've actually read and considered their response.

For your own sake, I hope you'll seek help soon. You're clearly in some state of denial, where you're desperate to place blame on someone. I think getting therapy would really help you with some of your problems.

There's the "you need therapy" excuse

If a guy tells people in real life that he's 40 years old and never had a girlfriend in his life because of the way women are and the way society is the response will always be "you need therapy" or "dude, you're a misogynist". Why should a guy have to go to therapy for something that should be a right? IOW it's not their fault that they are suffering. If you've been rejected in the dating scene why should you have to go to therapy when if you went to some other country foreign women might treat you like an actual human being. The shame factor that's used against men is like telling a rape victim or someone who got scammed by the credit card industry they need counseling instead of prosecuting the rapist and going after the company that ripped you off. I used that as an example. If a guy can have a good life in another country and be well liked there but it's the total opposite in his own country then it's obviously not him that has a problem. The problem falls on the society.
 
Maybe the US is radically different to the UK, but really...the reason responses are so harsh is because this stuff is bollocks. Honestly.

People have said I'm good looking, so I'm reasonably lucky there -I'm happy with my face, I think. I have days where I really think I'm ugly for some reason.

But my physique has always been terrible up until about 8 months ago, when I really started to work on it. You know what? The attitude of girls towards me has not changed a bit, despite some radical changes to my body. Sometimes I see them seemingly interested in my new muscles, but it's not like a switch has been flicked or anything.

Girls are by and large decent, just like guys. I had girls who were friends or romantically interested in me when I was considerably overweight - and they were very pretty, intelligent and kind girls. The only thing that stopped me dating them was my shyness and self-consciousness - ironically something they weren't bothered about.

I also had a few girls bully me when I was younger because I was so polite to them and wouldn't say anything back. These girls were mindless, generally dropped out of secondary school with no grades and got pregnant by the local moron - I guess I had the last laugh :D

If the pleasant sorts of girls are not interested in you, you're either looking in the wrong places, or you're not as friendly and nice as you think you are. Certainly these posts of yours are filled with some very bitter bile that doesn't give a pleasant impression.

I've always preferred intelligent, deeper girls, and they seem to prefer me. Perhaps you're not going for the sophisticated girls? I don't know. But what you're putting across is very biased and pretty offensive.
 
1. There's nothing wrong with having therapy. I recently started going once a week. It really helps with getting things in perspective.
2. If you don't want people to suggest therapy to you, you shouldn't write so passionately about things that are so far away from reality.
3. You're not 40 years old, you've barely come out of your teens. I'd have slightly more sympathy for your bitterness and crazy thoughts if you weren't so young.
4. Rape victims DO need therapy, and this is so that they can lose the shame factor, not gain it.
5. I repeat: There is nothing shameful about therapy. Good luck finding the help you need.
 
TheSolitaryMan said:
Maybe the US is radically different to the UK, but really...the reason responses are so harsh is because this stuff is bollocks. Honestly.

People have said I'm good looking, so I'm reasonably lucky there -I'm happy with my face, I think. I have days where I really think I'm ugly for some reason.

But my physique has always been terrible up until about 8 months ago, when I really started to work on it. You know what? The attitude of girls towards me has not changed a bit, despite some radical changes to my body. Sometimes I see them seemingly interested in my new muscles, but it's not like a switch has been flicked or anything.

Girls are by and large decent, just like guys. I had girls who were friends or romantically interested in me when I was considerably overweight - and they were very pretty, intelligent and kind girls. The only thing that stopped me dating them was my shyness and self-consciousness - ironically something they weren't bothered about.

I also had a few girls bully me when I was younger because I was so polite to them and wouldn't say anything back. These girls were mindless, generally dropped out of secondary school with no grades and got pregnant by the local moron - I guess I had the last laugh :D

If the pleasant sorts of girls are not interested in you, you're either looking in the wrong places, or you're not as friendly and nice as you think you are. Certainly these posts of yours are filled with some very bitter bile that doesn't give a pleasant impression.

I've always preferred intelligent, deeper girls, and they seem to prefer me. Perhaps you're not going for the sophisticated girls? I don't know. But what you're putting across is very biased and pretty offensive.

and what if a guy never had even a girl who was a friend before? what do you think of that? what do you think of a guy who makes a online dating profile and gets no messages? People say I'm good looking and look young for my ageI'm thin, I'm in shape, I'm tall, I'm social with people, I'm not a freak. But for me that ultimately means nothing. Women are jaded today. I don't think people should believe it when other people say they are good looking unless they have the success to match up with it. Otherwise there's something not right.
 
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