Prepping for Future AI Girlfriend

[NoxApex(N/A)]

I'm good.
It creeps me out.
Plus, what if it malfunctions during sex?
That can't be a pleasant experience.

 

[user 139760]

Its like reading Polish to me buttt different strokes for different folks I know guys who dont even mind their women hitting them and everything. They just dont think its a big deal because it doesn't hurt enough to be. But to me theres a principle

Well yeah. Playfully, that's fine. Actually hitting in anger? No. I think the relationship is over at that point, even if no one is brave enough to admit it.
I've been on the receiving end of a toxic relationship once. I never replied in kind. Except once. The day I left her. I still regret it to this day. I should've walked away before then, I just didn't know how.
Are you calling me foreign? You arse!

 

[Cherubino]

Seriously, it feels really dehumanizing to men to suggest sex robots (or sex work) as a 'solution' of any kind to loneliness, perpetuating the stereotype that we're just dumb animals who only feel horniness, like we can't feel genuinely lonely or crave intimacy.

now men can experience how women have felt like back then in the history

 

[Unsigned]

now men can experience how women felt like back then in the history

No.
If you are in the top 10-20% of men (how women perceive men and status, that is) , you get a daily smorgasbord of females.
It's only the rest of us joe schmoes who get "dehumanized".

And most of the 80% of woman who chase after the Chads are "dehumanized" as well...they just don't realize it until they hit 30 or so.

 

[Cherubino]

No.
If you are in the top 10-20% of men (how women perceive men and status, that is) , you get a daily smorgasbord of females.
It's only the rest of us joe schmoes who get "dehumanized".

And most of the 80% of woman who chase after the Chads are "dehumanized" as well...they just don't realize it until they hit 30 or so.

back in the history women were confined into involuntary marriage which could be worse than involuntary celibacy because the male incels at least had the option to resort to paid sex without being slut shamed ... also women from the past were the first beneficiaries of artificial sex (doctors from the Victorian era invented the vibrator to spare their hands from the soreness they got from manually treating women's "hysteria")

 

[TheSkaFish]

Seriously, it feels really dehumanizing to men to suggest sex robots (or sex work) as a 'solution' of any kind to loneliness, perpetuating the stereotype that we're just dumb animals who only feel horniness, like we can't feel genuinely lonely or crave intimacy.

Totally agree. It's like saying you're not good enough to live a normal quality of life, because you're not good enough to even be a normal person. Like you're not even good enough to do what lots of other guys do, who are also not professional athletes, entertainment stars, or CEOs, guys who don't think that interesting or original thoughts and who don't do anything that cool with their lives. It's insulting/degrading as all hell.

I dunno... the idea of physical or emotional "intimacy" with a machine seems inherently degrading.

Yeah, I mean, it's really just porn, only instead of behind a screen it's in the physical world. An AI girlfriend is pretty much just a dedicated porn device, just a computer that looks like a woman instead of looking like a computer. It's not the real experience of being with someone and having a normal life.

 

[Unsigned]

back in the history women were confined into involuntary marriage which could be worse than involuntary celibacy because the male incels at least had the option to resort to paid sex without being slut shamed ... also women from the past were the first beneficiaries of artificial sex (doctors from the Victorian era invented the vibrator to spare their hands from the soreness they got from manually treating women's "hysteria")

You said "dehumanized", not comparing the levels of dehumanization.

I have worked with many people from India, and believe it or not, the consensus (from the conversations I have had) is that arranged marriages fare much better than "love marriages". Because the families of both parties are very much invested in helping the couple have a successful life. I mention this because sometimes "involuntary marriage" is conflated with arranged marriage. IMO they are very different.
An "involuntary marriage", to me, would be like after the fall of Constantinople when the Turks took conquered Byzantine women and girls, and yes, that is horrific. But being "arranged to marry" does not sound very dehumanizing to me at all.

 

[TheSkaFish]

I think AI shouldn’t be humiliating, you just have to turn off your mind a bit and be in the fantasy

That's like what I've been saying though, about how when people suggest either sex work, or AI as a solution to male loneliness, is like suggesting alcohol or drugs as a solution to poverty. That's what drugs do - they turn your mind off to the fact that life is terrible, and allow you to be in the fantasy that you feel good and your life is fine. It's like saying, well, if you're not good enough, you can just rot then. It seems really callous and backwards (not saying YOU are, of course - just this concept in general).

I've never tried hard drugs and I don't plan to, but I've seen videos on YouTube of a place called Kensington Street in Philadelphia. It's where a lot of heroin addicts end up. The impression I always get, is that these are people who have given up on the possibility of life ever being good for them, and have turned to heroin or other drugs instead in order to "accept" a sh*tty life. It allows them to give up on all other wants, and "accept" all kinds of terrible problems and situations, because it fixates all their wants on a single point - the next hit of drugs. It doesn't matter if you're freezing or starving or dirty as long as you can stay too high to care. It's the ultimate distraction or "cope". This is why I hate it when people suggest "acceptance" as a solution to problems, because to me it's no solution at all - it's giving up and resigning yourself to "lousy" as being as good as your life is going to get. I feel like it's a non-answer.

 

[TheSkaFish]

now men can experience how women have felt like back then in the history

The wrong men are being punished for that though. Regular men are being made a scapegoat for powerful men's sins.
This isn't justice, not by a long shot.

And I d*mn sure don't want to be made to pay for the sins of my enemies.

 

[TheSkaFish]

Yeah, I mean, it's really just porn, only instead of behind a screen it's in the physical world. An AI girlfriend is pretty much just a porn device, just a computer that looks like a woman instead of looking like a computer. It's not the real experience of being with someone and having a normal life.

That gives me an idea though...if an AI girlfriend is a computer, but also a person, then perhaps instead of using it as a girlfriend, it can be "me" at work - they can go to work in my place, and free me up to live my life...

Maybe we're just looking at this the wrong way!

 

[Cherubino]

You said "dehumanized", not comparing the levels of dehumanization.

I have worked with many people from India, and believe it or not, the consensus (from the conversations I have had) is that arranged marriages fare much better than "love marriages". Because the families of both parties are very much invested in helping the couple have a successful life. I mention this because sometimes "involuntary marriage" is conflated with arranged marriage. IMO they are very different.
An "involuntary marriage", to me, would be like after the fall of Constantinople when the Turks took conquered Byzantine women and girls, and yes, that is horrific. But being "arranged to marry" does not sound very demunizing to me at all.

It happens for me too to have closely acquainted on the Internet with two Indian girls in their late 30s, one is from Kolkata, the other born and raised in US ... the first one is a virgin and also very tormented by the social shame of being unmarried (and upon her family) while the other one can have sex any time she wants and don't care about this status

 

[Cherubino]

The wrong men are being punished for that though. Regular men are being made a scapegoat for powerful men's sins.
This isn't justice, not by a long shot.

And I d*mn sure don't want to be made to pay for the sins of my enemies.

I said men "can" (like in "it may happen to") experience how it was back then for females but unlike those times they also "can" to not experience it because the situation is far more different nowadays when people have much more power over their destiny due to the social and scientific progress

 

[TheSkaFish]

I said men "can" (like in "it may happen to") experience how it was back then for females but unlike those time they also "can" to not experience it because the situation is far more different nowadays when people have much more power over their destiny due to the social and scientific progress

I sort of see what you mean.
At the same time, it begs the question - do we really have power over our destinies?
Or are our genes our destinies?

It's hard to play the male gender role of protector/provider, to impress/interest/excite/entertain/charm a woman, if you don't have the genes to be good at the right skills, to process the right knowledge and complexity, and to have the mind that thinks the right thoughts and ideas, and feels the right feelings, and sees things in the right way, to do it.

Or I'm wrong about that. I don't know.

 

[Cherubino]

I think social progress and gender equality made our roles (male-female) so much easier ... you don't need to have any "swords or pistols" abilities like in the past nor they need any "cook&clean" skills ... all we have to do is to be reasonably functional according to the current society demands ... like being hygienic, have a certain work ethics, average health and self care, stuff like this ... the best skill is to place yourself and play the game in the right league, not higher nor lower

 

[Unsigned]

Only speaking for myself and my own circumstances:

to play the male gender role of protector/provider

This part is very easy. Just have to concentrate on learning and using a marketable skill.
But IMO it does not matter at all anymore other than what you can afford in your own personal life (ie...it won't "get girls").

to impress/interest/excite/entertain/charm a woman

For me this part is downright impossible and unachievable. And I think many things goes into the reason for that.
- Upbringing and the amount of mentoring received when young
- Cumulative experiences as a child, teen, and young adult. Being accepted and wanted by peers. "Love, admiration and respect" so to speak.
- The amount of work the individual puts in to his own improvement - which is extremely difficult without the first two. For example, a kid who gets dumped on everyday in gym class through 12 years of school probably won't be joining Gold's Gym in his 20s.
- And yes, finally, genetics. Which can be possibly overcome in some areas, but absolutely not in others.

 

[CenotaphGirl]

I sort of see what you mean.
At the same time, it begs the question - do we really have power over our destinies?
Or are our genes our destinies?

It's hard to play the male gender role of protector/provider, to impress/interest/excite/entertain/charm a woman, if you don't have the genes to be good at the right skills, to process the right knowledge and complexity, and to have the mind that thinks the right thoughts and ideas, and feels the right feelings, and sees things in the right way, to do it.

Or I'm wrong about that. I don't know.

Its all about genes Ska but if you admit that then you are labelled an incel or redpilled like I am lol

Truth is if you was born without legs… you wasnt born to be a swimmer… thats the power of genes

 

[user 190541]

Someone suggested (in another thread I think) moving to a poorer country so that your gringo looks and your now hyper-valued currency can give you an edge over other men. While this may seem a bit extreme, I cannot doubt it's effective. Over here, if you're gringo-looking and have a few dollars or euros on your bank account you instantly get to be amongst the top 1% of men. I'm not even gringo-looking, but I'm white and middle class, and that alone is enough to make my life a whole lot easier in that regard.

 

[Cherubino]

Someone suggested (in another thread I think) moving to a poorer country so that your gringo looks and your now hyper-valued currency can give you an edge over other men. While this may seem a bit extreme, I cannot doubt it's effective. Over here, if you're gringo-looking and have a few dollars or euros on your bank account you instantly get to be amongst the top 1% of men. I'm not even gringo-looking, but I'm white and middle class, and that alone is enough to make my life a whole lot easier in that regard.

I get the average monthly pension here and I can spend it on 20 meals like this

 

[Cherubino]

A few things to consider

- Her Name
- Her Core Personality (introverted or extroverted, etc)
- Age, etc

For highest immersion changing core attributes like this after her emergence wouldn't be ideal at all, and she might not even like it.

Back to the thread's main ... if I want an AI clone of say Kate McKinnon would the real one (who's also LGBT) claim copyright grant / payment

 

[user 139760]

I'll have a tall 30 y.o readhead with a smarmy attitude and legs that go on forever.
To go, please.