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Unsigned is not a celebrity and doesn't have a world wide fan base, so it's a different situation.
OK, this thread is going way off course, so I'll try to clarify.
- I only responded about my very rare experiences in cold approaching girls because the other guy seemed to imply I was "bullshirting" him.
- I also only did it the times I was drinking with a bunch of guys and they urged me to do it. I don't do this on my own. In fact, I never even "flirt". It's just not something I do.
- Yes, I know I am not a celebrity. That's why I have always stuck to pay for play, even when I was young, to be with the type of girls I find attractive. I am nothing if not self aware.
- Yes, I am on Seeking (the Sugar Daddy site). I've had an account there for years. But TBH, it's too much work. Even there you really have to talk the girls up. I am not a charmer. Escort services are much easier for someone like me. It's just that they don't help at all in the loneliness department.
 
Brad Pitt is famous, he has more options, simply because the entire world knows who he is. People flock to celebrities. Unsigned is not a celebrity and doesn't have a world wide fan base, so it's a different situation.

That's one reason people find it "gross," but definitely not the only one, there are so many factors involved in a situation like that. And there's a reason I put gross in quotations.

Plenty would have a problem a man his age on paper, certainly, but how people perceive age (subconsciously) is still largely to do with appearances. If this 58 year old approached younger women I doubt he'd be getting ick reactions even if they didn't want to go there.

At least, this is what I tell myself :cautious: Chuando Tan is my cope....
 
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OK, this thread is going way off course, so I'll try to clarify.
- I only responded about my very rare experiences in cold approaching girls because the other guy seemed to imply I was "bullshirting" him.
I suddenly desire to have a T-Shirt with a bull on it, now. And on the odd chance anyone compliments me on my shirt, I can say: "Thnx, I'm glad you like my bullshirt!"

😏

...and the fuc*in' market is cornered already, once again... Back to the imaginary drawing board... :confused:
 
Women in my country have unreal criterias (?) ..... And since I started to hang around with people from other countries online ( girls included there ) , every 4th girl fell in love with me ... XD

So to conclude, there are 4 billion women on this planet , so no , you are not incel, you are just born in wrong country. :D
 
Yeah, I'm an incel by their definition. Although I don't buy the blackpill stuff, the 80/20 rule, the chad only theory, etc.
I'm a 25 yo friendless, virgin who never went on a date and never even asked a girl out 😢🔫
 
Yeah, I'm an incel by their definition. Although I don't buy the blackpill stuff, the 80/20 rule, the chad only theory, etc.
I'm a 25 yo friendless, virgin who never went on a date and never even asked a girl out 😢🔫

If you don't mind me asking, what is it that's kept you from asking a girl out, or even making friends, at your age?
 
If you don't mind me asking, what is it that's kept you from asking a girl out, or even making friends, at your age?
I am a highly inhibited person, I have like an influence over me that prevents me from talking. And other than that I am pretty ******* boring and have a dead personality.
To give you an idea, I onced downloaded tinder, I had a few matches. But I just couldn't keep a conversation going, let alone an interesting one (and this was over chat so I wasn't as inhibited). So, I never got to ask a girl out and no one stucks arounds me to form a friendship.
Anyway, not having friends doesn't weight on me too much, not having a girlfriend does though, a lot.
 
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One thing that I've noticed that's always hurt me in the relationship department, is that I realize that I'm not what a man is supposed to be.

Have you ever noticed that men are especially pushed into either working with math, technology, or tools?
All of that is seen as "man stuff".
It's taken me a while to realize that all of the stuff that's seen as "man stuff", is really "skills stuff". And I've never felt like a skills person. There's never been any skill that's ever seemed right for me, like a natural fit for me, like that's the kind of person I am. I HATE being unskilled, and the frustration, humiliation, powerlessness, and low status that are consequences of it. I DO NOT want to be that kind of person. But I feel like I have no natural strengths either. I feel like I'm not suited to anything. It's been the bane of my existence.

Those are things that men are expected to be good at, and interested in. And I'm just not.
I'm not particularly good at any of those things - in fact math was my weakest subject in school growing up.
I've also tried various things with tech and tools, and it's the same, I have no particular knack for them, like a man is supposed to have instinctively.
Plus I find all that practical stuff to be bone-dry, dense, and dull - I can't get into it, I'm not naturally curious for more knowledge about it, I don't have any natural excitement about it. I feel very "meh" about it instead - indifferent. I'm sure not being naturally good at it is at least partially the problem there, but I just don't have the natural interest/excitement that a lot of guys seem to have naturally, for that kind of stuff. Some guys just LOVE learning computer languages, or learning how to use heavy machinery. They're honestly curious and excited about it. And that's just not me.

But those are what is rewarded in this world (apart from pro sports and A-list entertainment). And not having them makes it hard to play the protector/provider male gender role, and to be impressive/interesting/exciting/entertaining - making it hard to be a man, basically. I've had a hard time being a man because I'm neither good at nor interested in the things that men are supposed to be good at and interested in. It not only hurts the way others see me, but my own confidence and self-esteem as well.
 
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One thing that I've noticed that's always hurt me in the relationship department, is that I realize that I'm not what a man is supposed to be.

Have you ever noticed that men are especially pushed into either working with math, technology, or tools?
All of that is seen as "man stuff".
It's taken me a while to realize that all of the stuff that's seen as "man stuff", is really "skills stuff". And I've never felt like a skills person. There's never been any skill that's ever seemed right for me, like a natural fit for me, like that's the kind of person I am. I HATE being unskilled, and the frustration, humiliation, powerlessness, and low status that are consequences of it. I DO NOT want to be that kind of person. But I feel like I have no natural strengths either. I feel like I'm not suited to anything. It's been the bane of my existence.

Those are things that men are expected to be good at, and interested in. And I'm just not.
I'm not particularly good at any of those things - in fact math was my weakest subject in school growing up.
I've also tried various things with tech and tools, and it's the same, I have no particular knack for them, like a man is supposed to have instinctively.
Plus I find all that practical stuff to be bone-dry, dense, and dull - I can't get into it, I'm not naturally curious for more knowledge about it, I don't have any natural excitement about it. I feel very "meh" about it instead - indifferent. I'm sure not being naturally good at it is at least partially the problem there, but I just don't have the natural interest/excitement that a lot of guys seem to have naturally, for that kind of stuff. Some guys just LOVE learning computer languages, or learning how to use heavy machinery. They're honestly curious and excited about it. And that's just not me.

But those are what is rewarded in this world (apart from pro sports and A-list entertainment). And not having them makes it hard to play the protector/provider male gender role, and to be impressive/interesting/exciting/entertaining - making it hard to be a man, basically. I've had a hard time being a man because I'm neither good at nor interested in the things that men are supposed to be good at and interested in. It not only hurts the way others see me, but my own confidence and self-esteem as well.
I’m going to preface this by saying that I honestly, truly think you are a fantastic guy! You are funny and imaginative and creative, you’ve got a wonderful playful sense of humour, you’re kind and thoughtful, you’re compassionate, you’re a deep thinker, etc, etc. In short, you have so, so many qualities that I and many others value in people.

Maybe that’s why it drives me crazy when you constantly devalue yourself by this line of thinking. So you’re not into tools, technology, math - typical guy stuff - so ******* what?! And who the hell decides what’s typical? Society? I know you have no real love for society as it is, so why do you care so much about torturing yourself with this constant mindset? For the love of all that’s holy, PLEASE try be yourself for once. Quit worrying about who you should be and focus on who you are. What do you love to do? What gets you excited? What are you passionate about? What makes a person interesting/exciting/entertaining/impressive to another is completely individual. It’s more about how you approach life, your passion for whatever you do, that makes another person appealing.

Again, I’m going to reiterate that you are a great guy, Ska! Honestly. I just hate seeing you on this line of thinking, it bothers me so much because I think very highly of you. I wish you would think the same of yourself.
 
One thing that I've noticed that's always hurt me in the relationship department, is that I realize that I'm not what a man is supposed to be.

Have you ever noticed that men are especially pushed into either working with math, technology, or tools?
All of that is seen as "man stuff".
It's taken me a while to realize that all of the stuff that's seen as "man stuff", is really "skills stuff". And I've never felt like a skills person. There's never been any skill that's ever seemed right for me, like a natural fit for me, like that's the kind of person I am. I HATE being unskilled, and the frustration, humiliation, powerlessness, and low status that are consequences of it. I DO NOT want to be that kind of person. But I feel like I have no natural strengths either. I feel like I'm not suited to anything. It's been the bane of my existence.

Those are things that men are expected to be good at, and interested in. And I'm just not.
I'm not particularly good at any of those things - in fact math was my weakest subject in school growing up.
I've also tried various things with tech and tools, and it's the same, I have no particular knack for them, like a man is supposed to have instinctively.
Plus I find all that practical stuff to be bone-dry, dense, and dull - I can't get into it, I'm not naturally curious for more knowledge about it, I don't have any natural excitement about it. I feel very "meh" about it instead - indifferent. I'm sure not being naturally good at it is at least partially the problem there, but I just don't have the natural interest/excitement that a lot of guys seem to have naturally, for that kind of stuff. Some guys just LOVE learning computer languages, or learning how to use heavy machinery. They're honestly curious and excited about it. And that's just not me.

But those are what is rewarded in this world (apart from pro sports and A-list entertainment). And not having them makes it hard to play the protector/provider male gender role, and to be impressive/interesting/exciting/entertaining - making it hard to be a man, basically. I've had a hard time being a man because I'm neither good at nor interested in the things that men are supposed to be good at and interested in. It not only hurts the way others see me, but my own confidence and self-esteem as well.
Ska like Ringwood sez (she's on a roll today) you have so much going for you. You don't have to be 'what a man is supposed to be'. To be attractive means to be yourself. You don't need to be accepted by others, you need to accept yourself. Do the universe a favour, don't hide your magic.
 

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