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I have given up on girls as well. If I try to talk to them usually they walk away before I can even speak. I don't really want sex anymore, which is a very good thing for me. Girls my age have so much experience that I would be to embarrassed to have sexual relations with them anyway. I do have the occasional fantasy but that is usually satisfied by a few minutes of porn :)
 
lonelyloser said:
I have given up on girls as well. If I try to talk to them usually they walk away before I can even speak. I don't really want sex anymore, which is a very good thing for me. Girls my age have so much experience that I would be to embarrassed to have sexual relations with them anyway. I do have the occasional fantasy but that is usually satisfied by a few minutes of porn :)

That is a bit like me. All the girls my age have so much moor experiences that its actually gotten moor scary then when I fist lost my virginity.

I think I would have to be seeing a women for a long time be for I felt comfortable in getting physical. I would never tell any of the ppl I know this. Would be for to embarrassing. Of course I enjoy what I have. But there is no perisher there. As time goes bye this is only going to be moor of a problem. I think if any of us meet the right girl tho it would not be a problem for very long. But the same as you I have difficulty in getting any conversation out of any girl I know. Well, I don't know that many. Non that would be interested in me in that way.
 
I get along quite fine with girls, but seem to be having quite some difficulty moving from the "gets along" to "romantically interested" stage. Being the best friend model really, really does not please me.

Not your best friend,
IO
 
Hmmm this thread intrigues me, this is a topic I have been thinking a lot about lately. As a young woman myself, I have struggled in navigating the modern western world's vast and variable ideas on sexuality, usually unsuccessfully. In general, I do not judge pornography too harshly, I am pretty open-minded about peoples sexual needs and I have seen my fair share of it (yes, girls can watch porn too, haha). Mostly I explored it due to curiosity, there were moments when I found it arousing, but most of it was unappealing, and a lot of it was disturbing, mostly for its awful treatment of women and the ridiculous expectations and misconceptions it creates about female sexuality. As much damage as this industry does (coupled with Hollywood media, pharmaceuticals, and countless unconscious and subversive societal messages) to women, I also believe it to be a double edged sword. The brain is a strange and powerful thing, and just as any other neurological stimulation can be programmed and distorted, so can what we find arousing. For young men, and give me some slack here because I am speculating, but it seems like I hear this idea being reflected in a lot of the above posts, being bombarded with pornographic images as their first real introduction to sex and to females can create a lot of confusion and social problems. A friend once told me that he had a hard time appreciating even very beautiful natural women because he had been hardwired to be aroused by the female bodies of the porn industry. To women, it says that this is what men want and find desirable, and they are incapable of understanding anything else. It seems trite, but as a college student I have witnessed girls play out these exact ideas by simply getting ready for a night out; clothes are selected to bring all focus to their breasts, ass, and crotch and they are usually so inebriated before they even leave the apartment that even if they were to meet a man who was interested in a deeper connection, she would probably be unable to form a sentence. Yes, females want and enjoy sex as much as men do, and it is empowering to feel sexually attractive, but ladies, we are playing a large part in our own objectification. Yeah, we look good, but we have so much more to offer, why not advertise that as well? The problem lies in what I have dubbed the "mental-wall-of-otherness;" both men and woman have stopped relating to each other as human beings and adopted this idea that we are defined by our genitals. Where is the empathy, people? I hate it when I hear things like "I am giving up on women" or "Men only want one thing" blah blah blah. Everyone of us is a human being capable of amazing things, we all have gifts, skills, needs, desires, etc and it is time that we took that back. I think both men and women are to blame for the degradation of sex, which is very sad, because it is a beautiful and powerful thing. Like anything else of value, relationships and sex take time and compassion, and I guess my message to all of you is, please don't give up. I know, it seems an odd request, but intimate connection is what it’s all about!!

So, long story short, Snow, I guess I am impressed by your decision to burn your porn. Thanks for sharing your experience!
 
i always think this about porn... jenna jameson and her ilk are making millions and living movie star lifestyles by selling dirty films to men. who exactly is being exploited there?? and regarding what you're talkbing about, iwasalover, i reckon concentrating on sex demeans both genders.
 
I'm not at all against porn or any types of sexual expression, but I do think it is sad that a lot of girls became pornstars because of troubled childhoods, rape, etc. Speaking of Jenna J, wasn't she raped as a teenager? However, I think she really turned that one around. It is remarkable how she turned herself into a superstar and a wildly successful entrepreneur. I don't know, I think a lot of new girls breaking into the industry are looking for that kind of fame too. It's a weird thing. Porn, like anything else, is a business. There is always going to be a demand, so why not fulfill it and make some cash? This next statement I'm going to make is controversial, but religion is a business too. Nearly everything in our society is dependent on market forces. I think porn is still so taboo because of, ironically, the Christian ethic of guilt that has been a part of society for centuries. NOT Christianity itself, or Jesus (who would forgive- I mean, look at Mary Magdalene!), but the aftermath of a history of corrupt religious leaders, zealots, and other misguided interpretations of God's will. It was the same kind of close-mindedness we see in Islamic extremists today, who deface statues and torture women who "dare" to exercise their rights. Repressing sexuality is much more sick in my mind than eroticism. But they key here, as with everything in life, is moderation and control. Some people take it too far. There was just a recent story about some guy having sex with a picnic table not far from a school. Or a college basketball player from Princeton rubbing one out in the stacks at the library. Or they guy who ejaculated in a woman's hair at target or walmart (I forget) while she was shopping with her kid. Or, even the church sex scandals. But in general, porn is a healthy teaching tool and much more benign than a lot of other things sexually repressed people do.
 
Burning porn? Think of the trees, man! Think of all those resources that went into bringing you a deliciously beautiful, naked woman straight to your bedroom! It's all fine and dandy, picking on the pornographic industry, but what about the environment, huh? HUH?

Do everybody a favor. Don't burn your porn. Send it to me. You know. For environmental purposes. ;)
 

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